"I hope you're watching!"

Tobias-Reiper · 10-05-2009, 05:43 PM

Originally Posted by B_Dub_Saint

How bout PT's fumble yesterday and a helmetless Drew Brees that had to dive in a recover the ball for us. No one mentions that. Everyone just wants to bash Bush because he's an easy target. No one looks at all the great runs and blitz pick up's he had yesterday. I'm not gonna flame you, just say that you and all of the Bush haters have your mind so made up on him, that you wont pour out any other criticism where it needs to be. I dont think we should bench Bush nor ever think about it. I guess he is our new punching bag since Jason David got cut.

No one mentions PT's fumble because
a) that was PT's first fumble this season
b) PT's performance in both the Buffalo and Jets games.
c) PT is an undrafted free agent who won the staring RB job.
d) people give much more credit to a RB who pounds the ball and needs 2-3 guys to bring him down vs a RB who fumbles when a stiff wind blows near him.

I have given Reggie much slack because what he meant for the team and the city when he was drafted, and because,time to time, you get to see a flash of brilliance that leaves you in awe. But now he has reached Devery-status with me.

PT, on the other hand, has reached "poor man's Emmitt Smith" status with me.

I'm not going to root for Reggie to screw up, but I surely want to see PT and Bell carry the ball, and Lance just call for fair catches on punts...

Cassady37 · 10-05-2009, 05:09 PM

Hmmm..wanna compare stats this year?
Reggie:WK OPP RESULT Rushing Receiving Fumbles
Att Yds Avg Lng TD Rec Yds Avg Lng TD FUM Lost
2 @ PHI W 48-22 10 33 3.3 19T 1 3 42 14.0 29 0 -- --
3 @ BUF W 27-7 13 64 4.9 17 0 3 17 5.7 12 0 -- --
4 NYJ W 24-10 6 37 6.2 12 0 3 7 2.3 4 0 1 1

P.T.=3 @ BUF W 27-7 14 126 9.0 34T 2 -- -- -- -- -- -- --
4 NYJ W 24-10 19 86 4.5 18 1 4 46 11.5 36 0 1 0

Anything leap out at ya? How about P.T.= 212 yards rushing, 3 TD's
R.B.= 131 yards rushing, 1 TD
And if P.T. starts to look like Reggie with his backward-ass running and sideways running, then I would be all over hime, but DOH! Doesn't happen.

MatthewT · 10-05-2009, 05:23 PM

Reggie is having a pretty tough year. He is running a little better the past couple of weeks, but all the fumbling is a major concern. I think he will bounce back and have a good season.

B_Dub_Saint · 10-05-2009, 06:12 PM

Who gives a crap about the stats from yesterday. The OP talked about did you see Reggie get his ass chewed, not who had the better game stats wise. My point was not to point out stats, they all contributed in the win some how or another. The point I was trying to make is that everyone gets down on Reggie when he screws up but no one talks about other mistakes that other players make. It just so easy for people to jump on the Reggie Bush bash-wagon that they let other people slip away. When Mike Bell fumbled and it was returned for a TD all people talked about was Reggie. It just gets old after a while. Look I not saying the guy has played lights out by any means but the Bush bash-wagon gets old. Hey we won the game so get over it. This team is good... finally. Enjoy the win and quit all the *****ing.

ArmySaintFan · 10-05-2009, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by B_Dub_Saint

Who gives a crap about the stats from yesterday. The OP talked about did you see Reggie get his ass chewed, not who had the better game stats wise. My point was not to point out stats, they all contributed in the win some how or another. The point I was trying to make is that everyone gets down on Reggie when he screws up but no one talks about other mistakes that other players make. It just so easy for people to jump on the Reggie Bush bash-wagon that they let other people slip away. When Mike Bell fumbled and it was returned for a TD all people talked about was Reggie. It just gets old after a while. Look I not saying the guy has played lights out by any means but the Bush bash-wagon gets old. Hey we won the game so get over it. This team is good... finally. Enjoy the win and quit all the *****ing.

Wow now that was the best post ever....thank you couldn't have said it better. I have said before did anyone expect reggie to run anyone over or be a power back when he got here if so maybe you need to go back and review USC game tape!! how about we not worry about what reggie makes leave the business side to the front office and lets be football fans! give the kid a break I think everyone can see he gives effort you cant' deny him that he tries if anything tries too hard let the season progress a little he will come around. lets try something new as Saints fans...lets try supporting our team our entire team...we have a good one and everyone contributes and everyone makes mistakes so lets just focus on the fact that we are 4-0 ...leave it to us to be 4-0 and not be a fluke 4-0 we are undefeated because we are a good team playing good ball and still find the time to be critical just be happy we aren't the bucs or panthers!!

skymike · 10-05-2009, 06:36 PM

Originally Posted by B_Dub_Saint

Enjoy the win and quit all the *****ing.

LOL....

alright kids, go back to class now. hahaha...

Euphoria · 10-05-2009, 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by B_Dub_Saint

Who gives a crap about the stats from yesterday. The OP talked about did you see Reggie get his ass chewed, not who had the better game stats wise. My point was not to point out stats, they all contributed in the win some how or another. The point I was trying to make is that everyone gets down on Reggie when he screws up but no one talks about other mistakes that other players make. It just so easy for people to jump on the Reggie Bush bash-wagon that they let other people slip away. When Mike Bell fumbled and it was returned for a TD all people talked about was Reggie. It just gets old after a while. Look I not saying the guy has played lights out by any means but the Bush bash-wagon gets old. Hey we won the game so get over it. This team is good... finally. Enjoy the win and quit all the *****ing.

Stats have everything to do with it!!!

The comparison is what the players contribute to a win. You don't get rid of Payton Manning cause he threw an INT. Give me a break! Its what a player contributes to a teams success. Right now Reggie is in the NEGATIVE. More fumbles and stupid mistakes for his draft pick and money he is making. Brees has a couple of INTS this season do we cut him uhm duh no. His contributions far out weight the INT's.

If you have a Bush jersey at the end of the season I'll offer you 2 bucks for it so I can use it to wash my car with or if it keeps going my butt with, lol.

Hey I want to love the guy and I will cheer my butt off for the guy if he earns it. Fact is he is earning what he is getting from us and he is playing like crap and deserves crap.

FrenzyFan · 10-06-2009, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Stats have everything to do with it!!!

The comparison is what the players contribute to a win. You don't get rid of Payton Manning cause he threw an INT. Give me a break! Its what a player contributes to a teams success. Right now Reggie is in the NEGATIVE. More fumbles and stupid mistakes for his draft pick and money he is making. Brees has a couple of INTS this season do we cut him uhm duh no. His contributions far out weight the INT's.

If you have a Bush jersey at the end of the season I'll offer you 2 bucks for it so I can use it to wash my car with or if it keeps going my butt with, lol.

Hey I want to love the guy and I will cheer my butt off for the guy if he earns it. Fact is he is earning what he is getting from us and he is playing like crap and deserves crap.

Since I work with statistics as a daily part of my job, I can tell you one thing about them with complete confidence. There are only statistics for what you measure. Makes sense, right?

When someone starts measuring the impact Bush has on a defense, just because he's on the field and regardless if he gets the ball, I'll think it might be possible to lean on stats as my only means of evaluating his contribution.

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

this is a prime example of someone completely missing the point

reggie fumbles but doesnt lead the league in rushing and isnt supposed to be the best running back of all time by the end of his career.....some of these things are done and said about adrian peterson

It is not an equal comparison. It is also a typical example of the absolute garbage that comes out of the sensationalized news coverage of modern athletic events. Peterson to be one of the greatest of all time, eh? He's Walter Payton, Gale Sayers, Barry Sanders, Jim Brown, eh? I'm not aiming this at Canton, because he's just quoting a sports media culture that lacks any semblance of credibility.

One thing is a fact. Peterson has a bad fumbling problem and the national media IS pointing it out.

CantonLegend · 10-06-2009, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by FrenzyFan

Since I work with statistics as a daily part of my job, I can tell you one thing about them with complete confidence. There are only statistics for what you measure. Makes sense, right?

When someone starts measuring the impact Bush has on a defense, just because he's on the field and regardless if he gets the ball, I'll think it might be possible to lean on stats as my only means of evaluating his contribution.

It is not an equal comparison. It is also a typical example of the absolute garbage that comes out of the sensationalized news coverage of modern athletic events. Peterson to be one of the greatest of all time, eh? He's Walter Payton, Gale Sayers, Barry Sanders, Jim Brown, eh? I'm not aiming this at Canton, because he's just quoting a sports media culture that lacks any semblance of credibility.

One thing is a fact. Peterson has a bad fumbling problem and the national media IS pointing it out.

you will never hear me say he is better than guys like walter payton and barry sanders.....jim brown was before his time and while i would immediately rank him in the top 3 ever, i just think it had a lot to do with him being before his time

gale sayers isnt in the same sentence as walter payton, barry sanders and jim brown even tho he is a hall of famer as well

walter payton is the epitome of what a running back should be....he was quick on his feet....he was strong and strong willed....he was quiet to the media but a great influence to kids and a great volunteer in the community

emmit smith has the rushing record....but walter payton still has the title as best running back ever IMO

like you said....i was just regurgitating the media but the comparison is still nonsense

FrenzyFan · 10-06-2009, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

gale sayers isnt in the same sentence as walter payton, barry sanders and jim brown even tho he is a hall of famer as well

I agree with everything you said, especially about Sweetness being the absolute greatest running back of all time. However, this statement struck me as odd.

I know Sayers' career was short because of injury, but the guy was simply amazing. Many players who played against him (and other names on our short list) still regard Sayers as the greatest half back that ever played the game. He scored 22 TD in his rookie season, about 1 TD for every 10 touches. He scored 6 TDs (4 rushing, 1 receiving, and 1 punt return) in one game against the 49ers, and in that game the field was a sloshy mud-bowl. Sayers still leads the league for TDs among kickoff returners all time (with at least four TDs). He only had 91 returns, and 6 were TDs. To put it in a modern perspective, Devin Hester has 6 TDs over 94 returns - but Sayers return average is 6 yards per return better and he has 600 more return yards than Hester with 3 fewer total returns!

Finally, Sayers made the HoF with only five years in the NFL. That's virtually unheard of. While Payton still is the ultimate in RB perfection in every facet of the game on and off the field, I do not think there's any overstatement to put Sayers' name in the same sentence with him.

Just my opinion, of course.

10-05-2009, 05:43 PM	#1
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Anyone else see Payton on the sideline.... Originally Posted by B_Dub_Saint How bout PT's fumble yesterday and a helmetless Drew Brees that had to dive in a recover the ball for us. No one mentions that. Everyone just wants to bash Bush because he's an easy target. No one looks at all the great runs and blitz pick up's he had yesterday. I'm not gonna flame you, just say that you and all of the Bush haters have your mind so made up on him, that you wont pour out any other criticism where it needs to be. I dont think we should bench Bush nor ever think about it. I guess he is our new punching bag since Jason David got cut. No one mentions PT's fumble because a) that was PT's first fumble this season b) PT's performance in both the Buffalo and Jets games. c) PT is an undrafted free agent who won the staring RB job. d) people give much more credit to a RB who pounds the ball and needs 2-3 guys to bring him down vs a RB who fumbles when a stiff wind blows near him. I have given Reggie much slack because what he meant for the team and the city when he was drafted, and because,time to time, you get to see a flash of brilliance that leaves you in awe. But now he has reached Devery-status with me. PT, on the other hand, has reached "poor man's Emmitt Smith" status with me. I'm not going to root for Reggie to screw up, but I surely want to see PT and Bell carry the ball, and Lance just call for fair catches on punts...
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10-05-2009, 05:09 PM	#2
Cassady37 100th Post Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Kilgore, Texas Posts: 337	Re: Anyone else see Payton on the sideline.... Hmmm..wanna compare stats this year? Reggie:WK OPP RESULT Rushing Receiving Fumbles Att Yds Avg Lng TD Rec Yds Avg Lng TD FUM Lost 2 @ PHI W 48-22 10 33 3.3 19T 1 3 42 14.0 29 0 -- -- 3 @ BUF W 27-7 13 64 4.9 17 0 3 17 5.7 12 0 -- -- 4 NYJ W 24-10 6 37 6.2 12 0 3 7 2.3 4 0 1 1 P.T.=3 @ BUF W 27-7 14 126 9.0 34T 2 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- 4 NYJ W 24-10 19 86 4.5 18 1 4 46 11.5 36 0 1 0 Anything leap out at ya? How about P.T.= 212 yards rushing, 3 TD's R.B.= 131 yards rushing, 1 TD And if P.T. starts to look like Reggie with his backward-ass running and sideways running, then I would be all over hime, but DOH! Doesn't happen.

10-05-2009, 05:23 PM	#3
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: Anyone else see Payton on the sideline.... Reggie is having a pretty tough year. He is running a little better the past couple of weeks, but all the fumbling is a major concern. I think he will bounce back and have a good season.

10-05-2009, 06:12 PM	#4
B_Dub_Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Lafayette, LA Posts: 2,345 Blog Entries: 1	Re: "I hope you're watching!" Who gives a crap about the stats from yesterday. The OP talked about did you see Reggie get his ass chewed, not who had the better game stats wise. My point was not to point out stats, they all contributed in the win some how or another. The point I was trying to make is that everyone gets down on Reggie when he screws up but no one talks about other mistakes that other players make. It just so easy for people to jump on the Reggie Bush bash-wagon that they let other people slip away. When Mike Bell fumbled and it was returned for a TD all people talked about was Reggie. It just gets old after a while. Look I not saying the guy has played lights out by any means but the Bush bash-wagon gets old. Hey we won the game so get over it. This team is good... finally. Enjoy the win and quit all the *****ing.
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10-05-2009, 06:35 PM	#5
ArmySaintFan Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 171	Re: "I hope you're watching!" Originally Posted by B_Dub_Saint Who gives a crap about the stats from yesterday. The OP talked about did you see Reggie get his ass chewed, not who had the better game stats wise. My point was not to point out stats, they all contributed in the win some how or another. The point I was trying to make is that everyone gets down on Reggie when he screws up but no one talks about other mistakes that other players make. It just so easy for people to jump on the Reggie Bush bash-wagon that they let other people slip away. When Mike Bell fumbled and it was returned for a TD all people talked about was Reggie. It just gets old after a while. Look I not saying the guy has played lights out by any means but the Bush bash-wagon gets old. Hey we won the game so get over it. This team is good... finally. Enjoy the win and quit all the *****ing. Wow now that was the best post ever....thank you couldn't have said it better. I have said before did anyone expect reggie to run anyone over or be a power back when he got here if so maybe you need to go back and review USC game tape!! how about we not worry about what reggie makes leave the business side to the front office and lets be football fans! give the kid a break I think everyone can see he gives effort you cant' deny him that he tries if anything tries too hard let the season progress a little he will come around. lets try something new as Saints fans...lets try supporting our team our entire team...we have a good one and everyone contributes and everyone makes mistakes so lets just focus on the fact that we are 4-0 ...leave it to us to be 4-0 and not be a fluke 4-0 we are undefeated because we are a good team playing good ball and still find the time to be critical just be happy we aren't the bucs or panthers!!

10-05-2009, 06:36 PM	#6
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10-05-2009, 09:11 PM	#7
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: "I hope you're watching!" Originally Posted by B_Dub_Saint Who gives a crap about the stats from yesterday. The OP talked about did you see Reggie get his ass chewed, not who had the better game stats wise. My point was not to point out stats, they all contributed in the win some how or another. The point I was trying to make is that everyone gets down on Reggie when he screws up but no one talks about other mistakes that other players make. It just so easy for people to jump on the Reggie Bush bash-wagon that they let other people slip away. When Mike Bell fumbled and it was returned for a TD all people talked about was Reggie. It just gets old after a while. Look I not saying the guy has played lights out by any means but the Bush bash-wagon gets old. Hey we won the game so get over it. This team is good... finally. Enjoy the win and quit all the *****ing. Stats have everything to do with it!!! The comparison is what the players contribute to a win. You don't get rid of Payton Manning cause he threw an INT. Give me a break! Its what a player contributes to a teams success. Right now Reggie is in the NEGATIVE. More fumbles and stupid mistakes for his draft pick and money he is making. Brees has a couple of INTS this season do we cut him uhm duh no. His contributions far out weight the INT's. If you have a Bush jersey at the end of the season I'll offer you 2 bucks for it so I can use it to wash my car with or if it keeps going my butt with, lol. Hey I want to love the guy and I will cheer my butt off for the guy if he earns it. Fact is he is earning what he is getting from us and he is playing like crap and deserves crap.
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10-06-2009, 12:15 PM	#8
FrenzyFan 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 406	Re: "I hope you're watching!" Originally Posted by Euphoria Stats have everything to do with it!!! The comparison is what the players contribute to a win. You don't get rid of Payton Manning cause he threw an INT. Give me a break! Its what a player contributes to a teams success. Right now Reggie is in the NEGATIVE. More fumbles and stupid mistakes for his draft pick and money he is making. Brees has a couple of INTS this season do we cut him uhm duh no. His contributions far out weight the INT's. If you have a Bush jersey at the end of the season I'll offer you 2 bucks for it so I can use it to wash my car with or if it keeps going my butt with, lol. Hey I want to love the guy and I will cheer my butt off for the guy if he earns it. Fact is he is earning what he is getting from us and he is playing like crap and deserves crap. Since I work with statistics as a daily part of my job, I can tell you one thing about them with complete confidence. There are only statistics for what you measure. Makes sense, right? When someone starts measuring the impact Bush has on a defense, just because he's on the field and regardless if he gets the ball, I'll think it might be possible to lean on stats as my only means of evaluating his contribution. Originally Posted by CantonLegend this is a prime example of someone completely missing the point reggie fumbles but doesnt lead the league in rushing and isnt supposed to be the best running back of all time by the end of his career.....some of these things are done and said about adrian peterson It is not an equal comparison. It is also a typical example of the absolute garbage that comes out of the sensationalized news coverage of modern athletic events. Peterson to be one of the greatest of all time, eh? He's Walter Payton, Gale Sayers, Barry Sanders, Jim Brown, eh? I'm not aiming this at Canton, because he's just quoting a sports media culture that lacks any semblance of credibility. One thing is a fact. Peterson has a bad fumbling problem and the national media IS pointing it out.
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10-06-2009, 05:15 PM	#9
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: "I hope you're watching!" Originally Posted by FrenzyFan Since I work with statistics as a daily part of my job, I can tell you one thing about them with complete confidence. There are only statistics for what you measure. Makes sense, right? When someone starts measuring the impact Bush has on a defense, just because he's on the field and regardless if he gets the ball, I'll think it might be possible to lean on stats as my only means of evaluating his contribution. It is not an equal comparison. It is also a typical example of the absolute garbage that comes out of the sensationalized news coverage of modern athletic events. Peterson to be one of the greatest of all time, eh? He's Walter Payton, Gale Sayers, Barry Sanders, Jim Brown, eh? I'm not aiming this at Canton, because he's just quoting a sports media culture that lacks any semblance of credibility. One thing is a fact. Peterson has a bad fumbling problem and the national media IS pointing it out. you will never hear me say he is better than guys like walter payton and barry sanders.....jim brown was before his time and while i would immediately rank him in the top 3 ever, i just think it had a lot to do with him being before his time gale sayers isnt in the same sentence as walter payton, barry sanders and jim brown even tho he is a hall of famer as well walter payton is the epitome of what a running back should be....he was quick on his feet....he was strong and strong willed....he was quiet to the media but a great influence to kids and a great volunteer in the community emmit smith has the rushing record....but walter payton still has the title as best running back ever IMO like you said....i was just regurgitating the media but the comparison is still nonsense
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10-06-2009, 07:52 PM	#10
FrenzyFan 100th Post Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 406	Re: "I hope you're watching!" Originally Posted by CantonLegend gale sayers isnt in the same sentence as walter payton, barry sanders and jim brown even tho he is a hall of famer as well I agree with everything you said, especially about Sweetness being the absolute greatest running back of all time. However, this statement struck me as odd. I know Sayers' career was short because of injury, but the guy was simply amazing. Many players who played against him (and other names on our short list) still regard Sayers as the greatest half back that ever played the game. He scored 22 TD in his rookie season, about 1 TD for every 10 touches. He scored 6 TDs (4 rushing, 1 receiving, and 1 punt return) in one game against the 49ers, and in that game the field was a sloshy mud-bowl. Sayers still leads the league for TDs among kickoff returners all time (with at least four TDs). He only had 91 returns, and 6 were TDs. To put it in a modern perspective, Devin Hester has 6 TDs over 94 returns - but Sayers return average is 6 yards per return better and he has 600 more return yards than Hester with 3 fewer total returns! Finally, Sayers made the HoF with only five years in the NFL. That's virtually unheard of. While Payton still is the ultimate in RB perfection in every facet of the game on and off the field, I do not think there's any overstatement to put Sayers' name in the same sentence with him. Just my opinion, of course.
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