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lol yeah it was in response to his quote it is al in the reflexes. lolol

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Its all in the reflexes.


nothing or double.

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If he doesn't see a down all year then that would mean that we had one hell of a year and Sedrick Ellis will hands down win Rookie of the year, because if Ellis's impact is so meaningful that Porter is strictly returning punts(he also doubles as pr/kr), and we are winning with MM, Young, David, and Gay then Ellis will have made the difference.


But anyway, How can you say he doesn't fit in to our secondary. He is not as physical-we don't need him to be. He specializes in man coverage where he blankets recievers making it hard for them to catch passes. We don't need him for run support. He is a speed demon that specializes in man coverage-he is exactly what we need.

The other thing you mentioned was that the reason we didn't pickup Flowers was because we were waiting for the giants to respond to the Shockey trade. The Saints new that The Shockey Trade wasn't gonna happen before the draft. The Giants wanted a first round pick. So we knew what was going on. Porter wasn't a pick we just through out at the last second. Or you so set on Shockey that you would give up Ellis-that's what the Giants wanted a number 1.

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Porter >>> Flowers. I promise you he is better for our defense. Flowers absolutely brings the noise (YES) but Porter is exactly the man 2 man guy we need. He has tremendous change of direction and speed. He can be a starter. Especially if JD keeps getting burned.. Gay can play nickel and it all depends of McKenzie's health.. I like Usama Young but Porter is better.

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I just don't understand why we signed Aaron Glenn..

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I'm very happy. I said the Saints were looking at Porter along time ago. I was right. LOL

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he might not be there in the end ya know

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smart man mr qbrees9. they definitely knew what the were doing all along.

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what perfect way to mentor young corners but to get a veteran in the for training camp. You got a vet in training camp because Mckenzie might not be ready. Glenn would have to do some amazing things like returning kicks to make this team now.

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You know what else made me smile a little today-Carolina getting Stewart and not Mendenhall. I wouldn't like to face Mendenhall 2wice a year.

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Disappointed? Not in the least! I'm thrilled!

The Saints got it right. They got the stud DT they needed. They got some help in the secondary. And they didn't spend any capital on offensive players on the first day.

A definite 'A' draft so far. All smiles from... :D:D:D:D:D

SFIAH

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Aaron Glenn is a great pickup; why?

First, he gives you flexibility by allowing Randall Gay, who can also play Safety, to move around in the Backfield.

Second, while he is not the top flight physical talent, he's a veteran who gives peace of mind considering Jason David's first season trying to adjust to a different team as well as McKenzie missing training camp with his knee injury...

Third, he's a playmaker; you can't coach playmaking, no matter how many times Farmer Fran simulates a fumble on the ground yellin' "Getet Getet Getet"

What bothers me is that we don't have that high round third to grab some very good DT's still hanging around in R3...

R4 pick should turn out to be an excellent deal for Vilma; always liked Vilma...

Maybe we can package remaining picks and still make some noise...

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Oh by no means was I knocking Glenn. I just wanted to know why we signed him. I understand. I agree I hope we can package the rest and somehow get a late 3rd rounder maybe.. We don't really need a lot of quantity.. just quality altho I wonder how far Highsmith will drop.. any chance to 5th round? Ha..

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I think Porter will start ahead of Young. We used a LOT of smoke and mirrors to get this kid. He fits our D like a glove. I am very excited. DBREES, I think that were dead on that we have been watching this kid for a while. I think Flowers is very talented but Porter is the fit.

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Not for me I alway thoughts Stewart was better than Mendenhall infact I think Stewart will be better than mcfadden.

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I know I'm late to this party.

Marcellus Wiley, former pro bowl defensive end and current ESPN analyst made this observation this week:

That's what Ellis is going to do for us next season. An athletic DT is going to push the pocket and create opportunities for the ends to get to the QB. Hurries and sacks will make opposing QBs rush passes. There will be less balls going over the secondary's head.

Sacks will be up. Opposing teams YPC and completion percentage will be down, and yes the run game will be better too.

I see a defense jumping from 26th into the low teens, maybe even into the top 10.

It will be a sight to behold.

If you want to see what I'm talking about go and take a peek at the pass defense for Denver and San Francisco last year. Each spent a ton of money on top flight secondaries.


Today's draft was wonderful.

SFIAH

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mendenhall is such a bruiser, it just seems like tackling him 30 times would definitely make Dan Morgan's head explode.

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yep. look at the giant's secondary-very vanila and average, but their defensive line-fast and strong=average secondary is made above average by good d line.

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Porter has what Flowers does not; SIZE and SPEED!
5107, 186, 4.33 Vs. 5096, 189, 4.58
add another 4 inches on the vert. jump 30 Vs. 34 and thats big.
porter is stronger 18 reps vs. 14 reps.
Production in college was good for both CBs. Flowers lives for the knock out hit. That is going to hurt him in the nfl.
Tackling is all about attitude and can be taught. Both need coaching in this area.

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Just a quick point. Last year our DB's did not have problem talking and helping on the run. It is Harper, Bullock, and Crafts best trait. MM is a great tackler and even Jason David was really good. The problem was that we couldn't tackle the WRs who were behind us. We got beat on so many big plays not because or DBs couldn't tackle, but because they couldn't cover.

Porter is a great man to man cover guy. Seems to me this was exactly what we needed.

On top of that he is a good returner. Very happy with both the picks.

Manadrew

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If Flowers goes for a knockout blow on receivers like colston, t.o.-he will be eating spagetti through a straw. This isn't the ACC

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manadrew-your right our problem is we get burned. we need a blanket man corner. That's exactly what we got. He doubles as a proven Kick Returner.

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I can think of plenty of top CBs that aren't extremely physical. It really just depends on the style of CB they happen to be, although I think that any young CB with comparable measurables to Tracy Porter will come in and have some concerns like that, but I don't read too much into it.

This is why I've been talking about all along. We've been saying that all we really need is a better defensive line to get pressure on the QB, but that doesn't fix the problem completely. You have to have good CBs that fit your scheme, and Tracy Porter is that guy. Usama will be that guy. Now we're set imo.

Just for kicks, lets look at the top 5 pass defenses last year and check out how they pressured the quarterback.

1.) Tampa Bay -- Tampa Bay had not only a solid pass rush, but they have capable CBs. These things go hand in hand, and its why Tampa Bay was so good against the pass.

2.) Indianapolis -- Indy has a great pass rush, and a good secondary.

3.) Pittsburgh -- The Steelers have pass rushing LBs as well as solid DEs, combined with their average CBs is good enough for a top 5 against he pass ranking.

4.) Miami -- Miami has a solid pass rush large in part due to Jason Taylor, and young, active cornerbacks. They were the worst team in Football last year, but not because they couldn't stop the pass. This is a prime example of a bad team thats good against the pass because of a premier DE.

5.) Kansas City -- Read Miami. Jared Allen averages over 1 sack per game he played in last year and was constantly harassing the QB. Textbook example here.

30.) New Orleans -- in 2007 the Saints had an average DL with old, passive DTs and DEs who played through injury and never could get anything started, due to the lack of help from the middle of the field (DT). With no pass rush on the QB and mediocre CBs who didn't tackle well, combined with passive LBs who also didn't get to the QB, and you have a recipe for disaster.

this year we upgraded our pass rush by miles, and have CBs maturing into bigger roles. I smell success.

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We got exactly what we needed. More pressure on the QB, help in the secondary.
I don't think you can say that all you need is a dline, if that was the case I would've tried to unseat David last year. Your corner's must fit your system. I think we will see a completely revamped D.

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these corners (McKenzie/Usama/Porter) all are going to fit our system or already do, and our pass rush is going to be stellar compared to last year.

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i think the 2nd wasnt a great pick but it was "ok". i dont think he will have that big of an impact this year as a CB but he could definetly be our KR and PR. i think will see a lil playing time as a CB but probably only a few plays at the end of a few games.. even tho we dont have the best corners in the world... they all have experience and that makes a world of difference.. Porter isnt going to come in and be our nickle.. he will likely be our gunner on special teams, just like usama did last year...

that being said, i think its a pretty good pick for the future of the franchise, but for me i would have rathered the instant upgrade at TE with shockey.. we are really close to being one of the best teams in the NFC all around and he would have made a big impact on offense THIS YEAR while porter likely wont have any impact at all on this season..

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haha while i've slept off my disappointment...and thought about it...porter will fit us...i still dont think he'll start in front of young because i think usama was a great pickup last year....i still give us a C+ grade because there were better CBs....I actually like ellis better than dorsey.....i think he fits our D better....i am happy to get my first thread over 5 pages tho lol...that was a goal...thanks guys

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Ha ha ha ha ha what?????

What better cornerbacks do you think we could have taken? The next cornerback was taken with the 4th to last pick in the second round. Obviously there was a gap between Porter and the next best cornerback (Patrick Lee of Auburn). I think that they took the best corner on the board at the time.

And I'm sorry but there's no way that Dorsey is better than Ellis. If you watched Dorsey when he was healthy you'd know he was the best defensive player in the country, hands down.

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Sedrick isn't as good as Dorsey, but he's damn good.

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True, I'm not arguing that point at all. Ellis is a beast and I couldn't be happier with him being in black and gold. The future is bright! Imagine this starting DLine: Charles Grant, Hollis Thomas, Sedrick Ellis, Will Smith. Then mix in Bryan Young and DeMario Pressley. Booyah.

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then don't forget McCray :D.

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A perfect world would have this D-Line letting opposing QB's get a good look at the roof of the Dome all day from their backs.

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Porter is strictly a man cover corner, which is what we need. If he is a liability in the running game, so be it. I rather have a corner that is an asset in the passing game and liability in the running game than the other way around. Flowers is a slow cover two corner, wouldnt fit our system.

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I like the picks. I think we'd be better off in the short run with Shockey on the roster than any CB in the draft. Just my two cents on that.

I am however confused about people thinking this or that player is "a better fit" for our team. This sounds strange to me. We have NFL coaches right? These guys are supposed to design systems that fit the players (now that doesn't always work out, but that is their job). This is why whether or not you draft for need or BPA, you pick the best player you can - not the most "fit" player. That would just be odd.

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listen...i never said dorsey is better than ellis...go back and read my post bro...i said i like ellis better...we dont have that really strong DT....while dorsey is overall better....there is not question who is stronger....ellis has one of the strongest upper bodies in the draft

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I think the problem may have been the ambiguity in the word "strong". One of you meant strength (as in bench press, for example), the other strong (as in overall quality of player, for example).

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perhaps :)

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You can keep the upper body strength. I want some explosiveness off the line of scrimmage. You can't coach speed. Anyone can hit the weight room though.

Hey we didn't end up with Dorsey and the next best player on the board at any position was Ellis. HELL TO THE YEAH you take him. The Saints / D-line coach knows exactly what he is getting and will get that line ready to go. I am happy with it, we got younger and better across the board with that pick.

I'd be careful not to hype Tracey Porter to much though.

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you cant coach speed....thats right and i love dorsey's quickness...i gotta admit tho...ellis' strength is so impressive and it just shows how hard he is willing to work to be a great football player....i cant wait to see how hard he works in the NFL