Decoy or No Decoy

bobad · 10-05-2009, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by neugey

Payton should maybe put him in the backfield with PT or Bell more, then throw him those swing passes with the receivers blocking, those plays are money with his speed. Doesn't seem like we've been calling many of those lately.

I agree, but Reggie doesn't look as fast as he used to. He's still a bit faster than Pierre and Bell, but has definitely lost a step.

I think Pierre is actually more dangerous on screens and flat passes than Reggie, because of his hands, vision, and ability to break tackles. I bet Bell would also be dangerous in space, but I don't know how reliable his hands are in the passing game.

CantonLegend · 10-05-2009, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by B_Dub_Saint

Everybody fumbles. Yall are jumpin the gun way to quick

3 fumbles in 4 games is attrocious

he only had 3 fumbles all last season

i love reggies play making ability but recently it just makes me nervous to see him touch the ball

reggie fumbles every 12 carries....thats a terrible ratio when players like LT are fumbling every 1000 or so carries....i know hes not LT but the fumble to carry ratio is what is going to cost him his job

on punt returns he calls for fair catches and then lets them bounce even further into our territory......when you fair catch a punt, you dont get hit but he still moves away from it

i would say move him to WR but im afraid we'll target him too much and he'll fumble there too

for now he needs to take his touches sparingly until he learns how to carry the ball

on another note, his first carry after the fumble he didnt try to juke or spin or cut.....he carried the ball with both arms and went straight forward....im all for that until he gets into open space, then do what you do reggie

xan · 10-05-2009, 09:38 AM

Opposing teams are driving 6 when Bush lines up in the backfield. Because of this, he's either forced to run E-W, which is death, or in passing situations, he's forced to stay and block rather than be an option out of the backfield. He's shown to be pretty decent at pass protection, but that's not a very good reason to pay this guy close to top 5 rb money.

Bush earns $2.6 million this season and is supposed to earn $8.0 million in 2010.

$8.0 MILLION.

I'm not a detractor, but I am a value based asset investor. What's ya'll read on this for next season?

BIGEASY504 · 10-05-2009, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by neugey

I haven't given up on him. It was a fumble where he should have been holding on tighter - but at least he didn't run backwards and reverse field on a punt return today.

Payton should maybe put him in the backfield with PT or Bell more, then throw him those swing passes with the receivers blocking, those plays are money with his speed. Doesn't seem like we've been calling many of those lately.

Sean will not let Bush leave, he loves the speed. Bush will take a pay cut, I think in general he’s been pressurized into a position he’s clearly not built for, so with that said he will get it together. He had some decent runs and after the fumble he held the ball with two hands. The coach is using him correctly because you can’t deny the home run factor. He reminds me of Eric Metcalfe not a true running back but some one who can break a game open at anytime. So his pay will reflect that during contract talks. I also think T. Holiday of LSU will have that same issue. and your points are on point Neugey he have to have the money plays for his speed

bobad · 10-05-2009, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by xan

Opposing teams are driving 6 when Bush lines up in the backfield. Because of this, he's either forced to run E-W, which is death, or in passing situations, he's forced to stay and block rather than be an option out of the backfield. He's shown to be pretty decent at pass protection, but that's not a very good reason to pay this guy close to top 5 rb money.

Bush earns $2.6 million this season and is supposed to earn $8.0 million in 2010.

$8.0 MILLION.

I'm not a detractor, but I am a value based asset investor. What's ya'll read on this for next season?

Not a cap expert, but I do know we have 4 or 5 key players to sign. This includes Pierre, Lance, and (gulp!) Sharper. I expect for Sharper to get an extension any day.

So it's looking bad for Reggie unless he turns it around quickly.

exile · 10-05-2009, 10:10 AM

Besides the fumble I thought that Bush has a pretty good game. There were a few runs/catches that he made where he got past the corner and if it was Pierre it probably wouldn't have happened.

Pierre did fumble which has been mentioned and Mike Bell had a very costly fumble against Detroit. It happens.

Bush isn't Barry Sanders but he gets more yards than he gets credit for gaining. I think he stays around for awhile.

foreverfan · 10-05-2009, 10:32 AM

It's a long season... I haven't given up on him but he needs to do better.

I don't see how the Saints can justify his salary next year.

woody · 10-05-2009, 10:41 AM

no excuse for the fumble, but i think we would see a bigger inpact from him if we were playing from behind. playing with a lead is pierre territory.

Frederick Smith · 10-05-2009, 10:54 AM

Beyond a doubt Reggie will not see that money from T. Benson next year. He still has a shot of retaining his pride though and I hope he comes through and contributes. He is approaching the underachiever bust title and he is responsible for the doubt he has placed on us the fans and the coach.

DblBogey · 10-05-2009, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by exile

Besides the fumble I thought that Bush has a pretty good game. There were a few runs/catches that he made where he got past the corner and if it was Pierre it probably wouldn't have happened.

Pierre did fumble which has been mentioned and Mike Bell had a very costly fumble against Detroit. It happens.

Bush isn't Barry Sanders but he gets more yards than he gets credit for gaining. I think he stays around for awhile.

Now that I have been overcome with a calmer mindset I think I know why it is very difficult seeing Reggie faltering. It all boils down to expectations. Our expectations of what RB are is dramatically different than that of PT23 or Bell. The fact is we/I bought into the hype that came with RB and I just have not seen it nor has he lived up to my expectations. I either have to lower my expectations or RB has to raise his bar. Not sure but one of them has to happen.

10-05-2009, 08:29 AM	#21
bobad 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 247	Re: Decoy or No Decoy Originally Posted by neugey Payton should maybe put him in the backfield with PT or Bell more, then throw him those swing passes with the receivers blocking, those plays are money with his speed. Doesn't seem like we've been calling many of those lately. I agree, but Reggie doesn't look as fast as he used to. He's still a bit faster than Pierre and Bell, but has definitely lost a step. I think Pierre is actually more dangerous on screens and flat passes than Reggie, because of his hands, vision, and ability to break tackles. I bet Bell would also be dangerous in space, but I don't know how reliable his hands are in the passing game.
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10-05-2009, 09:12 AM	#22
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Decoy or No Decoy Originally Posted by B_Dub_Saint Everybody fumbles. Yall are jumpin the gun way to quick 3 fumbles in 4 games is attrocious he only had 3 fumbles all last season i love reggies play making ability but recently it just makes me nervous to see him touch the ball reggie fumbles every 12 carries....thats a terrible ratio when players like LT are fumbling every 1000 or so carries....i know hes not LT but the fumble to carry ratio is what is going to cost him his job on punt returns he calls for fair catches and then lets them bounce even further into our territory......when you fair catch a punt, you dont get hit but he still moves away from it i would say move him to WR but im afraid we'll target him too much and he'll fumble there too for now he needs to take his touches sparingly until he learns how to carry the ball on another note, his first carry after the fumble he didnt try to juke or spin or cut.....he carried the ball with both arms and went straight forward....im all for that until he gets into open space, then do what you do reggie
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10-05-2009, 09:38 AM	#23
xan Professor Crab and Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Princeton Posts: 3,373 Blog Entries: 34	Re: Decoy or No Decoy Opposing teams are driving 6 when Bush lines up in the backfield. Because of this, he's either forced to run E-W, which is death, or in passing situations, he's forced to stay and block rather than be an option out of the backfield. He's shown to be pretty decent at pass protection, but that's not a very good reason to pay this guy close to top 5 rb money. Bush earns $2.6 million this season and is supposed to earn $8.0 million in 2010. $8.0 MILLION. I'm not a detractor, but I am a value based asset investor. What's ya'll read on this for next season?
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10-05-2009, 09:57 AM	#24
BIGEASY504 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 487	Re: Decoy or No Decoy Originally Posted by neugey I haven't given up on him. It was a fumble where he should have been holding on tighter - but at least he didn't run backwards and reverse field on a punt return today. Payton should maybe put him in the backfield with PT or Bell more, then throw him those swing passes with the receivers blocking, those plays are money with his speed. Doesn't seem like we've been calling many of those lately. Sean will not let Bush leave, he loves the speed. Bush will take a pay cut, I think in general he’s been pressurized into a position he’s clearly not built for, so with that said he will get it together. He had some decent runs and after the fumble he held the ball with two hands. The coach is using him correctly because you can’t deny the home run factor. He reminds me of Eric Metcalfe not a true running back but some one who can break a game open at anytime. So his pay will reflect that during contract talks. I also think T. Holiday of LSU will have that same issue. and your points are on point Neugey he have to have the money plays for his speed
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10-05-2009, 09:59 AM	#25
bobad 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 247	Re: Decoy or No Decoy Originally Posted by xan Opposing teams are driving 6 when Bush lines up in the backfield. Because of this, he's either forced to run E-W, which is death, or in passing situations, he's forced to stay and block rather than be an option out of the backfield. He's shown to be pretty decent at pass protection, but that's not a very good reason to pay this guy close to top 5 rb money. Bush earns $2.6 million this season and is supposed to earn $8.0 million in 2010. $8.0 MILLION. I'm not a detractor, but I am a value based asset investor. What's ya'll read on this for next season? Not a cap expert, but I do know we have 4 or 5 key players to sign. This includes Pierre, Lance, and (gulp!) Sharper. I expect for Sharper to get an extension any day. So it's looking bad for Reggie unless he turns it around quickly.
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exile Cake or Death? Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,608	Re: Decoy or No Decoy Besides the fumble I thought that Bush has a pretty good game. There were a few runs/catches that he made where he got past the corner and if it was Pierre it probably wouldn't have happened. Pierre did fumble which has been mentioned and Mike Bell had a very costly fumble against Detroit. It happens. Bush isn't Barry Sanders but he gets more yards than he gets credit for gaining. I think he stays around for awhile.
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10-05-2009, 10:32 AM	#27
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Decoy or No Decoy It's a long season... I haven't given up on him but he needs to do better. I don't see how the Saints can justify his salary next year.

10-05-2009, 10:41 AM	#28
woody 100th Post Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 181	Re: Decoy or No Decoy no excuse for the fumble, but i think we would see a bigger inpact from him if we were playing from behind. playing with a lead is pierre territory.
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10-05-2009, 10:54 AM	#29
Frederick Smith SaintsFan101 Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 217	Re: Decoy or No Decoy Beyond a doubt Reggie will not see that money from T. Benson next year. He still has a shot of retaining his pride though and I hope he comes through and contributes. He is approaching the underachiever bust title and he is responsible for the doubt he has placed on us the fans and the coach.

10-05-2009, 11:58 AM	#30
DblBogey 500th Post Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 538	Re: Decoy or No Decoy Originally Posted by exile Besides the fumble I thought that Bush has a pretty good game. There were a few runs/catches that he made where he got past the corner and if it was Pierre it probably wouldn't have happened. Pierre did fumble which has been mentioned and Mike Bell had a very costly fumble against Detroit. It happens. Bush isn't Barry Sanders but he gets more yards than he gets credit for gaining. I think he stays around for awhile. Now that I have been overcome with a calmer mindset I think I know why it is very difficult seeing Reggie faltering. It all boils down to expectations. Our expectations of what RB are is dramatically different than that of PT23 or Bell. The fact is we/I bought into the hype that came with RB and I just have not seen it nor has he lived up to my expectations. I either have to lower my expectations or RB has to raise his bar. Not sure but one of them has to happen.
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