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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by CantonLegend with an upgraded defense this year i think we will be back to our '06 form....i think our defense is even better than it was in '06.....i was kinda hoping we would get sammy knight back ...

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Old 05-18-2008, 12:31 PM   #1
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Re: TE RB and DB Still an issue for Saints

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with an upgraded defense this year i think we will be back to our '06 form....i think our defense is even better than it was in '06.....i was kinda hoping we would get sammy knight back since he was available this offseason....i have more than a man-crush on him lol....he could've helped our safeties....

I completely agree with you on Sammy Knight. He is still a stud ( Lucky NYG )

I too was hoping he could come back to help Harper and Bullocks progress.

Draft Daddy shows S Mike Doss and CB Ty Law, still available. I believe that our secondary problems are more to do with poor coaching as well as no effective veteran mentoring or guidance.

We need a couple of talented vets to help compensate for the crappy Saints secondary coaching staff, since that position likely will not be upgraded.
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Old 05-18-2008, 12:42 PM   #2
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I completely agree with you on Sammy Knight. He is still a stud ( Lucky NYG )

I too was hoping he could come back to help Harper and Bullocks progress.

Draft Daddy shows S Mike Doss and CB Ty Law, still available. I believe that our secondary problems are more to do with poor coaching as well as no effective veteran mentoring or guidance.

We need a couple of talented vets to help compensate for the crappy Saints secondary coaching staff, since that position likely will not be upgraded.
Would either one of them really help us? i mean ty law is old and isnt much of an upgrade assuming he would be one at all. and mike doss is a bust. he was supposed to be a stud coming out of OSU but he ended up not helping ne body do nething. he might be an upgrade but he isnt going to put us over the hump. i dont know if coaching is as big a problem as the players in the positions but i agree. without a true defensive coach(jim haslett) we wont be able to help out the players too much.
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Would either one of them really help us? i mean ty law is old and isnt much of an upgrade assuming he would be one at all. and mike doss is a bust. he was supposed to be a stud coming out of OSU but he ended up not helping ne body do nething. he might be an upgrade but he isnt going to put us over the hump. i dont know if coaching is as big a problem as the players in the positions but i agree. without a true defensive coach(jim haslett) we wont be able to help out the players too much.

Here is my original post:

While the Bears took Tulane RB Matt Forte and TE Kellen Davis and Chiefs took TE Brad Cottam, the Saints opted for CB Tracy Porter in the 2nd round.

In time, I am optimistic that Porter will develop into a good NFL corner.

Meanwhile the Saints have three BIG problems RIGHT NOW:

No starting-caliber RB behind Deuce (2ACL's and a Microfracture surgery)
No starting-caliber TE period.
A lot of 'junk' at CB and S ( Aged and injured vets, unproven rookies, and safeties who get lost )

Anyone else think these are urgent problems to address?
Saints 08 are going to have a tough time competing at a high level, given our current roster and current injury status and lack of quality depth at key positions.
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Saints 08 are going to have a tough time competing at a high level, given our current roster and current injury status and lack of quality depth at key positions.
what key position do we not have depth at?....we have depth at RB and CB if thats ur argument...the skill set might not be grade A but its good enough to get us by....im beginning to believe that with an improved pass rush we will be a lot better off in the secondary...ellis can take on 2 blockers every play..that leaves the gaps open for blitzing LBs or crossing DEs....again....our injuries are only a concern if the depth proves unworthy....the only injuries we have to worry about are our (new) LBs and duece....MM will be healthy by mid season and gay can step up to fill his position until then neway....Duece will be healthy to start the season and he will be used when we need him....we competed at a high level last year after the first 4 games...the only problem we will have is if we get off to a slow start....but then again...look at our schedule lol...i think the child saying: easy squeezy lemon peezy applies to our shedule

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i agree that the pass rush will help our corners. even with jason david being slow as dirt it still takes a lot of time to get beat deep. our newly acquired defensive players wont allow that much time for a QB. we will get to the QB before jason david gets beat. that means a better season for all of our corners.
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what key position do we not have depth at?....we have depth at RB and CB if thats ur argument...the skill set might not be grade A but its good enough to get us by....im beginning to believe that with an improved pass rush we will be a lot better off in the secondary...ellis can take on 2 blockers every play..that leaves the gaps open for blitzing LBs or crossing DEs....again....our injuries are only a concern if the depth proves unworthy....the only injuries we have to worry about are our (new) LBs and duece....MM will be healthy by mid season and gay can step up to fill his position until then neway....Duece will be healthy to start the season and he will be used when we need him....we competed at a high level last year after the first 4 games...the only problem we will have is if we get off to a slow start....but then again...look at our schedule lol...i think the child saying: easy squeezy lemon peezy applies to our shedule
Your cup is more than 'half full'. Your cup 'runneth over'!!

Think back to the 07 Saints 0-4 start to the season. Why did we lose the first four games?

Terrible secondary performance and ineffective running game.

Payton was on NFL Network recently talking about the 0 and 4 start in 07.

What specifically have the FO done to address these weaknesses ??

Why were the 06 Saints successful? Effective running game keeps the opponent, not to mention mediocre Saints D off the field, and works the clock.

Porter is a rookie, Glenn is way past his prime and McKenzie is out. Usama and our safeties are lost on the field.

If Eric Johnson is our only hope at TE, as an outlet for Brees, he just had his knee scoped.

We have multiple weaknesses and our opponents know this and will be game planning accordingly.

If at first you don't succeed, try, try again.
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