Jeremy Shockey

JKool · 05-06-2008, 01:46 PM

Conventional wisdom has it that Defense won the game for the Giants. Last I checked, Shockey didn't play defense.

I'm not saying I ascribe to this view (because I don't). However, before someone else says that Shockey's injury won the Giants the SB, I suggest they also address this argument (that is was Defense that really wins championships).

Furthermore, it is difficult to see how one can believe the only evidence for football related claims is watching a team play can also believe that they somehow "watch Shockey's not playing help the Giants win".

Tobias-Reiper · 05-06-2008, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by JKool

Conventional wisdom has it that Defense won the game for the Giants. Last I checked, Shockey didn't play defense.

I'm not saying I ascribe to this view (because I don't). However, before someone else says that Shockey's injury won the Giants the SB, I suggest they also address this argument (that is was Defense that really wins championships).

Funny that you mention that

If I recall correctly, the NY defense gave up the lead with about 2 minutes on the clock. Then, the NE defense could not stop the Giants inside the 2 minute warning and gave up the lead back with 30-some seconds.

So I say offense won that one.

foreverfan · 05-06-2008, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

Funny that you mention that

If I recall correctly, the NY defense gave up the lead with about 2 minutes on the clock. Then, the NE defense could not stop the Giants inside the 2 minute warning and gave up the lead back with 30-some seconds.

So I say offense won that one.

Dude, you're the man.

Euphoria · 05-06-2008, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

Funny that you mention that

If I recall correctly, the NY defense gave up the lead with about 2 minutes on the clock. Then, the NE defense could not stop the Giants inside the 2 minute warning and gave up the lead back with 30-some seconds.

So I say offense won that one.

seriously? I mean seriously??? you think that seriously???

papz · 05-06-2008, 05:52 PM

Where do you need to get better? Offense, Defense, Special Team, Training and Conditioning, Medical, Coaching, and Front Office.

Just because Defense needs the most help does not mean it should get ALL of it, and we need to improve across the board, every year, in every way.

I've tried to make that point to him all offseason... trust me, it won't get through. Now if it was Randy Moss you were talking about, he might sing a different tune.

Tobias-Reiper · 05-06-2008, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

seriously? I mean seriously??? you think that seriously???

Seriously. I mean seriously. I think that seriously.
Why you ask?

05-06-2008, 01:46 PM	#1
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Re: payton wants shockey................... Conventional wisdom has it that Defense won the game for the Giants. Last I checked, Shockey didn't play defense. I'm not saying I ascribe to this view (because I don't). However, before someone else says that Shockey's injury won the Giants the SB, I suggest they also address this argument (that is was Defense that really wins championships). Furthermore, it is difficult to see how one can believe the only evidence for football related claims is watching a team play can also believe that they somehow "watch Shockey's not playing help the Giants win".

05-06-2008, 04:55 PM	#2
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: payton wants shockey................... Originally Posted by JKool Conventional wisdom has it that Defense won the game for the Giants. Last I checked, Shockey didn't play defense. I'm not saying I ascribe to this view (because I don't). However, before someone else says that Shockey's injury won the Giants the SB, I suggest they also address this argument (that is was Defense that really wins championships). Funny that you mention that If I recall correctly, the NY defense gave up the lead with about 2 minutes on the clock. Then, the NE defense could not stop the Giants inside the 2 minute warning and gave up the lead back with 30-some seconds. So I say offense won that one.

05-06-2008, 04:59 PM	#3
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: payton wants shockey................... Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper Funny that you mention that If I recall correctly, the NY defense gave up the lead with about 2 minutes on the clock. Then, the NE defense could not stop the Giants inside the 2 minute warning and gave up the lead back with 30-some seconds. So I say offense won that one. Dude, you're the man.

05-06-2008, 05:49 PM	#4
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: payton wants shockey................... Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper Funny that you mention that If I recall correctly, the NY defense gave up the lead with about 2 minutes on the clock. Then, the NE defense could not stop the Giants inside the 2 minute warning and gave up the lead back with 30-some seconds. So I say offense won that one. seriously? I mean seriously??? you think that seriously???

05-06-2008, 05:52 PM	#5
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,793	Re: payton wants shockey................... Where do you need to get better? Offense, Defense, Special Team, Training and Conditioning, Medical, Coaching, and Front Office. Just because Defense needs the most help does not mean it should get ALL of it, and we need to improve across the board, every year, in every way. I've tried to make that point to him all offseason... trust me, it won't get through. Now if it was Randy Moss you were talking about, he might sing a different tune.

05-06-2008, 07:26 PM	#6
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: payton wants shockey................... Originally Posted by Euphoria seriously? I mean seriously??? you think that seriously??? Seriously. I mean seriously. I think that seriously. Why you ask?