Is pierre tradeable?
 

Ideally we want duece back...if that happens then that obviously makes Pierre expendable....everybody on these forums seem to have fallen madly in love with him after last seasons performance...but if we have a healthy duece then we dont need him....he could be traded for someone we do want or a need position to fill....ne ideas or thoughts on the subject?

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NO way. he is cheap and he maybe productive enough to become our #3 and replace stecker next year. Never know he may become a solid #2. My point right now is the bang for the buck view point, it would be silly. You can not get any more cap friendlier than him.

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ah i hate when ppl talk about replacing stecker....over the past several seasons he has arguably been our most consistant back....look at it this way...duece gets hurt annually and needs a backup....antwan was there a few years ago but he split carries with...stecker....stecker was there last year and helped return kicks even...he is a ST team captain and is very important to our 3 RB sets that have become increasingly apparent in our new offense

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Being that he has barely accomplished anything or was drafted, I wouldn't think we'd get practically anything back in return for Pierre's services. Even if we could possibly fetch a 7th rounder for him, what's the point? We're better off keeping him. Even if he to goes off and have a Ryan Grant type season, why would we want to trade something like that away?

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I wouldn't even consider trading PT right now. Even if Deuce comes back 100%, his durability will be in question. Stecker isn't getting any younger, so it would be wise to keep young, fresh legs in the backfield in case of injury to one of our backs.

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i would love for pierre to become our RB because that means he stepped up and became a great threat in our run game.....i just dont see it happening but i do think ur argument is valid....he did his job for the minimum last year...i just dont want hafta see him this year cuz that means duece is still hurt

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Hey canton I like stecker but at the young age of 32 don't you think it is time to at least consider a replacement. Really?

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as arguably the biggest stecker fan im very reluctant to agree....but when a capable replacement comes along i would gladly concede...PT cant fill in for stecker...he is so versatile to be replaced right now....ur right tho...maybe in a few years tho

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You really dont want to trade PT at this point, and with the current fad the NFL is going through with 2 running back system the value of the RB is almost at an all time low.

I've had a man crush on Duce since he joinned the team, and I'm really pulling for him to come back for this second injury. However his style of running, money due to him, and his age are all working against him.

We still have to sign Colston and Will Smith......and the money we save from cutting or trading Duce would go along way to keeping those two players.

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Out of RB, DM, AS, and PT, Stecker is the odd man out. Pierre can already do anything Stecker can do, and he is still a rookie.

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Earth to CantonLegend...come in CantonLegend....

The very fact that this is floating around in your head concerns me.

PT can do absolutely anything Stecker can do, and do it better. Plus he's younger and probably cheaper. I'm even starting to scratch my head about Deuce...his injuries concern me alot, and I can tell he's lost a step or two.

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besides, nobody would give us anything for PT.

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its easily said that ne running back can do what stecker does...but over the past several seasons stecker has done what we needed on a more consistant basis than nebody on the team...PT is not stecker....he has played one season...he doesnt have the experience and knowledge that stecker has....and there is no way to tell the PT does it better....u cant throw out opinionated facts lol....its obvious that i like stecker and that wasnt what the thread was about....if everyone is so in love with PT....whats to say that we cant get ne thing for him?....he showed up last year....no doubt...he stepped up and did as well as ne rookie minus adrian peterson but thats a different topic alltogether....i like PT which i think ppl are misunderstanding....if he does what he did last year....why wouldnt he be tradeable?....he can be a backup on ne team....and it doesnt matter if we would trade him and a draft pick to get something or someone.....y is that so inconceivable?

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Sigh.

Let's remember that last year we went into the last game with only our 4th string running back.

Every position has a backup for a reason.

PT23 also plays special teams.

Finally even if Deuce is healthy, and remains healthy, it would be good to have a back that can give him a blow and still be productive running the football.

PT23 is cheap. He's productive. He plays special teams.

So why in the world would you want to get rid of him?

SFIAH

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Why don't you think multiple backs can be rotated even when they are all healthy. There were times in 2006 when Stecker came on the field even when Deuce and Reggie were fine.

So why not use PT23 to suck up some of those carries for Deuce so that he'll be available and fresh for the times when we really need him?

SFIAH

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Why would the Saints want to trade their future starting RB, either this year or for sure next year, with Deuce getting old and health problems?

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Canton lets start here.

Question 1: Can Stecker still produce?

Question 2: Has PT shown potential?

Question 3: Is Stecker good enough to groom his replacement?

I answered yes to all 3. To bad Stecker signed a one year deal worth 1.4 million. I was hoping for at least a 2 or 3 year deal. But the saints could or would not do it. I think PT has their vote and Stecker is his mentor this year. No RB drafted hint at also.

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This ground control to Major Canton...

It getting very hard to understand why your treating PT23 this wwwaaaayyyyaaaeeeaaaa..

You gotta love old David Bowie.

Anyway... in no way do we trade PT. Papz hit the nail on the head.

1. We won't get alot in return for him.

2. The kid is, I say again, IS going to be our RB of the future.

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Upside. PT's got it. Stecker does not. He's only going to decline at age 32.

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Everything Stecker does/did/could do for this team is why he's still on the team. V E R S A T I L I T Y. He was never meant to be our first or second back (why do you think Deuce is still here?). PT23 is being groomed for the position.

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What a silly *******question. I'm glad you're not a part of the FO. You're correct, everybody likes Duece. I simply don't want to see him hurt again, knowing him, he would go through rehab again to come back. We're talking about knees dude. Arthritis is definitely going to set in, we just don't know how bad. I know though.

PT is just a stronger and hungrier Duece. We needed PT last year but was too late for whatever reason. It would be extremely unwise to trade him.

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alright first of all....i coach high school football and i am a college scout so i know what im talking about when it comes to talent....just fyi.....nobody wants him to get hurt...agreed by everybody on the forum....duece is our starter....also agreed....PT is not stronger than healthy duece....hungrier..maybe because he doesnt have the history that duece has....PT did great for us last year...i dont see him being our back for the future mainly because he went undrafted...and i dont see him taking steckers spot this year....i like the point about stecker signing a 1 yr deal tho...i almost cried when i heard that...arguing about stecker is hard for me cuz i'll end up saying something dumb and off the wall...but PT isnt duece...i think he has the potential to do what stecker does...but i dont see him being our back of the future....i cant remember who said it but with the increase in popularity of the 2 back system, RBs value did go down....but its because RBs are being used for their strengths....one RB is a power guy and one is elusive speedy guy....or if u go with one that does it all great like LT or dare i say McFadden?...PT is a jack of all traits like stecker....but he doesnt do ne 1 thing better than nebody on our team....I think that he has talent and could play on ne team in ST or maybe in a multi-back set....if he has the talent to do that....y wouldnt he be marketable?....he is young....he is capable...but he wont start on our team unless Duece mac and reggie and big aaron are hurt

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i like ur point....i think that all the backs will get playing time because they all showed they had what it took to step up when the time came....i am very proud of our backs and really its the only position other than QB and G that we dont need more depth at.....i like when we put duece and stecker back there and have reggie in the slot....its obvious that stecker and PT have similar traits and it is very possible we are looking to move stecker even but i think that PT has a higher value in the market....i would like to keep him too....but if he has a higher price than we anticipate...what are the chances that we could bring in someone else we need?

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In Canton's defense, I don't think he was actually suggesting a PT trade, just posing a hypothetical question.

Trading PT at this time would be a big mistake. PT shows upside potential and going into his 2nd year will help further his development. He will get more attempts this year and will provide a better idea on what he can do. This will work in his favor and give him the edge over any new comers.

Stecker and PT will split carries while Deuce recovers. I see Steady Stecker being penciled in as the starter splitting time with PT, with PT potentially taking over the #1 spot until Deuce is ready.

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Deuce is our #1 until he says he is not. He deserves that, and has proven it by coming back again and again for us. I know, the NFL is just a business, but the Deuce scenario is different. I really want to see him get 1k, 10TD this year so he can recover yet still produce so the naysayers have something to ponder.

PT, admittedly, is our future. Future looks bright. Him and Reggie gonna platoon for years on end once we get our o-line right & tight. One thing I hope is we keep Deuce with the team forever, be it front office, or my favorite scenario, as a coach of some sort, so he'll always be on the sidelines!!

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Coach, I believe you if you say so regarding your ability to recognize talent. However saying "you can't see him (PT)as our back for the future is mainly because he went undrafted," is not a nice thing to say.

What about people like: Willie Parker, Antonio Gates, Priest Holmes, Rod Smith, Brian Finneran, London Fletcher, Ogunleye, Jake Del and Kevin Kaes. I could name more but they all went undrafted. Why PT was not placed of the field earlier, I do not know but I know he has it. They just recognized it too late.

I do not what to see Duece looking like Earl Campbell. No way, he's given waaay too much in my opinion.

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http://skool.us/phots/deucetyweb.jpg

Just a little reminder

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the thought of duece returning to full health makes me tingle...nice post touchdown......also thanks biggiex for pointing out that i dont advocate a trade...i just thought it was possible...it was something that was outside the box...every team always looks for players that are solid but couldnt necessarily make their team better....if we find a player like that we could move him just like other teams do...catch my drift?...if PT had some marketability then i can foresee a trade goin down...the dude can play...as everyone has made it clear....he clearly has some value or we wouldnt be talking about him as our back of the future....the saints have a history now of drafting their starting running backs in the first round tho....i dont think we need to try an undrafted guy at starter when we could just draft one...granted if PT steps up...y wouldnt we start him...im all for it.....we drafted r. williams and he started..he was a beast....we drafted duece....he started....he was a beast....i see us drafting a running back to start for us if duece cant make it...thats y i brought up the PT trade

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I agree with a lot of your points canton but a couple of things I need to point out.
1) Duce had work done to both knees. He came back 100% from the first, never regained the top speed from the second. Now we are talking a third here and he will be fragile. Every times he gets the ball we all will hold our breathes. The third blow out was not so much a fluke injury as injury to a rebuilt knee. Face facts Duce is gambling big time on the field for us. Pray he makes the year. I know the FO is.

2) We did not draft a RB so the staff must see something in our RB stable. As for Stecker, he is over 30 and has a one year deal and you feel PT is not good enough to become a third down back?

With Duce's all question marks, Steckers' age and really no other RB to talk about behind them but PT, Stecker and Bush, why in the world would you trade the guy? It still makes no sense to me unless you get offered a second rounder or something stupid like that. Third down backs do not grow on trees. It is not that easy to find them. Stecker is the perfect player coach for PT to learn from. Smart, Tough and a team guy. I just the this pairing of teach/ student thing seems too good mess up. I like this marriage.

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i like that point and i like the idea of a player coach....mcafee did it and now look....hes in our FO....ne way....i think that duece has this year and then his days our numbered....unless we find another gaping hole in our defense i think we will draft a RB this year....i hope its not chris wells....i think the position is too important to hand it over to PT....after 32 teams pass on u for 7 rounds.....thats not a good sign....and the only reason he got to play last year was because #1 and #2 were hurt....i dont think PT challenges for the starting job...at least this year....and i think if duece cant get healthy we will go to the draft looking for a number 1 guy.....dangit now that i made this dumb bold statement i gotta go look at RBs in college....maybe i'll just wait til next year that way i dont hafta do it now

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alright i changed my mind..i hope we draft alex mack from cal next year....if he ends up falling and not becoming the first overall pick which is a complete possibility.....i've seen our draft position from as low as number 10 to as high as 32.....that isnt a very good way to narrow down where we will pick.....as far as the running backs go...knowshon moreno appears to be the best RB after chris wells....some even have him higher than wells....if we end up picking at 10 or 11 or in the teens we have a chance to land him and he would be a great pickup...they compared him to cadillac williams in his running style....i just hope he wont get hurt for us...ne way...im done talking about future draft picks and i retract my earlier statement of me hoping we draft a RB....if we pass on alex mack i will certainly be in jeckyl acres next year

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knowshon moreno should be a top 10
chris wells - possible in the top 20.
alex mack - now we are talking. but there are some good OC in the 2009 draft and even better if the Jr. come out.
William Moore, FS/SS, Missouri is my early odds on as favorite. I do not think we are done building the secondary.

Lets see how the OL develops and then we can talk about trading from an area of depth, OT and maybe, just maybe OG.

Yeah, lets get rid of the young potential stud RB for the "Healthy" guy in his 30's with two bad knees.

There is everyday healthy, and there is football healthy. Deuce will surely reach the former, but the latter will be hard to attain and harder to maintain.

Stop being silly!

Big difference between a 32 year old RB who has been the go-to guy for his whole career and a 32 year old RB who has been relief/special teams his whole career.

It's not just the age, it's the wear and tear. Stecker has a bit more tread left on his tires.

And as long as you are not coaching for Slidell High School, or scouting for LSU, then I wish you a long career. Should make life easier for both sets of Tigers if you do, LOL!

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alright as hard as it is to not swear at u im going to try....PT is not a stud...at least not yet...maybe u missed the part where i said im not advocating a trade...just throwing it out there....i didnt say i was a good coach and i wont because that isnt the argument....however....my team has won the state championship 3 times in the last 10 years....that was kinda a dick move...and honestly i wish ur high school and LSU luck....i dont like either of them but good for u for being faithful.....we would not be getting rid of PT for some guy we dont need...or a draft pick that is worthless.....we would get rid of him for something we do need....assuming he has value at the end of the season

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im kinda with canton on this one.. everyone is head over heels in love with PT and i think we need to see more of him before we start saying he should be the starting RB.. just b/c he had one awesome game doesnt mean u can do it for a full season..

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i agree....i do think however that we will still have our second round pick next year....i dont know if we would draft a S if someone would fall to us wherever we may be....i think there are better talents in the draft next year at more important positions...i think with all of our new CBs its entirely possible that we move one of them back?....i like adding to our defense....i just think that if our offense is supposed to be our strong point and if we are missing a vital piece..then we will go offense first...thats what we did last year when we drafted meachem....we thought we had secured our secondary with jason david and instead we fixed our WR position that needed filling with the departure of joe horn

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Moore is top notch talent. keep your eye on him. he will be top 25 talent

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Yeah, I get that a lot.

I get that a lot too. Mainly because I'm a dick. But I'm okay with that.

Aight, I am not in love with Pierre Thomas. I don't know his number, what he looks like, his college, his stats, his height or weight. I didn't see much preseason this year, and to be honest, I Tivoed the last game, and after I accidentally found out we lost I didn't have the heart to watch it. F'n Bears...

You know what I do know about Pierre Thomas? He is our guy. He has not proven to us that he can be a #1 RB in the NFL, but he has obviously proven it to Payton. He has not shown he can perform at a high level all season long. But then, neither can Mendenhall or Stuart or any of the other stud RB's taken in the draft this year. They have never played in an NFL game, and have never been with a team for a full NFL schedule. But the bottom line is, he is our guy. Period.

I cannot believe that the coaches and front office can be blind to the fact that Deuce is pretty ripped up. Three major knee injuries is big at Deuce's age. They HAVE to have a backup option. It is their JOBS to have a backup option.

Thomas walked on to the team, and was good enough that they sent their 3rd round pick packing.

They did NOT draft a running back this year.

They did not aggressively pursue Michael Turner.

They have passed on a former league MVP, who may not be the MVP he was, but would be more than sufficient sharing a backfield with Karney and Reggie.

I am not in love with Pierre Thomas, but I hope to be soon, because he is our guy. I have faith in the Coach Payton, he is still learning and growing as a head coach, but he has proven he has an eye for personnel and the ability to get the best out of them.

If we has taken McFadden in the 1st round, happy about the pick or not, we would all expect him to jump in and be the future of the Saints. No experience, unproven, but destined to be our guy. I simply expect the same of Thomas. To me Thomas is like a new draft pick with more experience.

Thomas is unproven, but less so than any draft pick. I don't see why we should not expect him to take the reigns at RB, when we would expect it from a high draft pick.

FACT: Deuce is going to have a hard time coming back from this, and will probably not be 100% for the start of the season, if he ever is again.
FACT: The Coaching staff obviously thinks he can handle it, because they have ignored several good opportunities to bring in a new running back.
FACT: Pierre Thomas is our guy.

When it all comes down to it, Thomas has given us all more reason to think that he can succeed, than to think he will fail. Being undrafted means nothing in relation to Pierre Thomas' ability to succeed in the NFL. The fact that he is where is is, compared to where he started, is just more proof that he has the skills and the moxy to be the man for us. I am excited that the coaching staff has someone that they believe in that much.

I may be being a dick again, but seeing as Canton is a college scout, I think half of his doubts about Pierre Thomas stem from the fact that a viable #1 NFL stud RB going undrafted would most certainly have to be defined as a "Massive scouting error of biblical proportions". Canton trusts the opinions of his peers, I trust the opinion of Sean Payton.

We have our guy, Pak, and he has at least earned the benefit of the doubt in my opinion.

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we also have a new RB coach...it's on his shoulders...if he thought our RB situation was insufficient don't you think we would have been more aggressive addressing this position?

i'm going with PT until he proves otherwise

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no he hasnt.. he started 1 game, pretty much cause everyone else was injured...


what does this have to do with the ability of PT? Mend. and Stuart are obviously talented players as evidenced by the fact that they were 1st round picks... PT was undrafted.. now that doesnt mean he cant succeed but it does mean that no NFL team thought he was good enough to take a chance on by spending even a 7th round pick.. i know he started over mend. at Ill. but its not like he did anything special while he was starting.. splitting carries every year.. so he never really beat out anyone...


im pretty sure they brought in Alexander just incase deuce doesnt come back fully healthy.. even though they didnt offer him a contract.. they still wanted to see what he has and could offer one at a later date..

4th

. we had more pressing needs then finding another backup running back

who was going to be overpaid.. he got the chance to shine in the playoffs and he laid an egg..


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i wouldnt say they passed.. they are waiting to see how deuce does in mini camps before making a decision on bringing in another RB

id say he isnt our guy but our 4th string RB

of course we would have expected that of McFadden.. he would have been a high 1st round pick.. those players are almost always expected to come in and play right away.. except for QBs.. just look at meachem last year.. thats y he was so disappointing.. he didnt even play at all.. back to PT.. why would you expect him to just come in and start after being 4th string all last year and starting one game at the end of the year when he was all we had?

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we thought the same thing in 2006.. when he came back better then ever...

i wouldnt say the ignored it.. they have brought in players just to check the tires, so to speak

. FACT: Pierre Thomas is our 3rd string RB if he beats out Stecker

really? all that from one game?

who seems to think that PT is an excellent backup to Deuce, Reggie and Stecker.. i look forward to seeing him perform in mop-up duty


yea reggie does deserve it.. thats y he will be havin the monster year.. not your boy PT