Saints put LT BRown on IR

papz · 09-30-2009, 07:27 AM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

offensive tackles arent interchangeable....a good offensive line makes skill players interchangeable but not the other way around

the pats offensive line has been the most consistant piece of their team throughout the years....dont confuse their team with our team

we have not yet created that kind of stability

The Pats and Colts have plugged and played with their offensive line also. They've let many offensive lineman go via free agency and have plugged draft picks, free agents, and UDFA's in their place. And yet, they manage to perform at a high level every year regardless of who's there. Their system allows them to maintain that level of success. I'd like to think being one of the best offenses in the league for the past 3 seasons, we have created that kind of stability.

Faine was replaced by Goodwin.
Nesbit was replaced by a rookie named Carl Nicks.
Brown and now has been replaced by Bushrod and Strief.
I forgot who Evans replaced but he started while still inexperienced also.
Stinchcomb has pretty much been the consistent on the line.

Because of our system, regardless of their flaws, we're still a powerhouse offense as we're able to get the most out of our players at the position.

CantonLegend · 09-30-2009, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by papz

The Pats and Colts have plugged and played with their offensive line also. They've let many offensive lineman go via free agency and have plugged draft picks, free agents, and UDFA's in their place. And yet, they manage to perform at a high level every year regardless of who's there. Their system allows them to maintain that level of success. I'd like to think being one of the best offenses in the league for the past 3 seasons, we have created that kind of stability.

we have created stability, but not on the offensive line.....our offensive line has been pretty inconsistant if you look at the 3rd and shorts that we missed or if you look at the penalties

while brown was good for a few penalties every year, he was our best lineman and many of you think that evans has been our best lineman, but evans has fallen off a bit and because of the pressure and responsibility of the LT position, brown has come out as the most important and best lineman on the team

Faine was replaced by Goodwin.

out of necessity, not talent......we didnt want to pay faine so he walked

Nesbit was replaced by a rookie named Carl Nicks.

carl nicks is one of the best young linemen in the league.....he will be our best lineman in a few years and he will be a stud.....nesbit was replaced because nicks was better

Brown and now has been replaced by Bushrod and Strief.

due to injury......brown has not been replaced because bushrod has been playing terribly and streif isnt as fast or as strong as brown

I forgot who Evans replaced but he started while still inexperienced also.
Stinchcomb has pretty much been the consistent on the line.

Because of our system, regardless of their flaws, we're still a powerhouse offense as we're able to get the most out of our players at the position.

this is a post just to get under my skin i think but its laughable at best......our offensive line isnt something we can mess with......it has helped create the #1 offense in the league and losing one of the cornerstones is a big deal.......anyway you spin it

sure its a big deal if we lose vilma because we dont have a solid backup.....but its not a big deal because we lose the second most important position in all of football? im sorry but you are wrong here

papz · 09-30-2009, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

we have created stability, but not on the offensive line.....our offensive line has been pretty inconsistant if you look at the 3rd and shorts that we missed or if you look at the penalties

And yet we're number one in the league on offense. I don't see how you can't put one and one together. Production is what matters... and we're producing.

while brown was good for a few penalties every year, he was our best lineman and many of you think that evans has been our best lineman, but evans has fallen off a bit and because of the pressure and responsibility of the LT position, brown has come out as the most important and best lineman on the team

I feel Brown is our best lineman also... never said he wasn't in the first place. You're preaching to the choir.

out of necessity, not talent......we didnt want to pay faine so he walked

carl nicks is one of the best young linemen in the league.....he will be our best lineman in a few years and he will be a stud.....nesbit was replaced because nicks was better

due to injury......brown has not been replaced because bushrod has been playing terribly and streif isnt as fast or as strong as brown

I'm showing you that we've been plugging just like the Pats and Indy has and we consistent produce at a high level? Does it matter why who replaced who? Whoever has been put there in that position, has produced. In highsight, it's easy to say Player A was better than Player B which is why they were replaced... in highsight. At that point in time which they were replaced, they were inexperienced young players with everything to prove. No one knew what to expect.

this is a post just to get under my skin i think but its laughable at best......our offensive line isnt something we can mess with......it has helped create the #1 offense in the league and losing one of the cornerstones is a big deal.......anyway you spin it

We have an it's working. The Pats have and it's worked. The Colts have and it's working.

sure its a big deal if we lose vilma because we dont have a solid backup.....but its not a big deal because we lose the second most important position in all of football? im sorry but you are wrong here

Huh? No one is saying it's not a big deal which is how you're interpreting this. What is being said is that we'll manage without him... life goes on. He's a Pro Bowl talent. It would be stupid to say he's not a big loss... which is why no one is saying it. Some just choose to be logical and optimistic at the same time... the sky isn't going to fall because Brown isn't on the field. We're not going to stop winning games because Brown isn't on the field. We're 3-0 with the top offense in the league again... he'll be missed but we'll survive.

hagan714 · 09-30-2009, 02:42 AM

I can not stand it any more! the left tackle issue! I have been waiting for this! No I wont do it

Considering Bushrod has played in three games at LT I would grade him out as not bad. But i would keep assigning back up help on the left side. watch the RB on passing plays. Their first check down is almost always to Bushrods side.

Marques Douglas and Vernon Gholston are on tabs for next week. They do not worry too much.

David Harris worries me! splitting the gap. He has blitzing like crazy this year.

saintsrule · 09-30-2009, 03:00 AM

I don't see where there is much that can be done now. Brown is on IR and can't come back this season, so they have to go with Bushrod. I just hope he is healthy because he had to come out of the game last week.

Budsdrinker · 09-30-2009, 07:16 AM

Both Bushrod and Strief has played well. A couple of sacks given up were on Brees for holding the ball too long. For Bushrod to equal Brown in preventing a couple sacks, all he has to do is grab hold of the jersey like Brown does and back us up 10 yards. Brown is a great RT and just slightly above average LT in my opinion. Now with all this said I think we know what should be targeted in the draft next year.

Danno · 09-30-2009, 07:25 AM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

Both Bushrod and Strief has played well. A couple of sacks given up were on Brees for holding the ball too long. For Bushrod to equal Brown in preventing a couple sacks, all he has to do is grab hold of the jersey like Brown does and back us up 10 yards. Brown is a great RT and just slightly above average LT in my opinion. Now with all this said I think we know what should be targeted in the draft next year.

I'd target a RDE, or LDE, or OLB before a LT.

We may target a LG, if we move Nicks to LT. My guess is we re-sign Brown and he continues to play above-average LT for us for several more years.

DeadmaN · 09-30-2009, 02:03 PM

I think any player can play good one set of downs and get burned the next set no matter how good her or she is

Sapp never got to the QB every play
Rice never made a TD every time he caught the ball

Remember any given Sunday

By the way is that a dead horse I smell

DeadmaN · 09-30-2009, 02:03 PM

oops I said she
lol
what an @$$

DeadmaN · 09-30-2009, 02:04 PM

the dam edit isn't working

09-30-2009, 07:27 AM	#1
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,794	Re: Saints put LT BRown on IR Originally Posted by CantonLegend offensive tackles arent interchangeable....a good offensive line makes skill players interchangeable but not the other way around the pats offensive line has been the most consistant piece of their team throughout the years....dont confuse their team with our team we have not yet created that kind of stability The Pats and Colts have plugged and played with their offensive line also. They've let many offensive lineman go via free agency and have plugged draft picks, free agents, and UDFA's in their place. And yet, they manage to perform at a high level every year regardless of who's there. Their system allows them to maintain that level of success. I'd like to think being one of the best offenses in the league for the past 3 seasons, we have created that kind of stability. Faine was replaced by Goodwin. Nesbit was replaced by a rookie named Carl Nicks. Brown and now has been replaced by Bushrod and Strief. I forgot who Evans replaced but he started while still inexperienced also. Stinchcomb has pretty much been the consistent on the line. Because of our system, regardless of their flaws, we're still a powerhouse offense as we're able to get the most out of our players at the position.
	Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege. All little common sense goes a long way.

09-30-2009, 09:31 AM	#2
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Saints put LT BRown on IR Originally Posted by papz The Pats and Colts have plugged and played with their offensive line also. They've let many offensive lineman go via free agency and have plugged draft picks, free agents, and UDFA's in their place. And yet, they manage to perform at a high level every year regardless of who's there. Their system allows them to maintain that level of success. I'd like to think being one of the best offenses in the league for the past 3 seasons, we have created that kind of stability. we have created stability, but not on the offensive line.....our offensive line has been pretty inconsistant if you look at the 3rd and shorts that we missed or if you look at the penalties while brown was good for a few penalties every year, he was our best lineman and many of you think that evans has been our best lineman, but evans has fallen off a bit and because of the pressure and responsibility of the LT position, brown has come out as the most important and best lineman on the team Faine was replaced by Goodwin. out of necessity, not talent......we didnt want to pay faine so he walked Nesbit was replaced by a rookie named Carl Nicks. carl nicks is one of the best young linemen in the league.....he will be our best lineman in a few years and he will be a stud.....nesbit was replaced because nicks was better Brown and now has been replaced by Bushrod and Strief. due to injury......brown has not been replaced because bushrod has been playing terribly and streif isnt as fast or as strong as brown I forgot who Evans replaced but he started while still inexperienced also. Stinchcomb has pretty much been the consistent on the line. Because of our system, regardless of their flaws, we're still a powerhouse offense as we're able to get the most out of our players at the position. this is a post just to get under my skin i think but its laughable at best......our offensive line isnt something we can mess with......it has helped create the #1 offense in the league and losing one of the cornerstones is a big deal.......anyway you spin it sure its a big deal if we lose vilma because we dont have a solid backup.....but its not a big deal because we lose the second most important position in all of football? im sorry but you are wrong here
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09-30-2009, 09:53 AM	#3
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,794	Re: Saints put LT BRown on IR Originally Posted by CantonLegend we have created stability, but not on the offensive line.....our offensive line has been pretty inconsistant if you look at the 3rd and shorts that we missed or if you look at the penalties And yet we're number one in the league on offense. I don't see how you can't put one and one together. Production is what matters... and we're producing. while brown was good for a few penalties every year, he was our best lineman and many of you think that evans has been our best lineman, but evans has fallen off a bit and because of the pressure and responsibility of the LT position, brown has come out as the most important and best lineman on the team I feel Brown is our best lineman also... never said he wasn't in the first place. You're preaching to the choir. out of necessity, not talent......we didnt want to pay faine so he walked carl nicks is one of the best young linemen in the league.....he will be our best lineman in a few years and he will be a stud.....nesbit was replaced because nicks was better due to injury......brown has not been replaced because bushrod has been playing terribly and streif isnt as fast or as strong as brown I'm showing you that we've been plugging just like the Pats and Indy has and we consistent produce at a high level? Does it matter why who replaced who? Whoever has been put there in that position, has produced. In highsight, it's easy to say Player A was better than Player B which is why they were replaced... in highsight. At that point in time which they were replaced, they were inexperienced young players with everything to prove. No one knew what to expect. this is a post just to get under my skin i think but its laughable at best......our offensive line isnt something we can mess with......it has helped create the #1 offense in the league and losing one of the cornerstones is a big deal.......anyway you spin it We have an it's working. The Pats have and it's worked. The Colts have and it's working. sure its a big deal if we lose vilma because we dont have a solid backup.....but its not a big deal because we lose the second most important position in all of football? im sorry but you are wrong here Huh? No one is saying it's not a big deal which is how you're interpreting this. What is being said is that we'll manage without him... life goes on. He's a Pro Bowl talent. It would be stupid to say he's not a big loss... which is why no one is saying it. Some just choose to be logical and optimistic at the same time... the sky isn't going to fall because Brown isn't on the field. We're not going to stop winning games because Brown isn't on the field. We're 3-0 with the top offense in the league again... he'll be missed but we'll survive.
	Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege. All little common sense goes a long way.

09-30-2009, 02:42 AM	#4
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Saints put LT BRown on IR I can not stand it any more! the left tackle issue! I have been waiting for this! No I wont do it Considering Bushrod has played in three games at LT I would grade him out as not bad. But i would keep assigning back up help on the left side. watch the RB on passing plays. Their first check down is almost always to Bushrods side. Marques Douglas and Vernon Gholston are on tabs for next week. They do not worry too much. David Harris worries me! splitting the gap. He has blitzing like crazy this year.

09-30-2009, 03:00 AM	#5
saintsrule 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 657	Re: Saints put LT BRown on IR I don't see where there is much that can be done now. Brown is on IR and can't come back this season, so they have to go with Bushrod. I just hope he is healthy because he had to come out of the game last week.
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09-30-2009, 07:16 AM	#6
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Saints put LT BRown on IR Both Bushrod and Strief has played well. A couple of sacks given up were on Brees for holding the ball too long. For Bushrod to equal Brown in preventing a couple sacks, all he has to do is grab hold of the jersey like Brown does and back us up 10 yards. Brown is a great RT and just slightly above average LT in my opinion. Now with all this said I think we know what should be targeted in the draft next year.

09-30-2009, 07:25 AM	#7
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Saints put LT BRown on IR Originally Posted by Budsdrinker Both Bushrod and Strief has played well. A couple of sacks given up were on Brees for holding the ball too long. For Bushrod to equal Brown in preventing a couple sacks, all he has to do is grab hold of the jersey like Brown does and back us up 10 yards. Brown is a great RT and just slightly above average LT in my opinion. Now with all this said I think we know what should be targeted in the draft next year. I'd target a RDE, or LDE, or OLB before a LT. We may target a LG, if we move Nicks to LT. My guess is we re-sign Brown and he continues to play above-average LT for us for several more years.

09-30-2009, 02:03 PM	#8
DeadmaN Saints Junky Join Date: May 2007 Location: Metairie Originally now a Houston transplant Posts: 672	Re: Saints put LT BRown on IR I think any player can play good one set of downs and get burned the next set no matter how good her or she is Sapp never got to the QB every play Rice never made a TD every time he caught the ball Remember any given Sunday By the way is that a dead horse I smell

09-30-2009, 02:03 PM	#9
DeadmaN Saints Junky Join Date: May 2007 Location: Metairie Originally now a Houston transplant Posts: 672	Re: Saints put LT BRown on IR oops I said she lol what an @$$

09-30-2009, 02:04 PM	#10
DeadmaN Saints Junky Join Date: May 2007 Location: Metairie Originally now a Houston transplant Posts: 672	Re: Saints put LT BRown on IR the dam edit isn't working