Whats wrong with Brown?

Papa Voodoo · 05-02-2008, 02:19 PM

Shouldn't we be using Brown back at RT and put Streif in at LT?

hagan714 · 05-02-2008, 02:32 PM

Strief to the LT?
Stinch was only resigned to give Bushrod time to develope at LT. Stinch is the odd man out in the big picture, IMO. Next year Brown will be RT and Bushrod will be LT. Stinch will walk as a FA. That leaves strief as our #1 backup at both tackle positions.
What I like about Stief is The fact he gets better each year. I really like him. You never know he may make Brown excellent trade bait.

JKool · 05-02-2008, 04:24 PM

What is wrong with Brown?

He's a good tackle. Sure, he'd be better at RT, but is he so bad at LT?

thesaintsfan · 05-02-2008, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by JKool

What is wrong with Brown?

He's a good tackle. Sure, he'd be better at RT, but is he so bad at LT?

That's exactly what I keep asking myself. Where is all of this Brown talk coming from? I love the guy and I think he's a keystone type player. Maybe I missed something last year.

CantonLegend · 05-03-2008, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by thesaintsfan

That's exactly what I keep asking myself. Where is all of this Brown talk coming from? I love the guy and I think he's a keystone type player. Maybe I missed something last year.

Brown is one of the premier left tackles in the NFC if not the whole NFL....the criticisms started when trade talks started about using him to move up into the #2 spot to land dorsey....our offensive line is not expendable....they gave drew time last year and allowed the fewest sacks in the NFL....since we got rid of faine we had to fix a whole...we brought in matt lehr to do that...our line is back to where it was....dorsey on defense wouldnt fill the void left by Brown missing at LT

gandhi1007 · 05-03-2008, 12:43 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

Brown is one of the premier left tackles in the NFC if not the whole NFL....

What?!?! Brown is average...nothing more at LT. He's strong at RT, but not LT.

Question: What offensive lineman led the Saints in penalties for the last 4 seasons?

Answer: J. Brown

Does a premiere LT lead your team in penalties? Nope. Do the research....though Drew Brees was rarely sacked last year, which side did the majority of those sacks come from? Here's a hint....it wasn't the right. Also....did you notice that the team had more rushing yards up the middle & to the right? Surely, we should have had more yards rushing to the left behind a premiere LT like Brown, right? (Sacasm intended).

Now....I'm all for keeping Brown, but please do not come with the he's a premiere LT BS. He's not. He had one...yes, one Pro Bowl because the Saints made it to the NFC championship game. There were more deserving offensive lineman on our team that year (Evans) that didn't get the invite. Why? What is a right handed QB's most noticed offensive lineman? LT (even if they are not as good as advertised).

Papa Voodoo · 05-02-2008, 04:39 PM

It's from the possible trade up to the #2 spot with the Rams. I think everyone agrees that Brown is a better RT than LT. Streif did well at LT so it seems the line would improve with Streif at LT and Brown at RT. Make Stinch be the back up tackle or put him at LG.

hagan714 · 05-02-2008, 07:02 PM

There is absolutely nothing wrong with Brown. he is a pro bowler. Have a question to ask y'all.

1) If at RT Stnch or Streif can do the job and Bushrod prove to very good LT in the NFL would you think the wise move would be to trade Brown for say a #2 and #5?

Me I say keep him but if you have a player that can step in and do the job you really have to consider doing it. The pick in rounds 2 and 5 would have to in the top 10 though.

MatthewT · 05-02-2008, 09:30 PM

No need to put Brown at RT. Yes, Brown is probably a better RT than a LT, but isn't that true for most guys? The LT is way harder to play. I know Brown had a couple of rough games last year, but he did have some nagging injury issues. With those nagging injuries he probably would have played those couple of games at RT just as bad. Anyway, Brown is a legitimate all pro LT. I do like Streif but Brown is a starter for a reason, that reason is he is simply the better player. I am just happy that the Saints appear to have solid depth on the front line. The Saints should be able to sustain a major injury if it occurs.

Crusader · 05-03-2008, 01:49 AM

The only problem with Brown is that he gets concrete-feet from time to time, he needs to work on his foot quickness to avoid lunging in passpro. Especially against the faster ends.

05-02-2008, 04:24 PM	#3
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Re: who was the steal in our draft? What is wrong with Brown? He's a good tackle. Sure, he'd be better at RT, but is he so bad at LT?

05-02-2008, 04:31 PM	#4
thesaintsfan The Real Deal Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 174	Re: who was the steal in our draft? Originally Posted by JKool What is wrong with Brown? He's a good tackle. Sure, he'd be better at RT, but is he so bad at LT? That's exactly what I keep asking myself. Where is all of this Brown talk coming from? I love the guy and I think he's a keystone type player. Maybe I missed something last year.

05-03-2008, 12:43 PM	#6
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Re: who was the steal in our draft? Originally Posted by CantonLegend Brown is one of the premier left tackles in the NFC if not the whole NFL.... What?!?! Brown is average...nothing more at LT. He's strong at RT, but not LT. Question: What offensive lineman led the Saints in penalties for the last 4 seasons? Answer: J. Brown Does a premiere LT lead your team in penalties? Nope. Do the research....though Drew Brees was rarely sacked last year, which side did the majority of those sacks come from? Here's a hint....it wasn't the right. Also....did you notice that the team had more rushing yards up the middle & to the right? Surely, we should have had more yards rushing to the left behind a premiere LT like Brown, right? (Sacasm intended). Now....I'm all for keeping Brown, but please do not come with the he's a premiere LT BS. He's not. He had one...yes, one Pro Bowl because the Saints made it to the NFC championship game. There were more deserving offensive lineman on our team that year (Evans) that didn't get the invite. Why? What is a right handed QB's most noticed offensive lineman? LT (even if they are not as good as advertised).
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05-02-2008, 04:39 PM	#7
Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,634	Re: who was the steal in our draft? It's from the possible trade up to the #2 spot with the Rams. I think everyone agrees that Brown is a better RT than LT. Streif did well at LT so it seems the line would improve with Streif at LT and Brown at RT. Make Stinch be the back up tackle or put him at LG.

05-02-2008, 07:02 PM	#8
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Whats wrong with Brown? There is absolutely nothing wrong with Brown. he is a pro bowler. Have a question to ask y'all. 1) If at RT Stnch or Streif can do the job and Bushrod prove to very good LT in the NFL would you think the wise move would be to trade Brown for say a #2 and #5? Me I say keep him but if you have a player that can step in and do the job you really have to consider doing it. The pick in rounds 2 and 5 would have to in the top 10 though.

05-02-2008, 02:19 PM	#1
Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,634	Whats wrong with Brown? Shouldn't we be using Brown back at RT and put Streif in at LT?

05-02-2008, 02:32 PM	#2
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	What is wrong with Brown? Strief to the LT? Stinch was only resigned to give Bushrod time to develope at LT. Stinch is the odd man out in the big picture, IMO. Next year Brown will be RT and Bushrod will be LT. Stinch will walk as a FA. That leaves strief as our #1 backup at both tackle positions. What I like about Stief is The fact he gets better each year. I really like him. You never know he may make Brown excellent trade bait.

05-03-2008, 10:14 AM	#5
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: who was the steal in our draft? Originally Posted by thesaintsfan That's exactly what I keep asking myself. Where is all of this Brown talk coming from? I love the guy and I think he's a keystone type player. Maybe I missed something last year. Brown is one of the premier left tackles in the NFC if not the whole NFL....the criticisms started when trade talks started about using him to move up into the #2 spot to land dorsey....our offensive line is not expendable....they gave drew time last year and allowed the fewest sacks in the NFL....since we got rid of faine we had to fix a whole...we brought in matt lehr to do that...our line is back to where it was....dorsey on defense wouldnt fill the void left by Brown missing at LT

05-02-2008, 09:30 PM	#9
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: Whats wrong with Brown? No need to put Brown at RT. Yes, Brown is probably a better RT than a LT, but isn't that true for most guys? The LT is way harder to play. I know Brown had a couple of rough games last year, but he did have some nagging injury issues. With those nagging injuries he probably would have played those couple of games at RT just as bad. Anyway, Brown is a legitimate all pro LT. I do like Streif but Brown is a starter for a reason, that reason is he is simply the better player. I am just happy that the Saints appear to have solid depth on the front line. The Saints should be able to sustain a major injury if it occurs.

05-03-2008, 01:49 AM	#10
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,030	Re: Whats wrong with Brown? The only problem with Brown is that he gets concrete-feet from time to time, he needs to work on his foot quickness to avoid lunging in passpro. Especially against the faster ends.