He can say this because the way his team won the SB is the way that the SB is won virtually every year. Quick: name the last TE that was the SB MVP. I'll wait.

I actually agree with that sentiment. But the numbers are simple:

#4 offense
#26 defense

So where do you need to get better?

But the #1 offense made it to the SB last year. And they walked off the field without the trophy.

The numbers don't lie. SB offenses are all over the place. But SB defenses are either consistently great throughout the season, or get hot in the playoffs. But whichever team is playing the best defense in January wins the SB virtually every time.

I never really challenged the talent part of the equation. My only question is that why doesn't Shockey's production match those matchup problems? Guys like Winslow, Gates, and Gonzales get 90+ catches in a good year. Shockey has never been close to that.

Now here's where we part ways. Loudmouth malcontents MAKES teams dysfunctional. They create drama. They cause teammates to take sides, to have to defend positions, to lose focus. They take away attention from what's important, the team winning football games, and places it upon themselves.

The Saints don't have any of those types of guys right now. Bringing in Shockey can make that old adage come true:

One bad apple spoils the bunch.

There are three aspects to this better thing and you've only really addressed one:

1) Talent. A positive there.
2) Fit. Big negative there.
3) Cost. It's going to take some cheese to get the guy in here. We're going to have to give up a significant draft pick or a productive player (or both) to get him.

Two out of three of these need to be a positive to make it work and right now I see it as two thumbs down.

Now the really funny thing is that if I bring another talented malcontent into the discussion I'd get a completely different reaction.

Pacman Jones.

Now I wouldn't bring him in either for exactly the same reasons but in fact Dallas got a steal on the ledger sheet:

1) talent. I think that's been shown.
2) Fit. Triple negative here.
3) Cost. Nothing. A lowly conditional future draft pick with no bonus money in the contract.

If dude doesn't work out, he gets cut and it costs Dallas nothing.

The Saints will not be able to say the same with Shockey. He's a costly, risky gamble for production that has not yet to be shown to be much better than the production we've seen from the tight ends on staff.

One last point, from a production standpoint I really think that Shockey has a bigger stature in fans minds than the numbers suggest. Over his career he's been averaging about 60 catches, 600 yards, and 4 TD a year. Compare to Gonzales who averages 75 catches, 900 yards, and 6 TD a year or Gates who averages 68 catches, 875 yards and nearly 9 TDs a year.

So what I see is a moderately talented TE with a questionable locker room presence and a really high price tag.

And you wonder why I argue that this supposed trade is a really bad idea.

SFIAH

Thats BS... if you didn't have a player running at the mouth about everything under the sun and his coaches, team mates... no one would think there was a problem.

SHUT UP AND PLAY BALL. He ran his mouth and now it goes to show him the coach he bad mouth won him a damn SB ring = IDIOT.

Ok lets say we get Jeremy "ME, Selfish" Shockey.

I think we should start a pool on what will be the reasons he wants to be traded from us.

1. Food SUCKs!
2. Cajuns are gay!
3. Sean doesn't know his butt from a whole in the ground.

Conventional wisdom has it that Defense won the game for the Giants. Last I checked, Shockey didn't play defense.

I'm not saying I ascribe to this view (because I don't). However, before someone else says that Shockey's injury won the Giants the SB, I suggest they also address this argument (that is was Defense that really wins championships).

Funny that you mention that

If I recall correctly, the NY defense gave up the lead with about 2 minutes on the clock. Then, the NE defense could not stop the Giants inside the 2 minute warning and gave up the lead back with 30-some seconds.

So I say offense won that one.

Funny that you mention that

If I recall correctly, the NY defense gave up the lead with about 2 minutes on the clock. Then, the NE defense could not stop the Giants inside the 2 minute warning and gave up the lead back with 30-some seconds.

So I say offense won that one.

Where do you need to get better? Offense, Defense, Special Team, Training and Conditioning, Medical, Coaching, and Front Office.

Just because Defense needs the most help does not mean it should get ALL of it, and we need to improve across the board, every year, in every way.

There's no denying that talent-wise, Shockey is a top 5 talent. However, there's more to football that being talented. I live up in NY, all my friends are Giants fans and their fan base is 50/50 on him. You have to weigh his talents against his attitude and I for one don't want him as a Saint. Couple things I want to point out about him:

1) This guy ripped on the gay community saying he wouldn't stand for one of his teammates being gay. Oh, that's being a great teammate. Just the guy I want on my team...

2) A year later he calls Bill Parcells a derogatory name for being gay. He was never his coach but felt the need to throw him under the bus.

3) After losing a game to Seattle he throws his current coach under the bus saying "We got outplayed, and we got outcoached. Write that down."

4) The Giants went on to win the Super Bowl after he went down with an injury. The whole team got better when he went out of the lineup and that isn't a coincidence. He demands the ball all the time and when he doesn't he becomes a distraction. He's extremely selfish.

5) Having watched many Giants games, I can tell you this guy drops way too many touchdowns. He's solid between the 20's but once you get into the redzone, he disappears. The last thing we need is another guy dropping passes for Drew.

6) Lastly, the Giants are asking way to much for him. I'd much rather continue building our defense. Our offense is Super Bowl caliber. Team's with worse offenses than ours have won SB's in the last decade. We already traded away a draft pick for Vilma and I'm fine with that because we got a defensive starter. Unless Shockey can also play linebacker or corner at a pro bowl level, he won't help our team get to the next level.

JUST SAY NO TO JEREMY!!!

Again, this has NOTHING to do with anything.