Vikings better?

papz · 11-29-2009, 08:33 PM

They're entitled to their opinion but the only way to find out is to play each other heads up. The only thing that irked me what the fact they pointed out that the Vikings are better because they have a better rushing attack, which just isn't the case. There's a difference in having a better running back versus better rushing attack. Peterson is all world but when you stack he and Taylor up against our trio, we have the 4th ranked rushing attack in the NFL as opposed to the Vikings' 10th. So that comment which they made didn't make any sense. If you go to NFL.com and compare basically every offensive statistic, we are superior to them. Heck even our offensive line rates better than them.

In total defense, they're 12th and we're 16th. Their rushing defense is far superior to ours but we haven't had Ellis playing for quite awhile... which definitely hurts that number. As far as our secondaries are concerned, we take the edge on that one. I do believe even if we were completely healthy, their defense is better than ours. With that said, even the best defenses in the league have trouble stopping our #1 ranked offense. The only defense I'd be scared to play in the NFL is a completely healthy Steelers D. I just don't see us having problem putting up enough points to beat anyone else.

If we were to play head to head, it would be a great game to watch. The reason why I think we'd come out on top is the fact Favre has broken down towards the tail end of the last couple of seasons. He's always been prone to making mistakes and we now have a defense that can capitalize on it. Also as good as Peterson is, he too has trouble holding on to the football. This is the same Saints D of old... we've been making people pay when they turn the football over. And because of that, I think we'd come out on top.

They think the Vikes are a better team... fine. I think otherwise... fine. Hopefully we'll be able to meet in the playoffs and fine out.

arsaint · 11-29-2009, 09:12 PM

Take a look at SOS (which is the 5th tiebreaker breaker on HFA)

Vikings opponents: 45-76 (.372)

Saints 1st 10 opponents: 41-69 (.372)
Saints beat Patriots: 48-72 (.397)
Saints lose to Pats: 49-71 (.405)

No matter what happens on MNF, the Saints have played a harder schedule...

CantonLegend · 11-29-2009, 09:53 PM

the vikings defense is all condensed into 3 stud defensive linemen

however......we have arguably the best offensive line in the league even with goodwin and a backup LT

drew is arguably the most elusive QB in the league when hes in the pocket

drew has better pocket awareness than any QB they have played

our running game is better than any other team they have played.......our QB is better than any other QB they have played

our defense is better than any other defense they have played

our record is better than theirs and our schedule is tougher than theirs

the ONLY reason they are getting so much credit is because of brett favre

let me re-iterate that.....the vikings are the beneficiaries of a scrub schedule and are beating up on a terrible nfc north(can you believe the packers are 7-3? lmao)

the only reason they are getting so much press....so much respect......so much credit is because of brett favre.......they have only beaten 1 good team and that was by a last second field goal against baltimore

the other good team they played? the steelers beat them by 10

TopCow · 11-29-2009, 09:53 PM

To say that the Saints do not have a run game is senseless. The Saints run the ball more than they pass it. I think we are hearing from game announcers who have not done their homework.

We do not have that one great running back, like Adrian Peterson, but we have an excellent running game. The Vikings, I suspect, use the run as much as they do because of Brett Favre's age. He had an age-related meltdown last season with the Jets, and the Vikings don't want another one.

The Saints and the Vikings have to face one another head on to finally answer this question. Both great teams. I would guess that whoever is at home will win.

jn671 · 11-29-2009, 10:03 PM

Originally Posted by saintpaul25

BS. That's the best description I can give you. Last I checked, we are still the number one rushing offense in the league. So, how the Vikes are better is beyond me. Just remember, if Brett Favre was not on that team, and Sage Rosenfels was starting, they wouldn't be getting as much press as they are.

true agree with that its only because of bret.

jn671 · 11-29-2009, 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by Dasidreidia

Adrian Peterson is not the second coming of Sweetness. Not yet at least. He can't beat all three of our backs by himself. End of discussion.

true our backs are amazingly talented.

jn671 · 11-29-2009, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by FireVenturi

I think the Vikes are really good just like us. Our offense is better. there defense is better(front 4 is unreal). I think whoever is the home team is proably who would win.

i feel our front 4 is pretty sick but we need sed back.. hargrove is amazing.. i think adding in mcray in the middle would add some valuable pass rush.

jn671 · 11-29-2009, 10:06 PM

Originally Posted by arsaint

Vikings (11 games) = 1262 yards rushing, AP = 999 yds

Saints (10 games) = 1543 yards rushing

i rest my case.

jn671 · 11-29-2009, 10:07 PM

Originally Posted by D_it_up

Starting next week in Arizona if Kurt Warner is back.

yes true indeed. kurt will rip them up. and plus chicago's line is a joke.

jn671 · 11-29-2009, 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by Frederick Smith

Hard to compare apples and oranges like this just because of match ups that are created with these other teams. The Vikings look impressive as do the Colts and the Pats are not far behind. I think we match up fairly well against these teams and do not think anyone is being disrespectful. If things continue to progress as they are we are going to see the Vikings and find out for sure about that team. Only a Superbowl will tell us how we match up against the Colts. Farve looks like he cannot make a mistake anymore. I am praying for some luck here and to get our players healthy for the playoffs. If we can come back full strength and our secondary come together after all the injuries I like our chances. Tomorrow will tell us loads.

good analysis frederick. true only a ring and our biggest test will tell us how good we truly are. although we did have some hard games prior to the tampa game.

11-29-2009, 08:33 PM	#11
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,744	Re: Vikings better? They're entitled to their opinion but the only way to find out is to play each other heads up. The only thing that irked me what the fact they pointed out that the Vikings are better because they have a better rushing attack, which just isn't the case. There's a difference in having a better running back versus better rushing attack. Peterson is all world but when you stack he and Taylor up against our trio, we have the 4th ranked rushing attack in the NFL as opposed to the Vikings' 10th. So that comment which they made didn't make any sense. If you go to NFL.com and compare basically every offensive statistic, we are superior to them. Heck even our offensive line rates better than them. In total defense, they're 12th and we're 16th. Their rushing defense is far superior to ours but we haven't had Ellis playing for quite awhile... which definitely hurts that number. As far as our secondaries are concerned, we take the edge on that one. I do believe even if we were completely healthy, their defense is better than ours. With that said, even the best defenses in the league have trouble stopping our #1 ranked offense. The only defense I'd be scared to play in the NFL is a completely healthy Steelers D. I just don't see us having problem putting up enough points to beat anyone else. If we were to play head to head, it would be a great game to watch. The reason why I think we'd come out on top is the fact Favre has broken down towards the tail end of the last couple of seasons. He's always been prone to making mistakes and we now have a defense that can capitalize on it. Also as good as Peterson is, he too has trouble holding on to the football. This is the same Saints D of old... we've been making people pay when they turn the football over. And because of that, I think we'd come out on top. They think the Vikes are a better team... fine. I think otherwise... fine. Hopefully we'll be able to meet in the playoffs and fine out.
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11-29-2009, 09:12 PM	#12
arsaint Saint Historian Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: deep in the bowels of a hidden bunker, somewhere under the brick & steel of a nondescript building.. Posts: 2,705	Re: Vikings better? Take a look at SOS (which is the 5th tiebreaker breaker on HFA) Vikings opponents: 45-76 (.372) Saints 1st 10 opponents: 41-69 (.372) Saints beat Patriots: 48-72 (.397) Saints lose to Pats: 49-71 (.405) No matter what happens on MNF, the Saints have played a harder schedule...

11-29-2009, 09:53 PM	#13
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Vikings better? the vikings defense is all condensed into 3 stud defensive linemen however......we have arguably the best offensive line in the league even with goodwin and a backup LT drew is arguably the most elusive QB in the league when hes in the pocket drew has better pocket awareness than any QB they have played our running game is better than any other team they have played.......our QB is better than any other QB they have played our defense is better than any other defense they have played our record is better than theirs and our schedule is tougher than theirs the ONLY reason they are getting so much credit is because of brett favre let me re-iterate that.....the vikings are the beneficiaries of a scrub schedule and are beating up on a terrible nfc north(can you believe the packers are 7-3? lmao) the only reason they are getting so much press....so much respect......so much credit is because of brett favre.......they have only beaten 1 good team and that was by a last second field goal against baltimore the other good team they played? the steelers beat them by 10
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11-29-2009, 09:53 PM	#14
TopCow 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 299	Re: Vikings better? To say that the Saints do not have a run game is senseless. The Saints run the ball more than they pass it. I think we are hearing from game announcers who have not done their homework. We do not have that one great running back, like Adrian Peterson, but we have an excellent running game. The Vikings, I suspect, use the run as much as they do because of Brett Favre's age. He had an age-related meltdown last season with the Jets, and the Vikings don't want another one. The Saints and the Vikings have to face one another head on to finally answer this question. Both great teams. I would guess that whoever is at home will win.
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11-29-2009, 10:03 PM	#15
jn671 Guam Saints Fan Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Guam, USA Posts: 411 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Vikings better? Originally Posted by saintpaul25 BS. That's the best description I can give you. Last I checked, we are still the number one rushing offense in the league. So, how the Vikes are better is beyond me. Just remember, if Brett Favre was not on that team, and Sage Rosenfels was starting, they wouldn't be getting as much press as they are. true agree with that its only because of bret.

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11-29-2009, 10:04 PM	#16
jn671 Guam Saints Fan Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Guam, USA Posts: 411 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Vikings better? Originally Posted by Dasidreidia Adrian Peterson is not the second coming of Sweetness. Not yet at least. He can't beat all three of our backs by himself. End of discussion. true our backs are amazingly talented.

11-29-2009, 10:06 PM	#17
jn671 Guam Saints Fan Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Guam, USA Posts: 411 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Vikings better? Originally Posted by FireVenturi I think the Vikes are really good just like us. Our offense is better. there defense is better(front 4 is unreal). I think whoever is the home team is proably who would win. i feel our front 4 is pretty sick but we need sed back.. hargrove is amazing.. i think adding in mcray in the middle would add some valuable pass rush.

11-29-2009, 10:07 PM	#19
jn671 Guam Saints Fan Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Guam, USA Posts: 411 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Vikings better? Originally Posted by D_it_up Starting next week in Arizona if Kurt Warner is back. yes true indeed. kurt will rip them up. and plus chicago's line is a joke.

11-29-2009, 10:09 PM	#20
jn671 Guam Saints Fan Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Guam, USA Posts: 411 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Vikings better? Originally Posted by Frederick Smith Hard to compare apples and oranges like this just because of match ups that are created with these other teams. The Vikings look impressive as do the Colts and the Pats are not far behind. I think we match up fairly well against these teams and do not think anyone is being disrespectful. If things continue to progress as they are we are going to see the Vikings and find out for sure about that team. Only a Superbowl will tell us how we match up against the Colts. Farve looks like he cannot make a mistake anymore. I am praying for some luck here and to get our players healthy for the playoffs. If we can come back full strength and our secondary come together after all the injuries I like our chances. Tomorrow will tell us loads. good analysis frederick. true only a ring and our biggest test will tell us how good we truly are. although we did have some hard games prior to the tampa game.