Decoy or No Decoy

neugey · 10-04-2009, 09:06 PM

I haven't given up on him. It was a fumble where he should have been holding on tighter - but at least he didn't run backwards and reverse field on a punt return today.

Payton should maybe put him in the backfield with PT or Bell more, then throw him those swing passes with the receivers blocking, those plays are money with his speed. Doesn't seem like we've been calling many of those lately.

Euphoria · 10-04-2009, 09:20 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

I haven't given up on him. It was a fumble where he should have been holding on tighter - but at least he didn't run backwards and reverse field on a punt return today.

Payton should maybe put him in the backfield with PT or Bell more, then throw him those swing passes with the receivers blocking, those plays are money with his speed. Doesn't seem like we've been calling many of those lately.

Why give him the ball if he is going to fumble it!!! He wasn't holding the ball correctly for where he was running. He should have rapped it up with both arms going through the line. So called RB and a pro should know better than that. And its not this one fumble... its been this way all freakin season. He has more fumbles than TD's already.

Sure a lot of teams would have him... then let them. Give us a good draft pick and we can call it a day.

bobad · 10-05-2009, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by neugey

Payton should maybe put him in the backfield with PT or Bell more, then throw him those swing passes with the receivers blocking, those plays are money with his speed. Doesn't seem like we've been calling many of those lately.

I agree, but Reggie doesn't look as fast as he used to. He's still a bit faster than Pierre and Bell, but has definitely lost a step.

I think Pierre is actually more dangerous on screens and flat passes than Reggie, because of his hands, vision, and ability to break tackles. I bet Bell would also be dangerous in space, but I don't know how reliable his hands are in the passing game.

BIGEASY504 · 10-05-2009, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by neugey

I haven't given up on him. It was a fumble where he should have been holding on tighter - but at least he didn't run backwards and reverse field on a punt return today.

Payton should maybe put him in the backfield with PT or Bell more, then throw him those swing passes with the receivers blocking, those plays are money with his speed. Doesn't seem like we've been calling many of those lately.

Sean will not let Bush leave, he loves the speed. Bush will take a pay cut, I think in general he’s been pressurized into a position he’s clearly not built for, so with that said he will get it together. He had some decent runs and after the fumble he held the ball with two hands. The coach is using him correctly because you can’t deny the home run factor. He reminds me of Eric Metcalfe not a true running back but some one who can break a game open at anytime. So his pay will reflect that during contract talks. I also think T. Holiday of LSU will have that same issue. and your points are on point Neugey he have to have the money plays for his speed

WVSaint · 10-04-2009, 09:28 PM

sure reggie can do things with the ball...but pierre is just as efficient and he doesnt fumble. payton took reggie out after that fumble and pierre gutted the jets D on the next drive. After this year his salary takes a huge jump and that money can be used elsewhere. id rather us use the money to keep evans and brown on the o-line.

Crusader · 10-05-2009, 03:02 AM

Originally Posted by WVSaint

sure reggie can do things with the ball...but pierre is just as efficient and he doesnt fumble. payton took reggie out after that fumble and pierre gutted the jets D on the next drive. After this year his salary takes a huge jump and that money can be used elsewhere. id rather us use the money to keep evans and brown on the o-line.

Well Pierre did fumble, the only difference was that his was recovered. Look at Bush's rushing stats. He had a 6.1 ypc average against one of the best defences in the leauge and made smart cuts to the outside. He is getting stuffed when there is nowhere to run, otherwise he's looking better this year.

boonedocksaint · 10-05-2009, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by Crusader

Well Pierre did fumble, the only difference was that his was recovered. Look at Bush's rushing stats. He had a 6.1 ypc average against one of the best defences in the leauge and made smart cuts to the outside. He is getting stuffed when there is nowhere to run, otherwise he's looking better this year.

agreed. he started off the game w/ 3 carries for 39 yards. he was running the ball well, he's just gotta work on ball security. he'll get it together as the year goes on. i'm not worried about him.

anybody notice his next carry after the fumble? it was a nice, tough, 4 or 5 yard carry, but, he was holding onto the ball for dear life!

spkb25 · 10-04-2009, 09:38 PM

Originally Posted by DblBogey

Decoy or no decoy Bush needs to get his $hit together or get the hell outta Nawlins!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hate to admit it, but you're right

QBREES9 · 10-04-2009, 09:45 PM

Let him play WR.

nutria · 10-05-2009, 07:03 AM

Originally Posted by QBREES9

Let him play WR.

All of this will go away if you quit calling him a running back. Let him line up as a slot receiver.

10-04-2009, 09:06 PM	#1
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,825 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Decoy or No Decoy I haven't given up on him. It was a fumble where he should have been holding on tighter - but at least he didn't run backwards and reverse field on a punt return today. Payton should maybe put him in the backfield with PT or Bell more, then throw him those swing passes with the receivers blocking, those plays are money with his speed. Doesn't seem like we've been calling many of those lately.

10-04-2009, 09:20 PM	#2
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Decoy or No Decoy Originally Posted by neugey I haven't given up on him. It was a fumble where he should have been holding on tighter - but at least he didn't run backwards and reverse field on a punt return today. Payton should maybe put him in the backfield with PT or Bell more, then throw him those swing passes with the receivers blocking, those plays are money with his speed. Doesn't seem like we've been calling many of those lately. Why give him the ball if he is going to fumble it!!! He wasn't holding the ball correctly for where he was running. He should have rapped it up with both arms going through the line. So called RB and a pro should know better than that. And its not this one fumble... its been this way all freakin season. He has more fumbles than TD's already. Sure a lot of teams would have him... then let them. Give us a good draft pick and we can call it a day.

10-05-2009, 08:29 AM	#3
bobad 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 247	Re: Decoy or No Decoy Originally Posted by neugey Payton should maybe put him in the backfield with PT or Bell more, then throw him those swing passes with the receivers blocking, those plays are money with his speed. Doesn't seem like we've been calling many of those lately. I agree, but Reggie doesn't look as fast as he used to. He's still a bit faster than Pierre and Bell, but has definitely lost a step. I think Pierre is actually more dangerous on screens and flat passes than Reggie, because of his hands, vision, and ability to break tackles. I bet Bell would also be dangerous in space, but I don't know how reliable his hands are in the passing game.
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10-05-2009, 09:57 AM	#4
BIGEASY504 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 487	Re: Decoy or No Decoy Originally Posted by neugey I haven't given up on him. It was a fumble where he should have been holding on tighter - but at least he didn't run backwards and reverse field on a punt return today. Payton should maybe put him in the backfield with PT or Bell more, then throw him those swing passes with the receivers blocking, those plays are money with his speed. Doesn't seem like we've been calling many of those lately. Sean will not let Bush leave, he loves the speed. Bush will take a pay cut, I think in general he’s been pressurized into a position he’s clearly not built for, so with that said he will get it together. He had some decent runs and after the fumble he held the ball with two hands. The coach is using him correctly because you can’t deny the home run factor. He reminds me of Eric Metcalfe not a true running back but some one who can break a game open at anytime. So his pay will reflect that during contract talks. I also think T. Holiday of LSU will have that same issue. and your points are on point Neugey he have to have the money plays for his speed
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10-04-2009, 09:28 PM	#5
WVSaint 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: West Virginia Posts: 807	Re: Decoy or No Decoy sure reggie can do things with the ball...but pierre is just as efficient and he doesnt fumble. payton took reggie out after that fumble and pierre gutted the jets D on the next drive. After this year his salary takes a huge jump and that money can be used elsewhere. id rather us use the money to keep evans and brown on the o-line.

10-05-2009, 03:02 AM	#6
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,033	Re: Decoy or No Decoy Originally Posted by WVSaint sure reggie can do things with the ball...but pierre is just as efficient and he doesnt fumble. payton took reggie out after that fumble and pierre gutted the jets D on the next drive. After this year his salary takes a huge jump and that money can be used elsewhere. id rather us use the money to keep evans and brown on the o-line. Well Pierre did fumble, the only difference was that his was recovered. Look at Bush's rushing stats. He had a 6.1 ypc average against one of the best defences in the leauge and made smart cuts to the outside. He is getting stuffed when there is nowhere to run, otherwise he's looking better this year.

10-05-2009, 12:05 PM	#7
boonedocksaint 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 340	Re: Decoy or No Decoy Originally Posted by Crusader Well Pierre did fumble, the only difference was that his was recovered. Look at Bush's rushing stats. He had a 6.1 ypc average against one of the best defences in the leauge and made smart cuts to the outside. He is getting stuffed when there is nowhere to run, otherwise he's looking better this year. agreed. he started off the game w/ 3 carries for 39 yards. he was running the ball well, he's just gotta work on ball security. he'll get it together as the year goes on. i'm not worried about him. anybody notice his next carry after the fumble? it was a nice, tough, 4 or 5 yard carry, but, he was holding onto the ball for dear life!

10-04-2009, 09:38 PM	#8
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,120	Re: Decoy or No Decoy Originally Posted by DblBogey Decoy or no decoy Bush needs to get his $hit together or get the hell outta Nawlins!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Hate to admit it, but you're right

10-04-2009, 09:45 PM	#9
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,989	Re: Decoy or No Decoy Let him play WR.

10-05-2009, 07:03 AM	#10
nutria Sac-A-Lait Join Date: May 2006 Location: Prairieville, LA Posts: 262	Re: Decoy or No Decoy Originally Posted by QBREES9 Let him play WR. All of this will go away if you quit calling him a running back. Let him line up as a slot receiver.