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Is it me or has it seemed like the past 2 weeks some of the offensive play calls have been.... meh.

Don't get me wrong, not complaining, but today the calls on the goal line, a few missed 4th down and 1's...

Was it the Jets D, or our play call combined?

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i didnt like going for it 4th and 1 early in the game, but other than that i think drew has been a bit off the last few weeks. im starting to wonder if that shoulder injury is bothering him more than theyre letting on.

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Or was Payton just that confident about the defense??

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true, our Defense pulled us out. We have a nice D man.

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I dont think Drew was off. I dont know if you guys were watching the game but the Jets corners were freakin good. Revis is a beast. He contested every ball Drew Brees threw his way. Only time Brees had sucess was at the middle of the field.

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i'm with ya on that, but....i had to much to drink to give ya some input

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I liked it. I thought we showed confidence, not desperation.


[QUOTE=WVSaint;168595] but other than that i think drew has been a bit off the last few weeks. im starting to wonder if that shoulder injury is bothering him more than theyre letting on.


Keep in mind that Drew was throwing into very tight coverage today. Basically, he was throwing passes that could only be caught by our receivers. I did notice that the overthrew players for once.

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Jets defense was good, no denying that here.

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play calling could have been better. With that kind of pressure there should have been more quick slants.

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Back when the defense was that bad, I think he would have punted. Now that we have a respectable defense, we can afford to take some chances. If those plays would have went our way, the game could have been blown wide open. It's quite comforting to know the defense has the offense's back.

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Agreed. We haven't been able to depend on the defense to make plays for years. I also agree that we played a good defense this week and last.

Going into the bye 4 and 0 is a dream.

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Play calling was good... its easy to second guess someone after the fact. You have to credit the Jets D they are a good group and well coached.

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Also, would like to have seen more Pierre screens and TE screens.

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It had nothing to do with the 4th and 1's. It was the bullsh!t conservative play calling in the 3rd quarter. Dont get me wrong, I am more than happy about 4-0, but we have to put the dagger in the hearts of other teams to seal the win. The #1 offense has been shut down by 2 good D's the past couple of weeks, but thats no excuse for the plays that were called in the 3rd. JMHO

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Lets see...last couple of years rather silly play calling on offense and mediocre defense has resulted in no playoffs.

This year so far the defense is playing well and the offense isn't taking chances and the Saints are 4-0.

I'm pretty sure I'll take this style.

Drew Brees looked down field several times and checked down because there was no reason to heave the ball unless the receiver was wide open.

No interceptions.

No need for quick slants when Pierre Thomas is averaging 4 yards a carry.

Even Reggie Bush averaged 6 yards a carry.

I think it is a sign of coaching maturity that the Saints don't give games away.

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I liked it.

Payton HAD to go for it on 4th. We told him to from the stands. Blame us.

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Couple ways to look at 4th and 1.

If you don't make it your defense has an opportunity and as we saw that opportunity pretty much sealed the game.

If the Saints kick a field goal then the Jets get a chance on Special teams.

Right now I'd rather trust the defense to pin a rookie QB in the endzone than a suspect Special Teams unit.

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special teams and the kicking game is there for a reason......we went for it 3 times on 4th down against the jets instead of taking the points

always always take the points.....it'll come back to help later.....against the giants we wont be so lucky....we need to start playing smarter football from the top down

carney is one of the most accurate kickers in the league...he isnt known for having the strongest leg but the longest fg we would've attempted was 48 yards and that is easily in carney's range......

morestead is one of the best young punters in the league and he has the leg to pin any team back from almost anywhere on the field.....why didnt we punt or kick more?......stupid

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I don't think anything has changed much with Payton...once a gambler always a gambler. I watch the Giants a lot and there is no doubt in my mind that Coughlin would have opted for the FG's in those situations. If Carney can't make 'em from 47, then we need to get Hartley back. (I'm a Carney fan, though, and I think he would've nailed it.)

The difference, however, is the defense...and anyone who denies it hasn't been paying attention. I love the style of defense we are playing now and wonder why it took so long. In the past, the defense would've folded and Payton would pay for his risk-taking, but this defense has his back.

This team is for real.

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When Bell gets healthy, they should pound teams with the run and pass off that. And get Bush to call Tiki Barber. He was on the way out of the NFL before he learned how to carry and protect the ball.

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Carney can make 53. Saw him do it a couple of times yesterday easily, and I think he's stable enough to do the same thing in a game that he does in warmups.

Wasnt Hartley missing extra points in preseason?

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Um.....the Saints kicker is a little old and doesn't have the range to kick from past about the 30 yard line so some of that "take the points" is really "punt" or worse miss the field goal and spot the other side with good field position.

If the Saints had a big leg kicker I guarantee Payton takes a shot at a couple field goals but with the NFL Methuselah field goals need to be close in.

Special Teams is the weakness on this Saints team and Payton seems to realize that.

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I gotta say that you have to give credit to the Jets D, they are awesome. That being said, the Bills also made our offense disappear. Two weeks now without any offense to speak of, it's enough to make one worry. Something is wrong. Is it our LT missing that's leading to this far more conservative style? Is it the strategy used by the two defenses who have shut us down (neither seemed to worry much about pressure and instead played a lot of bump and run with a lot of people dropping into coverage)? Whatever it is, a good coach adjusts and I'll be keenly watching to see if we can adjust and turn our offense back on. The defense won't play rookies and backups all year.

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I think he makes it from the 1 for sure, though.

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hartley went 2 for 4 on FG attempts before his suspension this preseason

carney went 1 for 2 on FG attempts in the preseason

now carney has already missed a field goal in the regular season

im not saying payton doesnt trust carney.....but coaches know when to take the points and when we were only a TD up it was smarter to take the points....we didnt kick it and i think thats because of paytons lack of trust in carney

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Not getting it on 4th down is a matter of the Jets having a damn good D-line and our O-line not generating enough push, nothing wrong with the playcall. Our OL is getting there thou and soon we will convert more of those than we fail.

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I disagree that our offense has disappeared. The rushing game has been stronger than ever and our pass plays are calculated and they get positive yards. I think Payton is finally confident in the defense and doesn't have to take as many risks as before. The motto now is "control" vs "air it out"

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negative.

Like I said in another thread, Carney's range, as he demonstrates in warmups is 53. Solid. It wasnt longshot kicking, or taking a crack at it. It was solid. The snap for 53 is from the 35 yard line, which is only a few yards less than average. The Jets kicker, whoever he was, attempted a long FG in warmups from 55 only--- and he was missing.

In kicking, age is much less a factor than psyche. I'll take an old guy that's been there, dealt with the pressure, and missed an extra point in Jacksonville, over a whippersnapper w/ a bigger leg.

Morten kicked well into his 40s-- effectively. George Blanda kicked at 50.
And dammit, 40 is not old, ok? This is getting personal now.
Yeah, but "air it out" is so fun. ... and scary...

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I loved the fact that they went for it on 4th and 1 at the goal line!

Were we up 10 nothing at that point? I can't remember for sure...
If you take 3 there, Jets need only two TD's to take the lead.

The fact that they didn't make the TD on 4th down resulted in the Jets being pinned at their own goal line, with a rookie QB, on the road, in a dome, against an aggressive D. It was a recipe for success in my opinion.

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a recipe for success is taking the points

our offense struggles but our defense was playing well.......let the points accumulate slowly and add up.....our defense will hold them but only for so long....do we take the points then give the ball back, or miss the 4th down play and then give the ball back?

always always take the points

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If we kick it, we get three instead of seven.
when we turned it over on downs, Sanchez fumbled in the end zone and we got seven. If I'm coaching, there isn't many situations I dont go for it from the 1 yd line.

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im not going to say it......but you know i could

in hindsight its alright.....in the middle of the game its never the best thing to do

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It works on Madden, lol....

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lol you're gonna have to teach me those tricks then cuz im terrible at madden

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Goal line call was not really that bad. As it turned out kept them pinned near the goal line and resulted in 7 points anyway. May have been some luck there. Against more powerful offenses I would lean toward taking the points though. Can't argue with the play calling. The Saints are finally being smart and taking what the oposition is giving them instead of forcing the ball like we did last year. Thw "W" is what matters most no matter how it is achieved. Just WIN baby!

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In many (most?) cases, I'd agree... take the points. But the Saints' D had been playing well so far. And with the Jets having a pretty good record at 3-0, I was all for trying to stretch the lead as much as possible.

There are times to kick, and there are times to go for it. In my opinion, that was a "Go for it" moment... a situation where an aggressive attitude and an aggressive call was appropriate.

You also have to consider where you're giving the ball back. By not making the TD, N.O. gave it back at the goal line... given the circumstances I'd mentioned, something good should (and did) come out of that.

If, at that point, they let the Jets drive all the way down and score, they deserved it. I figured, worse case for the Saints, Jets would go 3 and out, punt from the end zone and give N.O. possesion Jets territory. But, my guess was wrong... The D came up with a big play and scored.

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hell....as a fan i was screaming at my tv....i wanted them to go for it so bad and make the jets play catch up the rest of the game.....but the coach in me was saying, be smart....take the points...we'll need them later

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i dont get why ya'll are complaining about payton's play calls. HELLO!? we are 4-0! i'm happy payton isnt calling these stupid double reverses when we're trying to run the ball to close out the game! i've always loved payton, but, hated how he tried to get too cute sometimes. he's playing conservative, for the most part, and playing smart. i'm happy. why do we need to score 40 points a game when our defense is playing so well? why not make it easy, and just run the ball! it's working! in the third quarter i was saying, we might as well just keep running it. they're stopping the pass, but, not the run. go w/ what works! the run was working yesterday. even reggie, to start the game, was 3 attempts for 39 yards yesterday!

as far as going for it on 4th and goal, it was the right thing to do. i was telling my friends, we are gonna go for it. it just made sense. we had a 10 point lead, our defense was playing well, so, why not? even if we didnt punch it in, the jets would have the ball on the one yard line, so, when it didnt work i was thinking, ok, safety time! turns out even better when we got 7 points instead of two!

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thats some nice "hindsight you got
there.