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Re: 86-man Minicamp Depth Chart

Sorry...4th round and it was Pittman. PT beat him out of his job and he was supose to be a steal coming out of Ohio State and just winning the National Championship. No matter..I still say Peyton will put the best player on the field.

Re: 86-man Minicamp Depth Chart

agree we will get the best players on the field. Young and Porter will not be cut. Talent alone gives them a spot.

Re: 86-man Minicamp Depth Chart

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Originally Posted by foreverfan (Post 165374)

Here is your 2008 Saints 86-Man Mini Depth Chart and
53 man player roster.

Feel Free to Take Your Best Shot!

I'll have at it

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1. 9 Brees, Drew QB 6-0 209 29 8 Purdue
2. 11 Brunell, Mark QB 6-1 217 37 16 Washington
3. 3 Palko, Tyler QB 6-1 215 24 1 Pittsburgh
4. 6 Ostrander, T.C. QB 6-3 215 23 R Stanford

No problem there.

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1. 26 McAllister, Deuce RB 6-1 232 29 8 Mississippi
2. 25 Bush, Reggie RB 6-0 203 23 3 Southern California
3. 23 Thomas, Pierre RB 5-11 215 23 2 Illinois
4. 27 Stecker, Aaron RB 5-10 213 32 9 Western Illinois
5. 30 Hamilton, Lynell RB 6-0 235 22 R San Diego State
6. 24 Barclay, Chris RB 5-10 180 24 2 Wake Forest

Except for Deuce's recovery a proven RB group.

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1. 44 Karney, Mike FB 5-11 255 26 5 Arizona State
2. 40 Dudley, Kevin FB 6-0 238 26 1 Michigan
3. 33 Sobomehin, Olaniyi FB 6-1 230 23 R Portland State

The Hammer is firmly entrenched.

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1. 70 Brown, Jammal T 6-6 313 27 4 Oklahoma
2. 78 Stinchcomb, Jon T 6-5 315 28 6 Georgia
3. 73 Evans, Jahri G 6-4 318 24 3 Bloomsburg
4. 67 Nesbit, Jamar G 6-4 328 31 10 South Carolina
5. 76 Goodwin, Jonathan C/G 6-3 318 29 7 Michigan
6. 64 Strief, Zach T 6-7 320 24 3 Northwestern
7. 65 Alleman, Andy G 6-4 310 24 2 Akron
8. 74 Bushrod, Jermon T 6-5 315 23 2 Towson
9. 77 Nicks, Carl T/G 6-5 343 25 R Nebraska
10. 68 Lehr, Mat C/G 6-2 290 29 8 Virginia Tech
11. 62 Millington, Akim T 6-6 313 23 R Illinois
12. 61 Tuminello, Kevin C 6-4 285 23 R Georgia Tech
13. 63 McManus, Nate G 6-3 300 22 R Georgia Tech
14. 79 Boone, Jason T 6-4 300 24 R Utah
15. 75 Duckworth, Tim G 6-4 318 25 1 Auburn

Nine linemen?! I just don't think the Saints can afford to carry 3 draft picks in Allenman, Bushrod, and Nicks that fundamentally won't hit the field. There's going to have to be a shakeup here where one of the vets or one of the young guys are going to get shuffled.

Payton values versatility. Out of the group of 9 above, who lacks versatility?

8 Linemen max. Someone is going to be out of a job.

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1. 82 Johnson, Eric TE 6-3 252 28 8 Yale
2. 83 Miller, Billy TE 6-3 252 31 9 Southern California
3. 80 Campbell, Mark TE 6-6 260 32 10 Michigan
4. 85 Ghent, Ronnie TE 6-2 253 28 2 Louisville
5. 86 Ortega, Buck TE 6-4 250 26 1 Miami (Fla.)

Ghent has made himself invaluable on ST. I think he's going to stick.

How's Campbell's back? If dude cannot play, then we won't be sticking around.

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1. 12 Colston, Marques WR 6-4 225 24 3 Hofstra
2. 81 Patten, David WR 5-10 190 33 12 Western Carolina
3. 17 Meachem, Robert WR 6-2 210 23 2 Tennessee
4. 19 Henderson, Devery WR 5-11 200 26 5 Louisiana State
5. 16 Moore, Lance WR 5-9 190 24 3 Toledo
6. 87 Arrington, Adrian WR 6-3 192 22 R Michigan
7. 18 Copper, Terrance WR 6-0 207 26 5 East Carolina
8. 14 Blythe, Todd WR 6-5 214 23 R Iowa State
9. 10 Green, Skyler WR 5-9 190 23 3 Louisiana State
10. 15 Moore, Evan WR 6-7 236 23 R Stanford
11. 84 Ryan, Titus WR 6-0 193 23 1 Concordia (Ala.)

Copper is a ST stud on the team. He sticks. My order would be:

Colston, Meachem, Patton, Henderson, Copper, Arrington.

Unfortunately I think Lance Moore is going to be out of a job.

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1. 90 Ellis, Sedrick DT 6-1 307 22 R Southern California
2. 66 Young, Brian DT 6-2 298 30 9 UTEP
3. 99 Thomas, Hollis DT 6-0 335 34 13 Northern Illinois
4. 72 Pressley, DeMario DT 6-3 301 22 R North Carolina State
5. 71 Clancy, Kendrick DT 6-1 305 29 9 Mississippi
6. 96 Lake, Antwan DT 6-4 308 28 6 West Virginia
7. 92 Harris, Orien DT 6-3 300 24 1 Miami (Fla.)

This group is going to be rough on the vets. But it had to be done.

Is Pressley healthy right now?

Big Hollis better come to camp in shape. If Clancy or Lake come ready to play and Big Hollis is huffin and puffin, he may be out of a job this year.

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1. 91 Smith, Will DE 6-3 282 26 5 Ohio State
2. 94 Grant, Charles DE 6-3 285 29 7 Georgia
3. 93 McCray, Bobby DE 6-6 260 26 5 Florida
4. 97 Geathers, Jeremy DE 6-2 245 21 R UNLV
5. 95 Savage, Josh DE 6-4 276 27 3 Utah

Too thin. There's no way Geathers makes the squad at that weight.

We may need to get another DE before it's all over.

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1. 51 Vilma, Jonathan LB 6-1 230 26 5 Miami (Fla.)
2. 52 Morgan, Dan LB 6-2 245 29 8 Miami (Fla.)
3. 55 Fujita, Scott LB 6-5 250 29 7 California
4. 58 Shanle, Scott LB 6-2 245 28 6 Nebraska
5. 53 Simoneau, Mark LB 6-0 245 31 9 Kansas State
6. 54 Evans, Troy LB 6-3 238 30 7 Cincinnati
7. 50 Mitchell, Marvin LB 6-3 249 23 2 Tennessee
8. 59 Sanders, Luke LB 6-5 242 23 R Louisiana State
9. 56 Dunbar, JoLonn LB 6-0 226 23 R Boston College

Who plays ST on your 53 man roster? 5 LBs?! Won't happen. Both Evans and Mitchell make the 53 man squad. And someone's job is going to be in jeopardy if Dunbar is as good as some have projected.

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1. 41 Harper, Roman S 6-1 200 25 3 Alabama
2. 43 Kaesviharn, Kevin S 6-1 200 31 8 Augustana (S.D.)
3. 29 Bullocks, Josh S 6-1 207 25 4 Nebraska
4. 39 Reis, Chris S 6-1 215 24 2 Georgia Tech
5. 37 Roach, David S 6-2 215 22 R Texas Christian
6. 38 Schwartz, Rocky S 5-10 200 23 R Houston

Sounds about right.

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1. 34 McKenzie, Mike CB 6-0 194 32 10 Memphis
2. 20 Gay, Randall CB 5-11 190 26 5 Louisiana State
3. 22 Porter, Tracy CB 5-11 186 21 R Indiana
4. 28 Young, Usama CB 6-0 200 23 2 Kent State
5. 42 David, Jason CB 5-8 180 25 5 Washington State
6. 21 Craft, Jason CB 5-10 187 32 10 Colorado State
7. 31 Glenn, Aaron CB 5-9 183 35 15 Texas A&M
8. 36 Phillips, Anwar CB 6-0 187 25 1 Penn State
9. 32 Fassitt, Greg CB 5-11 186 23 1 Grambling State

The Saints won't carry all those CBs. Either Craft or Glenn are going to be out eventually. McKenzie may end up on the PUP list for 6 weeks if his knee doesn't come around by the start of the season. That'll be a reprieve for one of the two of them. It's possible that one is cut early and the other when McKenzie comes back.

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1. 5 Mehlhaff, Taylor K 5-10 184 22 R Wisconsin
2. 1 Gramatica, MartÃ*n K 5-8 170 32 9 Kansas State

1. 7 Weatherford, Steve P 6-3 215 25 3 Illinois
2. 4 Prather, Waylon P 6-3 225 23 R San Jose State

1. 47 Houser, Kevin LS 6-2 252 30 9 Ohio State
2. 49 Senser, Ryan LS 6-3 227 23 R Ohio

Mehlhaff is going to have to prove that he can be consistent at 50+ yards before he gets the job. Good kickoffs. Money inside of 45. But Kickers in the NFL make their money between 50 and 55 yards. Mehlhaff is going to have to show that ability.

Interesting list. We're going to have to get rid of some OL and CBs before it's all over.

SFIAH

Re: 86-man Minicamp Depth Chart

Ya'll may be right that Porter is untouchable due to his being picked in the 2nd round this year. I'll consider that a good argument for now.

There is just too much unproven love for Young. I think he may be on the bubble. I don't have a lot of love for Glenn, but at least he's proven he can start in the NFL. If I guess, I'd say that it is Craft who is out of a job.

I can't help but agree with SFIAH about the number of OL. Also, I think we need to consider C a weakness for now.

I don't think it is unreasonable to have 5 LBs on the squad. WR, S, CB, OL, and DE also get plenty of time on special teams. Maybe you're right that we'll keep at least one more (especially with the health risks Morgan brings). I'm swayed by the idea that they may staff the ST, but this isn't obvious to me yet.

Arrington may be good, but it looks to me like he may have a tough time making the squad, unless he can show that either he's our 4th WR or he is great on ST.

I still think we pick up at least one OL, one DT, and possibly a RB from other team's casts offs at the roster cut down date.

Does anyone think we run with just two QBs to free up a spot for the extra LB, OL, or CB? That seems like a possibility to me.

Also, does it seem wrong to bring in more possible FBs? It isn't like they're going to make the team...

Re: 86-man Minicamp Depth Chart

SFIAH, yea I agree with your assement, but I made the picks. Where's your picks. I think we keep 9 OL because there part of the best 53. Look for a player to be traded with a draft pick for Shockey. As for LB, I think we may keep another because they can play ST. The reason I kept so many CBs is because MM will not be able to start and because 4 can be on the field at the same time. Also I consider that Aaron Glen can play FS too.

Remember, this isn't the idea 53, it's just the best 53. That could easily change. Don't count out my dark horse this year, DT Orien Harris.

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Agree with StFaninATLHell. Copper is too valuable He is still young, and will be coming into his own as a receiver. I think Arrington will prove to be more valuable than Lance Moore. I will miss Moore. He is a personal favorite.

Re: 86-man Minicamp Depth Chart

Usama can't be "on the bubble" after a successful rookie season.

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Originally Posted by foreverfan (Post 165476)

SFIAH, yea I agree with your assement, but I made the picks. Where's your picks.

I agreed with most of yours. My picks were in my arguments.

QB: Keep 3. May end up having to PS Palko again.
RB: Keep all 4
FB: Karney

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I think we keep 9 OL because there part of the best 53.

OL: Only 8. We won't be able to PS any of the young guys. I don't think we can afford to keep 9. So one has to go. I don't pretend to know who it is.

As I said in my assessment, Payton values versitility. An OL who is a T/G or G/C or RT/LT will be more valuable than one who plays only one position.

Depending on how the young guys do, Nesbit may be in danger.

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Look for a player to be traded with a draft pick for Shockey.

Still wishful thinking I believe.

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As for LB, I think we may keep another because they can play ST.

Agreed. Also there's still the injury issue. I have a problem dumping one of the young guys for Morgan and then he's not available to play.

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The reason I kept so many CBs is because MM will not be able to start and because 4 can be on the field at the same time.

No problem with that argument, but you don't need 6. Either Craft or Glenn won't make the squad.

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Also I consider that Aaron Glen can play FS too.

And that may tilt the balance towards Glenn. Versitility. Craft's probably out of a job.

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Remember, this isn't the idea 53, it's just the best 53. That could easily change. Don't count out my dark horse this year, DT Orien Harris.

The team needs the 53 that going to fit their needs for the year. I remember listening to a Payton's coach's show in 2006 where he stated that the 53 man squad consisted to player who each had a role to play. Even if a guy is one of the best 53, if they don't have a role, then it's likely they won't be on the final 53.

That's why I think guys like Moore and Craft will be let go and guys like Copper will make the squad. Moore's roles of punt returner and receiver have been supplanted by Porter and Arrington and Craft's backup/nickle role will be taken full time by Young and Porter. Copper is a special team's stud, so he'll be kept.

SFIAH

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25 tackles and 14 games played doesn't impress me too much.

If Young is so good, why do we keep trying to get more players at the position - Glenn, Porter, and Gay?

I'd rather see Craft go, but Young is hardly guaranteed a roster spot.

I really don't see us keep 11 DBs. I suppose, it does end up depending a bit on who is going to return kicks for us (and I have no really good guess at that).

Also, I don't think that Nesbit is going to be the odd man out. He's got too much experience, he's a starter, and he can play all the interior spots.

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SFIAH... Craft was one of the bright spots playing nickel the last 2 years. Moore has the best hands on the team and always finds a way to get open. He isn't much with the ball in his hands but he moves the chains. Cooper couldn't get on the field with Moore in front of him. Still, your point is well taken.