Has disappointment set in?

CantonLegend · 04-26-2008, 07:45 PM

while just about everyone aggrees that picking up ellis is one of the better moves in the draft....but our second round pick....i dont think theres much we could have done worse...i mean we could've ended up not having one and that might top it.....but we did....so....was it really worth it to wait so long to see if the shockey trade would go through?....and since it didnt we had to settle with a CB with great speed but a very bad tackler to say the least....not only will he struggle with tackling in the NFL...its pretty safe to say hes a liability to have on the field when our opponents are running....i think that it could hurt him because if he starts jumping on play actions he will be no better than fred thomas....i think we should've traded and picked up flowers.....what do u guys think?

D_it_up · 04-26-2008, 07:47 PM

I think that you and only one or two others are totally disappointed with Porter. I'm all for the pick and becoming more so the more I read and see on this kid.

CantonLegend · 04-26-2008, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by D_it_up2

I think that you and only one or two others are totally disappointed with Porter. I'm all for the pick and becoming more so the more I read and see on this kid.

I am disappointed with the pick....i know that the FO wants to make the best moves for the team overall but i really believe we could have picked up brandon flowers in a trade or we could've actually made the trade for shockey...i just think it was a last minute decision and it was more of a fall back than a true pick

WVSaint · 04-26-2008, 07:54 PM

Canton you complained all last week about how we shouldnt go DT in the first and go with a CB. after not addressing the CB position in the first, how can you complain about the porter pick? he was the best CB on the board at #40.

CantonLegend · 04-26-2008, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by WVSaint

Canton you complained all last week about how we shouldnt go DT in the first and go with a CB. after not addressing the CB position in the first, how can you complain about the porter pick? he was the best CB on the board at #40.

you're exactly right....i liked ellis...but we need a CB more....i never said i didnt like him....but since we picked up a DT we sacrificed our CB position...now we are at the same place we were last year with our secondary....porter will not start...and will see very limited play time this season....not only that but he wont start in front of Usama Young...i got a bias cuz he's an ohio prospect....but with the addition of randall gay having young in our lineup already we are not going to play porter much at all.....we could've picked up a CB who would start from day 1 much like aaron ross and chris houston and eric wright did last year

D_it_up · 04-26-2008, 07:59 PM

I disagree on your idea that it was a fallback selection. I could have gone either way on the Shockey deal. The TE's we have now are definitely serviceable enough for at least another season. Even though, Shockey could have made our team an offensive juggernaut, it is still going to be one of the most potent in the NFL. We didn't get him, so let's move on.

As far as trading up for Flowers. Who is to say that he was going to be the answer at corner? We can't honestly say that Porter is either, but I'm totally satisfied with the selection. Trading up for Flowers would have meant getting rid of another draft pick. Although it would have been a late-round pick, after Peyton's first draft with the Saints and bringing in players like Evans, Colston, and Usama Young, I am eager to see what direction they go with their picks in the late rounds. Porter seems more like a fit to this defensive system since there is a lot of man-to-man coverage anyways.

CantonLegend · 04-26-2008, 08:04 PM

ur right there isnt much to go on to say who will be a better pro...except for the past....brandon flowers got more hype for a reason...he's a better prospect than porter....i like porters speed but his tackling and size will be an issue....he wont get beat deep but he will definitly not help in the open field

WVSaint · 04-26-2008, 08:05 PM

Im not gonna argue that Flowers wouldve been better, cuz i agree with you. but like D it up said, we wouldve had to give up more picks. we cant keep giving up pick after pick and expect our D to improve. sometimes i think people expect too much from out FO. we desperately need to get younger at both DT and CB and we took steps to do that today without giving up very much at all.

CantonLegend · 04-26-2008, 08:08 PM

when will porter play?....i dont see him getting playing time except on special teams...if hes not gonna play....its a wasted pick...while he has potential....he has more question marks and than he does upsides

winmill1 · 04-26-2008, 08:08 PM

he was the best available cb on the board that fit our system. we don't have many more picks to trade up. I think we did great for what we had.

04-26-2008, 07:45 PM	#1
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Has disappointment set in? while just about everyone aggrees that picking up ellis is one of the better moves in the draft....but our second round pick....i dont think theres much we could have done worse...i mean we could've ended up not having one and that might top it.....but we did....so....was it really worth it to wait so long to see if the shockey trade would go through?....and since it didnt we had to settle with a CB with great speed but a very bad tackler to say the least....not only will he struggle with tackling in the NFL...its pretty safe to say hes a liability to have on the field when our opponents are running....i think that it could hurt him because if he starts jumping on play actions he will be no better than fred thomas....i think we should've traded and picked up flowers.....what do u guys think?
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04-26-2008, 07:47 PM	#2
D_it_up Faqda Falcons Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ruston, Louisiana Posts: 3,465 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Has disappointment set in? I think that you and only one or two others are totally disappointed with Porter. I'm all for the pick and becoming more so the more I read and see on this kid.

04-26-2008, 07:50 PM	#3
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Has disappointment set in? Originally Posted by D_it_up2 I think that you and only one or two others are totally disappointed with Porter. I'm all for the pick and becoming more so the more I read and see on this kid. I am disappointed with the pick....i know that the FO wants to make the best moves for the team overall but i really believe we could have picked up brandon flowers in a trade or we could've actually made the trade for shockey...i just think it was a last minute decision and it was more of a fall back than a true pick

04-26-2008, 07:59 PM	#5
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Has disappointment set in? Originally Posted by WVSaint Canton you complained all last week about how we shouldnt go DT in the first and go with a CB. after not addressing the CB position in the first, how can you complain about the porter pick? he was the best CB on the board at #40. you're exactly right....i liked ellis...but we need a CB more....i never said i didnt like him....but since we picked up a DT we sacrificed our CB position...now we are at the same place we were last year with our secondary....porter will not start...and will see very limited play time this season....not only that but he wont start in front of Usama Young...i got a bias cuz he's an ohio prospect....but with the addition of randall gay having young in our lineup already we are not going to play porter much at all.....we could've picked up a CB who would start from day 1 much like aaron ross and chris houston and eric wright did last year
	"deal with it or you can go play the saints and get trounced by 30 and you won't have to worry about it."-colin cowherd

04-26-2008, 07:59 PM	#6
D_it_up Faqda Falcons Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Ruston, Louisiana Posts: 3,465 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Has disappointment set in? I disagree on your idea that it was a fallback selection. I could have gone either way on the Shockey deal. The TE's we have now are definitely serviceable enough for at least another season. Even though, Shockey could have made our team an offensive juggernaut, it is still going to be one of the most potent in the NFL. We didn't get him, so let's move on. As far as trading up for Flowers. Who is to say that he was going to be the answer at corner? We can't honestly say that Porter is either, but I'm totally satisfied with the selection. Trading up for Flowers would have meant getting rid of another draft pick. Although it would have been a late-round pick, after Peyton's first draft with the Saints and bringing in players like Evans, Colston, and Usama Young, I am eager to see what direction they go with their picks in the late rounds. Porter seems more like a fit to this defensive system since there is a lot of man-to-man coverage anyways.
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04-26-2008, 07:54 PM	#4
WVSaint 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: West Virginia Posts: 807	Re: Has disappointment set in? Canton you complained all last week about how we shouldnt go DT in the first and go with a CB. after not addressing the CB position in the first, how can you complain about the porter pick? he was the best CB on the board at #40.

04-26-2008, 08:04 PM	#7
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Has disappointment set in? ur right there isnt much to go on to say who will be a better pro...except for the past....brandon flowers got more hype for a reason...he's a better prospect than porter....i like porters speed but his tackling and size will be an issue....he wont get beat deep but he will definitly not help in the open field

04-26-2008, 08:05 PM	#8
WVSaint 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: West Virginia Posts: 807	Re: Has disappointment set in? Im not gonna argue that Flowers wouldve been better, cuz i agree with you. but like D it up said, we wouldve had to give up more picks. we cant keep giving up pick after pick and expect our D to improve. sometimes i think people expect too much from out FO. we desperately need to get younger at both DT and CB and we took steps to do that today without giving up very much at all.

04-26-2008, 08:08 PM	#9
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Has disappointment set in? when will porter play?....i dont see him getting playing time except on special teams...if hes not gonna play....its a wasted pick...while he has potential....he has more question marks and than he does upsides

04-26-2008, 08:08 PM	#10
winmill1 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 426	Re: Has disappointment set in? he was the best available cb on the board that fit our system. we don't have many more picks to trade up. I think we did great for what we had.
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