Re: 2010 - Keep or Cut Reggie Bush.
 

IMO, bush will resign with the saints but for lower pay, mainly because i think the only job bush will have is with the saints. bush loves the saints and of course we love him and hate him. its more like a love-hate relationship. as much as anything bush will give up money if.. i mean "IF" he's smart enough.. also if drew was gave up some of his money to sign other players then why not bush. our players on our team are very generous. look at payton giving up some money of course he will get it back in the future. but if we have a big time free agent that we are willing to sign im sure bush will restructure. dont bag on me if im wrong but thats my input on it.. he is an asset. i just want him to improve and not be a one game wonder.

Re: 2010 - Keep or Cut Reggie Bush.
 

Here is some cap deals in 2009 to remember.

both Henderson and Stinch do not cash in on their new contracts until they make the final roster in 2010. I still am beating if cash is needed one if not both will not be on the team in 2010.

As for reggie I have to think he will be a saint and all the RB benifit from each other being on the field. I would like to see reggie work on his recieving skills more. Just keeping him on the field more.

Re: 2010 - Keep or Cut Reggie Bush.
 

IMO, Reggie would not make a good receiver. He's a runner and space guy. I'm happy with the 2-5 yard passes in space that act as an extended hand off.

Re: 2010 - Keep or Cut Reggie Bush.
 

I just wish they would put him back there with Roby on kickoffs. 2 men back deep that are real threats to go all the way can cut down on a lot of this directional kicking teams are doing forcing the return man to run 30 yards just to catch the ball.

Re: 2010 - Keep or Cut Reggie Bush.
 

Think this is the real focus of attention now and let this play itself out.

Re: 2010 - Keep or Cut Reggie Bush.
 

Hey thats what we play the players for Fans get to discuss and talk about their fate.

Re: 2010 - Keep or Cut Reggie Bush.
 

The only area that we're not creative is on special teams. We do have some talent and motivated aggressive players, Although the blocking is killing us on any return package. :bng:

Re: 2010 - Keep or Cut Reggie Bush.
 

I think Bush was pretty lousy returning kicks at USC wasn't he?

Re: 2010 - Keep or Cut Reggie Bush.
 

Same type of player. He averaged about 10 yds a return but ran back 2 for TDs in '04. Couple of long ones. And an 84 yard return for TD on '05. Average until a big play emerges. I'll take that.

Re: 2010 - Keep or Cut Reggie Bush.
 

Bushrod's earned it already ... trade Brown and Bush and get some value for both while you can.

Re: 2010 - Keep or Cut Reggie Bush.
 

Bush is a luxury player, not a necessity. If we can afford all the players we want to keep and can afford him as well then I don't mind him being a Saint. His pay needs to reflect his performance a little more though. If someone else wants to overpay for him then they are welcome to him though.

Re: 2010 - Keep or Cut Reggie Bush.
 

Careful what you wish for...

If you guys think that Reggie is going to take a pay-cut to stay with the Saints, well...give me some of what you're smoking.

It's not a Reggie thing, though. I am assuming that 99.9% of NFL players will "take the money" when it is shown to them. If their present owner is dangling a Citizen's, they're going to go with the guy holding out the Rolex...and I can't say that I blame them. It is a game, afterall, and in the beginning the object is to win. I'm speculating that once you become a pro and become a bread-winner, the object of the game may change somewhat.

Re: 2010 - Keep or Cut Reggie Bush.
 

Not sure if this has been said yet, but Bush's contract is 12.1 million this year and 13.5 million next year. Not to mention the 1.5 mill in potential incentives. Hmmmm....:hallucinate:

The team would save 6.5 in a release or trade.

Kind of reminds me of the twilight of Joe Horn's career as a Saint.

Re: 2010 - Keep or Cut Reggie Bush.
 

Bread winner... now there's a concept.

Happy Halloween All!

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Re: 2010 - Keep or Cut Reggie Bush.
 

Wait - If he does win MVP lets talk then.

Re: 2010 - Keep or Cut Reggie Bush.
 

He's got to be moved to a slot back/wide receiver position to get the value for his salary...

As of now, the stats do not justify the salary...

But I'd like to know how much effort opposing defenses are accounting for him allowing teammates to gain success...

Re: 2010 - Keep or Cut Reggie Bush.
 

There's a lot of remarks about how good Reggie is "in space", but I
think there's a case to be made that Pierre is actually our best
receiving RB.

I like Reggie getting screens, swing passes, and dump offs, but don't
like him getting longer passes. He missed a couple last week that any
of our WR's would have caught. He hasn't learned how to "body up" and
out-muscle the defenders like true receivers do.

Re: 2010 - Keep or Cut Reggie Bush.
 

I think Reggie's main problem last week was not coming back for the ball. If you turn, and the ball is late, you have to come back for it or the CB will catch up. He didn't agressively come back to the ball. The CB broke two of them up like that.

I used to think PT was our best RB, then Bell, then Bush.

I now think Bell has taken a small lead over PT.

Re: 2010 - Keep or Cut Reggie Bush.
 

not really worth it is it?

Re: 2010 - Keep or Cut Reggie Bush.
 

Re: 2010 - Keep or Cut Reggie Bush.
 

He scored a TD tonight and the Saints won .... everyone be happy, drink till ya puke and dance naked in the streets

Re: 2010 - Keep or Cut Reggie Bush.
 

I am going to trust coaches and management on this one. They won us a SB...they deserve that and more.

Re: 2010 - Keep or Cut Reggie Bush.
 

Pay him market value, but listen to any and all offers.

DO NOT pay him 8 million.

Re: 2010 - Keep or Cut Reggie Bush.
 

I think we should trade him somewhere and get another 1st and maybe 3rd round pick in the draft tehn Build Defenseive front... What Bush can do Pierre can do

Re: 2010 - Keep or Cut Reggie Bush.
 

If he's willing to take a big pay cut, I say keep him. A service player like Bush is part of most of the big teams. Teams need someone who can do several things - this keeps options open, and makes a defensive game plan tougher.

Problem is that he's getting first round, starter pay. Most service players are getting backup salaries.

I, personally, think he might be willing to take a significant pay cut to stay. This is how a dynasty is actually built - players get paid less to play there because the know they have a chance to win.

Re: 2010 - Keep or Cut Reggie Bush.
 

I am sure Pete Carroll would like a reunion with him in Seattle...if there is a good offer we should take it.

Re: 2010 - Keep or Cut Reggie Bush.
 

I will ask again. His contract is not up for two years. Why are we worried now? As far as I know a contract is still worth the paper it is written on correct?

He signed a 6 year contract in 2006

Injuries were a whore this season. He can do what a lot of players do but if you do not keep him and Thomas gets hurt, Bell gets hurt, etc... you are left with no depth.

Elite teams have depth. We need to start thinking like an elite team, and not try to piece together the cheapest thing we can find.

I will ask another question again. Do you want to face him? Do you want him returning punts on you?

Some players are worth paying just so you do not have to play against them.

Re: 2010 - Keep or Cut Reggie Bush.
 

I agree. And also have a sneaky suspicion that a RB's name will be called by at least our 3 round pick.

Re: 2010 - Keep or Cut Reggie Bush.
 

We fear no man...including Bush. We know all of his weaknesses and would have no problem spanking him if he put on a different color. I like Reggie and I like what he does. Restructuring is the best option for this organization. 8 million is just too much. There is nowhere Reggie can go in the league, and get the touches and opportunities to showcase his talents like he has in Sean Payton's offensive schemes. I believe Reggie knows that. His agent probably sees things very differently($$$). If he/they refuse to restructure, deal him for a 1+2 or a 1+3 and use the money to sure up or lock down some of the other positions. Sean Payton will find a way to do without him I'm sure. But he is nice to have in your back pocket.

Re: 2010 - Keep or Cut Reggie Bush.
 

I hope his initials are Dexter McCluster...

Re: 2010 - Keep or Cut Reggie Bush.
 

what team would give us a 1 and 2 for reggie?

Re: 2010 - Keep or Cut Reggie Bush.
 

No team would. As many people from around the country have stated, Reggie is in a perfect situation with THIS team. He should take a pay cut to help his team out, but he won't. Which means next year at $8MM is probably Reggies last year with us.
Now if the Saints were to draft Dexter McCluster out of Ole Miss in the second round this year, then all bets are off. He's a Reggie Bush without the knee injuries or the high price tag.

Re: 2010 - Keep or Cut Reggie Bush.
 

I think he played well for us down the stretch. He was solid and sometimes spectacular. I like Bush and I would like to see him in black and gold for a long time. I know his contract doesn't fit his workload, but I hope they can work something out. I think it will be interesting to see what he does next season now that he understands that running north and south, then using his moves out in the open field past the line of scrimmage is the best way to run.

Re: 2010 - Keep or Cut Reggie Bush.
 

Here is a reason to keep Reggie around.

So we can get another one of these.

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Re: 2010 - Keep or Cut Reggie Bush.
 

Nah McCluster is more of a Darren Sproles type. Reggie is actually big enough to be a bruiser if he had the intent.

Re: 2010 - Keep or Cut Reggie Bush.
 

Reggie wants to win another Superbowl.... his chances diminish substantially if he were to leave for another team. I think he'll eventually restructure his contract. There's also a chance the Saints trade him after his restructure. His contract right now is an obstacle to any kind of trade.

Re: 2010 - Keep or Cut Reggie Bush.
 

Reggie is an "X" factor to me, I say keep him.

Re: 2010 - Keep or Cut Reggie Bush.
 

Simple math, he's not a bust....

Teams with Reggie Bush = 2 NFC Title games, 1 Super Bowl
Teams with Mario Williams =

Reggie has 4 years of good football still left in him.

I liken Reggie to Tiki Barber.
Look at the numbers...
Reggie in 4 years, 3800 combined yards and 32 td's
Tiki in 4 years, 3900 yards and 19 TD's.
The best is yet to come.

Re: 2010 - Keep or Cut Reggie Bush.
 

Probably nobody...start high and work our way backwards. We would be fishing, just trying to get someone to bite. Promote/highlight the all purpose yards and the TD's and see what happens.

Re: 2010 - Keep or Cut Reggie Bush.
 

reggie plays a huge part in payton's no#1 offense, with reggie out of the mix it would pay dearly. i see payton getting reggie the ball more in space in the seasons to come. theres so much you can do with him to keep the opposing defenses scratching there noggins. now that i told you that theres the money part. solong reg or restructure