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I am so looking forward to this weeks match up. Greg Williams will really be in the spot-light on this one, what is he going to do to stop the Wildcat?

I hate this damn offense in the NFL. Part of the problem has been most pro level DC hasn't really had much of it nor have really worked at game planning to stopping it. So looking forward to seeing Greg Williams operate against it, you just know he has a trick up his sleeve!!!

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They are going to use it, there is no doubt about that, but I believe that with our secondary playing so well, it will leave our front seven to handle whatever they throw at us. Disruption in the backfield, will change their mind about putting in anyone else's hands besides Henne.

In the past, I would have been worried about their running game, but we have handled better RBs, in my opinion. Although, Miami is the number one rushing offense in the league.

I can't say I've drank the kool aid just yet, but I can tell you that I have lost all fear of standing by the punch bowl. I haven't seen any team up to this point, that we can't beat. Period.

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Just out of curiosity what running back have you guys played that you think is better then Ronnie Brown? Looking at your schedule I gotta be honest I'm not seeing any backs on there even close to Ronnie.

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not saying these guys are better, maybe just as good, but, brian westbrook, thomas jones, brandon jacobs (although he's not the same player this year), and kevn smith. these guys are all good backs. the one closest to ronnie brown would be westbrook.

and, its not just ronnie brown we're goin up against, its also run-ricky-run! thank god we dont have to deal w/ cobb, too!

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My point wasn't to suggest that you haven't played some good backs but just not at Ronnie's level. Like you mentioned you also have Ricky to deal with and although Cobbs is out we have a guy named Lex Hillard that runs real hard. The other thing people take out of account with us is we often run with a FB lead blocker who is a beast named Lou Polite. He also gets some touches as well and is a load to bring down.

With all that said I don't know that you guys necessarily need to stop the Wildcat you just need to slow it down enough to get the time of possession to balance out a little more your way. If you guys are on the field more then 20-25 min we don't stand a chance.

Your also gonna have to respect Henne's arm as well so that should open up our standard run package. Will see there is a lot of game planning to be done for both sides, should be a very fun game to watch.

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The Dolphins are in trouble. 18th against the pass, 15th in scoring at 22 points a game, allowing 21.2 points a game ( not a huge differential). It'll be a similar story line for the Fins .... they'll be too far behind and will have to abandon the the tricked out wishbone. This means Henne will be forced to pass .... enter Sharper for another pick six or two. He had one called back this past game. Too much offense for the Fins to handle as the saints are averaging 38.4 points a game!

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Hard to argue with most of your points but I will have to call you on one thing. The 22 points a game stat. Keep in mind it's that low because we had Penny behind center for the 1st 3 games. Since Henne has taken over we are averaging 35 a game. Our young (but talented) secondary has also improved each week as well, so I wouldn't get to sucked into those stats you put up they can be deceiving.

With that said this is defiantly a VERY challenging match up for us.

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It should be a good game FinFan and I will be there to witness it. I can't wait.

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Love the sig Finfan. I'm not the only one worried about the Dolphins. If you guy get a few turnovers and don't allow the Saints to get ahead early, it will be a good game. Still, one thing about the Saints, they don't play their best football until the 4th quarter.

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If we can manage to hang in until the 4th a lot of people don't realize what a punishing runner Ronnie is, he loves to hit LB's and safeties. In the 4th he always seems to still be running hard and thats when he starts to really break tackles.

But yeah we will need a few breaks to go our way. For one it's suppose to rain on Sunday with high winds. That might slow your passing game down a bit. The problem is your a heck of a running team yourselves so it's pick your poison with you guys.

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FinFan, your wildcat offense is legit. Henne adds a vertical element to the scheme that you didn't have before and we should be concerned...

I'm sure the fins will score and we'll give up some yards. But your defense must play a near perfect game and your offense can't commit turnovers to one of the most opportunistic defenses in the NFL.

As for time of possession, just remember that our offense is designed to use clock just as well as it is to strike quickly.

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Well if it's raining and windy, it will be hard to spread you guys out because I don't think you will be that stupid to respect the spread game. Brees doesn't have a cannon for an arm so it would be a great evening factor.

In any case, opposing teams 4th quarter running game hasn't be a problem cause their usually behind by 20. If you only behind by 7 or ahead, it will be a different.

The Saints have 3 #1 picks on the DL and our middle LB is a former #1 also. You don't want to do too many 3 and outs against us. Every team that has tried that has lost. You need to match scores or pray for weather.

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We don't need a tricks or gimmicks to stop the wildcat. We need discipline, discipline, and more discipline. Overload blitzes and crazy twists and stunts are exactly what the WC is designed to exploit.

DEs, LBs and CBs will have to keep containment. The DTs have to hold their gap assignments down and Vilma needs to have a huge day.

Hey FinFan, what MIA board do you post on?

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Yeah I agree we need to play flawless ball to have any kind of a shot. Scary thing is we might play flawless and still lose a close one. I'm very impressed with the Saints this year and if we don't make the playoffs I will be pulling for you guys to win it all. Plus I think Brees is a real class act. That thing he does before the games to pump up the players is really cool as well.

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The Wildcat is tough to defend. First of all, the Dolphins are talented and run it well. Secondly, it's a problem to defend because it has defenders reading and reacting instead of attacking. This gets defenders beat at the line of scrimmage. While they are reading the offense is attacking. Advantage offense. The defense has to be very disciplined. They have to maintain their gaps on the line and hopefully have the LB's make plays. If the DL has a breakdown and the LB's get out of position or don't make plays, the defense can really get gashed. The Saints have to man up on the outside with Greer and Porter, which they can do easily against the Dolphins, allowing Sharper and Harper to play around the line. The only real threat of pass is to the TE, which a LB or S has to handle. The good news is the Saints won't have to stop them every time. Brees and Co. affords them that. Plus, if the Saints can stop them a few times and the offense can post a lead, it can force the Dolphins to go away from what they do best. Without a letdown or turnovers in this trap game, the Saints should get a 10+ point victory.

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dude, you dont need to tell me about henne. i'm a diehard gator fan and i was at the capital one bowl. i respect him, but, still hate him at the same time.

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ff makes a good point. The weather could be a factor. Reaction time to the wildcat should be slower in bad conditions. This should be a win, although not necessarily an easy one.

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The key to running a wildcat is blocking and adding another blocker to the running game. Take the QB out add a RB, simple math. The way you defend it is bring the safties up putting '8 men in the box'. Also if your CB's play tight on the WR and inside they could be in better position to contain and blitz the RB coming outside.
This could very well be a game the Fins had against the Colts if anyone seen that game it was great game plan the Fins deployed its just that Manning took advantage of the few times he actually had the ball.

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Wildcat - No matter what they run left or right and theyu don't use the QB at the receiver spot. Play like a run and ignore the razzle dazzle.

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From Greg Williams:

What kinds of challenges as a coordinator does the wildcat bring?

"Those are things. Everything's a fad. Everything's a scheme. Everything's a play. It's really no different than the run and shoot, it's no different than the option, it's no different than the power game. It's just another part of the game. The ball has to be advanced, and you're trying to align and prevent the advancement of the ball. It's just one more scheme. It's one more thing and the things you have to be prepared to do. It's the same thing defensively"

I think we will be ready.

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Fair enough, but very wrong. No different then the run and shoot? Really? I mean Really? I have heard some of the smartest fans in my life that really know X's and O's on here but you just lowered the bar for your own people. I have gained enough respect for the people on here to allow them to talk sense into you and I will just leave it alone.

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He isn't calling it the run and shoot you Dork, He's saying it's like any other Fad or Scheme that you have to prepare for to prevent. Eventually it's all about stopping the advancement of the Ball.

So maybe you need to go back to reading comprehension class and stop trolling over here. I don't need your crap. Again Stop and READ the quote.

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huh?

I think you misunderstood his post, holmes.

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That's exactly how we need to stop it. As long as we don't over pursue, and everyone keeps there containment, I think we'll be just fine stopping the wildcat. How many times do you think they're actually going to go to this formation? 10 times at most in opinion. Going back to the Florida/Tennessee game (I know it's just college), but we can always bring Harper up and use him like Monte Kiffin did Berry during that game. It's all about discipline. Also if we get out to a big lead, their wildcat will be useless. Just play Saints ball and their wildcat will be an afterthought.

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Relax fellahs.... we stopped the wildcat cold already with Philly ... the Fins may have slightly better RBs ... although Westbrooks ain't no slouch himself.... but I do like FF's point about the Fins getting down on their knees praying for bad weather ... If you gotta pray for anything for some kind of edge, GAME OVER! The Fins will be smoking Ricky Williams' peace pipe before the game is over.

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i think all of yall made your point. ( at some point ) STATS, doesn't mean crap too me. and as far as the wild cat goes, it's just like Greg said "It's just another part of the game" We have to be ready for it! Geaux Saints !

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Wish we could see more of the other teams fans like FF here. As FF stated we also are not that far behind them with the running game so they will have to recognize that as well as us. We are going to have to find a way to get Brown on the ground and not make those 40 + yard runs. I also think the Dolphins are underrated this year and have not been given much respect. Their offensive and defensive lines are tough and far from a walk in the park for us. We have great runners in our division that we have been dealing with and have burnt us in the past but also have caused us to prepare more to stop the running game. The difference this year of course is Sharper, Greer, and Porter who can take away the long ball and put eight in the box. Looks like an old time smash mouth game that will say a lot about which defense is the real deal.

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Just about any RB can run the wildcat and if that’s your main/base offense – See Colts games vs Miami – I’ll say no more. When the Dolphins are down 14 or 21 to 3 or 0 your wildcat will be tamed and the Dolphins will have to play catch up which means passing the ball and I don’t think the Dolphins O-line is that good in protection. The wildcat will only take you so far.

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I see your point and I did misread his post so I stand corrected.

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I am on FinHeaven it's a cool site, I am The Don74 on there.

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brian westbrook is one of the leagues best

brandon jacobs and ahmad bradshaw are a nasty combination

thomas jones and leon washington were spoken very highly of by jets fans

fred jackson is not a name known to all but he is a pretty talented back and should get some more recognition as he garners more touches

kevin smith is one of the most underrated players in the entire leage.....while not on ronnie browns level, he is still talented

we have played running backs that are just as talented as ronnie brown and we have gone up against offensive lines far more talented than the dolphins

i must admit im a tad bit nervous about the wildcat offense but i think it will be phased out quickly when the dolphins offense needs to play catch up because their defense cant stop us

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You have defiantly played some good backs but non of them is at Ronnies level imho.Westbrook was a couple of years ago but not anymore. Kevin Smith is underrated I agree with you there, in fact I have him on my fantasy league.

I think Ronnie and Ricky are the best duo in the league. Before the bye last week They were 2 and 13 in yards with Ronnie being tied for 1st in td's.

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I understand Rickey is undergoing some new unique and top secret motivational training in order to get prepared for his former employer...


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I didn't say I was praying for bad weather I was just reporting what the forecast is for Sunday and while Brees is ridiculously accurate he's not know for a powerful arm so some of his passes might get hung up in the wind. Henne on the other hand does have a very strong arm and may not affect is passes as much. By the way I am in the way comparing Henne to Brees. The only qb at Drews level is Manning and maybe Brady but I give the edge to Brees in that match up.

The way I see it weather is just part of the game so if the rain helps us I'm fine with that. One thing I would never hope for is a team to have a major injury coming into a game or during a game.

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Wildcat ... heat pump ...schmeet pump!

As aptly stated by Yasinskas below

Here ya go fellahs

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make no mistake about it, the saints are undefeated because of their turnover ratio. if the saints turn the ball over it could keep the underated dolphins in the game, but if the dolphins turn it over its game over.

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Its not like the Fins will strickly run the Wildcat all game. We didnt play very well against the Iggles when they ran it but I do expect our D to really practice hard against it this week. It will be one of our main focuses this week. If we can go up early again this Sunday, I expect to force them to throw as we have done to several teams thus far.

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People forget that our offense can chew the clock up too!

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What I think we're going to see is the same thing that the Dolphins did against the other two teams that Henne has started against.
Fins will come out trying to force the Saints to respect our passing game. If we can get some yards through the air then it keeps your defense from crowding the line of scrimmage. If we can keep your safeties from cheating up towards the line then we'll try running at you.
Yeah I know...easier said than done, but that's what I believe we can expect to see.
The flip side is that I would expect your defense to challenge Henne early and try to rattle him into some bad decisions. It may work, it may not. Only time will tell. I won't be surprised in the least if your defense pressures him into a bad performance. However, don't be shocked if Henne actually stands up to it and has a good day.
I'm not the guy to make predictions, but I do like our chances on Sunday.

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i wouldnt be surprised to see this kind of approach either.....but if henne turns the ball over it might be game over......hes not a rookie but he has made some rookie mistakes and i wouldnt be surprised to see darren sharper feasting on some henne ducks