is ellis better than?

TheDeuce · 04-26-2008, 07:07 PM

I understand that picking a DT would make people have flashbacks of Sullivan, but in my opinion, there's absolutely no similarities besides the position. Ellis was a guy who was consistently on the national stage and played up to the hype, unlike Sullivan who came on late in the process. Ellis was a guy who had a very good pro day and an even better performance agains the top talent at the Senior Bowl. People say that Ellis has a great work ethic, something that wasn't one of Sullivan's positives.

SoulStar · 04-26-2008, 07:24 PM

Think people, who do you think was taking on the double teams allowing Rivers to look so good at USC.

Gawdzilla · 04-26-2008, 07:27 PM

Hey folks. Raider fan here!
First off, I'd like to say that you guys are my favorite NFC team. Black and Gold is only behind Black and Silver in my book

I pull for you guys, and I was very happy when you guys got Brees, Bush, and Colston off and running. I know you have some places you can improve, especially on defense, but you guys really have a team you can get excited about now.

My real reason for being here, though, is just to congratulate you on snagging Ellis. He will really improve your DLine, no doubt. He was one of the elite players in this draft, and I think you can look for pro-bowl quality play from him.

Have a good rest of the draft, and for gawd's sake, get some players for your secondary!

See you guys in Week 6!

Saintuary · 04-26-2008, 08:03 PM

What a silly question. The front office wanted a DT, they went out and got one of the best. Can Mckelvin play DT?
nuff said!

CantonLegend · 04-26-2008, 08:35 PM

Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie

I would've preferred LB Keith Rivers. This kid Ellis had better not flop.

thats silly to draft a backup in the first round....keith wouldnt have started over morgan or vilma or even fujita in my mind and ellis will start day one...that makes brian young tradeable?...who knows..while he is not a great DT...he can certainly start on some teams...ellis will no doubt make Will and hollis and even charles grant so much better...not to mention how he will create plays for Vilma who IMO is our best offseason move in years....im very excited for this guys....i am disappointed in settling with tracy porter when we could've moved up 5 spots to pick flowers

BrooksMustGo · 04-26-2008, 10:02 PM

Better play at DT will make our secondary look better. fwiw, I like the Ellis pick better than any corner who came out this year.

Euphoria · 04-27-2008, 06:11 PM

UPGRADE at DT will improve the Defense on many many many levels. Anyone who thinks Rivers should be rated over Ellis needs, well I'll just keep the rest of this statement to myself. The pick here is DT should be a DT and need for this team is DT over a CB. CB will not solve our problems.

BlackandBlue · 04-27-2008, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

UPGRADE at DT will improve the Defense on many many many levels. Anyone who thinks Rivers should be rated over Ellis needs

Therapy? Medication? A post-birth abortion?

FireVenturi · 04-27-2008, 06:25 PM

I see no reason why Ellis wont start on day one. he will replace hollis thomas from day one.

Euphoria · 04-27-2008, 06:41 PM

There is no guessing or speculation... he starts day one. Our DT are older and not as explosive. He's got all of them beat already.

04-26-2008, 07:07 PM	#11
TheDeuce 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,928	Re: is ellis better than? I understand that picking a DT would make people have flashbacks of Sullivan, but in my opinion, there's absolutely no similarities besides the position. Ellis was a guy who was consistently on the national stage and played up to the hype, unlike Sullivan who came on late in the process. Ellis was a guy who had a very good pro day and an even better performance agains the top talent at the Senior Bowl. People say that Ellis has a great work ethic, something that wasn't one of Sullivan's positives.
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04-26-2008, 07:24 PM	#12
SoulStar 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Arlington Tx Posts: 157	Re: is ellis better than? Think people, who do you think was taking on the double teams allowing Rivers to look so good at USC.

04-26-2008, 07:27 PM	#13
Gawdzilla Rookie Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 2	Re: is ellis better than? Hey folks. Raider fan here! First off, I'd like to say that you guys are my favorite NFC team. Black and Gold is only behind Black and Silver in my book I pull for you guys, and I was very happy when you guys got Brees, Bush, and Colston off and running. I know you have some places you can improve, especially on defense, but you guys really have a team you can get excited about now. My real reason for being here, though, is just to congratulate you on snagging Ellis. He will really improve your DLine, no doubt. He was one of the elite players in this draft, and I think you can look for pro-bowl quality play from him. Have a good rest of the draft, and for gawd's sake, get some players for your secondary! See you guys in Week 6!
Gawdzilla Rookie Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 2

04-26-2008, 08:03 PM	#14
Saintuary 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Palm Bay, FL Posts: 198	Re: is ellis better than? What a silly question. The front office wanted a DT, they went out and got one of the best. Can Mckelvin play DT? nuff said!

04-26-2008, 08:35 PM	#15
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: is ellis better than? Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie I would've preferred LB Keith Rivers. This kid Ellis had better not flop. thats silly to draft a backup in the first round....keith wouldnt have started over morgan or vilma or even fujita in my mind and ellis will start day one...that makes brian young tradeable?...who knows..while he is not a great DT...he can certainly start on some teams...ellis will no doubt make Will and hollis and even charles grant so much better...not to mention how he will create plays for Vilma who IMO is our best offseason move in years....im very excited for this guys....i am disappointed in settling with tracy porter when we could've moved up 5 spots to pick flowers
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04-26-2008, 10:02 PM	#16
BrooksMustGo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,762	Re: is ellis better than? Better play at DT will make our secondary look better. fwiw, I like the Ellis pick better than any corner who came out this year.

04-27-2008, 06:11 PM	#17
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: is ellis better than? UPGRADE at DT will improve the Defense on many many many levels. Anyone who thinks Rivers should be rated over Ellis needs, well I'll just keep the rest of this statement to myself. The pick here is DT should be a DT and need for this team is DT over a CB. CB will not solve our problems.

04-27-2008, 06:23 PM	#18
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	Re: is ellis better than? Originally Posted by Euphoria UPGRADE at DT will improve the Defense on many many many levels. Anyone who thinks Rivers should be rated over Ellis needs Therapy? Medication? A post-birth abortion?

04-27-2008, 06:25 PM	#19
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	Re: is ellis better than? I see no reason why Ellis wont start on day one. he will replace hollis thomas from day one.

04-27-2008, 06:41 PM	#20
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: is ellis better than? There is no guessing or speculation... he starts day one. Our DT are older and not as explosive. He's got all of them beat already.