Anyone think Miami will be harder to beat?

CantonLegend · 10-21-2009, 02:07 PM

after watching the game winning drive last week, i am truely concerned about the wildcat

normally i would say blitz the house and make ronnie brown beat us through the air, but chad henne has been a pleasant surprise for the dolphins and ted ginn can beat us deep

Budsdrinker · 10-21-2009, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

after watching the game winning drive last week, i am truely concerned about the wildcat

normally i would say blitz the house and make ronnie brown beat us through the air, but chad henne has been a pleasant surprise for the dolphins and ted ginn can beat us deep

Gap discipline and a spy on Ricky Williams when in motion on the wildcat. Ginn has only made 1 catch on the deep route against the Jets and he has dropped some others. He doesn't scare me much.

CantonLegend · 10-21-2009, 02:19 PM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

Gap discipline and a spy on Ricky Williams when in motion on the wildcat. Ginn has only made 1 catch on the deep route against the Jets and he has dropped some others. He doesn't scare me much.

despite our pass defense this year, we have a history over the past few seasons for giving up big plays on defense.....there are only a few WRs in the league that can spread the field like ginn and with henne's arm, it makes him that much more of a threat

on another note.......its funny how in the NFL you can have a michigan boy throwing to an ohio state boy and think nothing of it

WhoDat205 · 10-21-2009, 02:51 PM

The more I think about this one the less I worry.

The only thing you need to worry about is the WC. If we can stop them once or twice and put up a quick 14 on their suspect secondary, this thing if over before it started. The Phins have to start passing, and Gregg Williams can release the hounds on Henne in his 5th NFL game.

saintsfan1976 · 10-21-2009, 06:25 PM

Canton and Deuce and well, Finfan - you guys all make really good points (REP up). But the one dividing factor is the Wildcat. Plain and simple. People keep saying we "handled it in Philly" but we really didn't. Philly had success when they gave it a half-hearted attempt.

AND

That really opened the door for Kevin friggin KOLB to light us up!

Bottom line is the WC will be the equalizer bc the fins run it well.

WhoDat205 · 10-22-2009, 09:31 AM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Canton and Deuce and well, Finfan - you guys all make really good points (REP up). But the one dividing factor is the Wildcat. Plain and simple. People keep saying we "handled it in Philly" but we really didn't. Philly had success when they gave it a half-hearted attempt.

AND

That really opened the door for Kevin friggin KOLB to light us up!

Bottom line is the WC will be the equalizer bc the fins run it well.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. He had a bunch of yards, but darn near half (163) were in Q4 when we'd already hung 40 on them.

arsaint · 10-21-2009, 08:00 PM

This has "trap game" written all over it.

I sure hope that we have the chinstraps buckled on tight on defense.

I think that the best thing that could have happened for the Saints was the Dolphins winning last week.

That should prevent any of the players looking past Miami to the upcoming game with the Falcons.

I think Miami controls the ball more than we would like in this one.

Saints win 34-21 (I'm calling for a defensive TD by our Saints late in the game).

leilung · 10-22-2009, 09:46 AM

Running the WC is predicated on creating man-to-man mismatches. Frankly, I feel like our D can man up to any offense in the league right now.

But I agree wholeheartedly with Canton...Kolb made us look weak against the pass after the Eagles opened the field with the WC and the 'Fins are FAR more efficient in running it. With Fujita out, we may have problems.

exile · 10-22-2009, 09:51 AM

Originally Posted by leilung

But I agree wholeheartedly with Canton...Kolb made us look weak against the pass after the Eagles opened the field with the WC and the 'Fins are FAR more efficient in running it. With Fujita out, we may have problems.

I agree with that Fujita being out may be an issue. But I have to agree with WhoDat that Kolb's passing yards were junk yards after the game was all but done. The few WC plays they tried were laughable otherwise.

Tobias-Reiper · 10-22-2009, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by leilung

But I agree wholeheartedly with Canton...Kolb made us look weak against the pass after the Eagles opened the field with the WC

Ohhh Noooo..

Kolb's numbers were inflated by a 70 yard play in the first quarter, after which he proceeded to do nothing, until the 4th quarter when the score was like 40-17 and the game out of hand, some Saints starters had been pulled out, and the Eagles completely abandoned the run and started throwing the ball.

Kind of the same thing happened last Sunday: game's out of hand, starters get pulled out, and David Carr throws a TD with Sharper, Porter, Greer, Smith, Grant, and God knows who else looking from the sidelines.

10-21-2009, 02:07 PM	#1
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Anyone think Miami will be harder to beat? after watching the game winning drive last week, i am truely concerned about the wildcat normally i would say blitz the house and make ronnie brown beat us through the air, but chad henne has been a pleasant surprise for the dolphins and ted ginn can beat us deep

10-21-2009, 02:15 PM	#2
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Anyone think Miami will be harder to beat? Originally Posted by CantonLegend after watching the game winning drive last week, i am truely concerned about the wildcat normally i would say blitz the house and make ronnie brown beat us through the air, but chad henne has been a pleasant surprise for the dolphins and ted ginn can beat us deep Gap discipline and a spy on Ricky Williams when in motion on the wildcat. Ginn has only made 1 catch on the deep route against the Jets and he has dropped some others. He doesn't scare me much.

10-21-2009, 02:19 PM	#3
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Anyone think Miami will be harder to beat? Originally Posted by Budsdrinker Gap discipline and a spy on Ricky Williams when in motion on the wildcat. Ginn has only made 1 catch on the deep route against the Jets and he has dropped some others. He doesn't scare me much. despite our pass defense this year, we have a history over the past few seasons for giving up big plays on defense.....there are only a few WRs in the league that can spread the field like ginn and with henne's arm, it makes him that much more of a threat on another note.......its funny how in the NFL you can have a michigan boy throwing to an ohio state boy and think nothing of it

10-21-2009, 02:51 PM	#4
WhoDat205 Prediction Pain Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 1,082 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Anyone think Miami will be harder to beat? The more I think about this one the less I worry. The only thing you need to worry about is the WC. If we can stop them once or twice and put up a quick 14 on their suspect secondary, this thing if over before it started. The Phins have to start passing, and Gregg Williams can release the hounds on Henne in his 5th NFL game.

10-21-2009, 06:25 PM	#5
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,035 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Anyone think Miami will be harder to beat? Canton and Deuce and well, Finfan - you guys all make really good points (REP up). But the one dividing factor is the Wildcat. Plain and simple. People keep saying we "handled it in Philly" but we really didn't. Philly had success when they gave it a half-hearted attempt. AND That really opened the door for Kevin friggin KOLB to light us up! Bottom line is the WC will be the equalizer bc the fins run it well.

10-22-2009, 09:31 AM	#6
WhoDat205 Prediction Pain Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Birmingham, AL Posts: 1,082 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Anyone think Miami will be harder to beat? Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Canton and Deuce and well, Finfan - you guys all make really good points (REP up). But the one dividing factor is the Wildcat. Plain and simple. People keep saying we "handled it in Philly" but we really didn't. Philly had success when they gave it a half-hearted attempt. AND That really opened the door for Kevin friggin KOLB to light us up! Bottom line is the WC will be the equalizer bc the fins run it well. Whoa, whoa, whoa. He had a bunch of yards, but darn near half (163) were in Q4 when we'd already hung 40 on them.

10-21-2009, 08:00 PM	#7
arsaint Saint Historian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: deep in the bowels of a hidden bunker, somewhere under the brick & steel of a nondescript building.. Posts: 2,738	Re: Anyone think Miami will be harder to beat? This has "trap game" written all over it. I sure hope that we have the chinstraps buckled on tight on defense. I think that the best thing that could have happened for the Saints was the Dolphins winning last week. That should prevent any of the players looking past Miami to the upcoming game with the Falcons. I think Miami controls the ball more than we would like in this one. Saints win 34-21 (I'm calling for a defensive TD by our Saints late in the game).

10-22-2009, 09:46 AM	#8
leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,428	Re: Anyone think Miami will be harder to beat? Running the WC is predicated on creating man-to-man mismatches. Frankly, I feel like our D can man up to any offense in the league right now. But I agree wholeheartedly with Canton...Kolb made us look weak against the pass after the Eagles opened the field with the WC and the 'Fins are FAR more efficient in running it. With Fujita out, we may have problems.

10-22-2009, 09:51 AM	#9
exile Cake or Death? Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,608	Re: Anyone think Miami will be harder to beat? Originally Posted by leilung But I agree wholeheartedly with Canton...Kolb made us look weak against the pass after the Eagles opened the field with the WC and the 'Fins are FAR more efficient in running it. With Fujita out, we may have problems. I agree with that Fujita being out may be an issue. But I have to agree with WhoDat that Kolb's passing yards were junk yards after the game was all but done. The few WC plays they tried were laughable otherwise.
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10-22-2009, 10:41 AM	#10
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Anyone think Miami will be harder to beat? Originally Posted by leilung But I agree wholeheartedly with Canton...Kolb made us look weak against the pass after the Eagles opened the field with the WC Ohhh Noooo.. Kolb's numbers were inflated by a 70 yard play in the first quarter, after which he proceeded to do nothing, until the 4th quarter when the score was like 40-17 and the game out of hand, some Saints starters had been pulled out, and the Eagles completely abandoned the run and started throwing the ball. Kind of the same thing happened last Sunday: game's out of hand, starters get pulled out, and David Carr throws a TD with Sharper, Porter, Greer, Smith, Grant, and God knows who else looking from the sidelines.