Vikings better?

Dasidreidia · 11-29-2009, 10:09 PM

Yes, AP does have more yards than any one of our backs, but that's because our backs share. Bell and Thomas have around 1100 combined if I'm not mistaken. Bush also has roughly 250 in both rushing and receiving I believe.

SailorJ · 11-29-2009, 10:12 PM

Doesn't matter who people think is better. Both are good teams in the NFC but the toughest test is tmmrow night for the Saints against NE. A team in which I don't think Minnesota can beat or any other team in the NFC. We will see about the Saints tommorow night though.

jn671 · 11-29-2009, 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by papz

They're entitled to their opinion but the only way to find out is to play each other heads up. The only thing that irked me what the fact they pointed out that the Vikings are better because they have a better rushing attack, which just isn't the case. There's a difference in having a better running back versus better rushing attack. Peterson is all world but when you stack he and Taylor up against our trio, we have the 4th ranked rushing attack in the NFL as opposed to the Vikings' 10th. So that comment which they made didn't make any sense. If you go to NFL.com and compare basically every offensive statistic, we are superior to them. Heck even our offensive line rates better than them.

In total defense, they're 12th and we're 16th. Their rushing defense is far superior to ours but we haven't had Ellis playing for quite awhile... which definitely hurts that number. As far as our secondaries are concerned, we take the edge on that one. I do believe even if we were completely healthy, their defense is better than ours. With that said, even the best defenses in the league have trouble stopping our #1 ranked offense. The only defense I'd be scared to play in the NFL is a completely healthy Steelers D. I just don't see us having problem putting up enough points to beat anyone else.

If we were to play head to head, it would be a great game to watch. The reason why I think we'd come out on top is the fact Favre has broken down towards the tail end of the last couple of seasons. He's always been prone to making mistakes and we now have a defense that can capitalize on it. Also as good as Peterson is, he too has trouble holding on to the football. This is the same Saints D of old... we've been making people pay when they turn the football over. And because of that, I think we'd come out on top.

They think the Vikes are a better team... fine. I think otherwise... fine. Hopefully we'll be able to meet in the playoffs and fine out.

coudn't agree with you any less. our rushing attack is indeed one of the best. i mean even are receivers, hence henderson and meachem have a couple of rush yards thanks to our reverses. but i do agree by what you mean. they do have two talented backs but we have 3 and we have receivers that can run a bit too.. the only players im impressed with from the viks are receivers, them being sydney rice and percy harving. as for AP i feel he is still one of the best but has been running mediocre compared to our 3 backs.

jn671 · 11-29-2009, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

the vikings defense is all condensed into 3 stud defensive linemen

however......we have arguably the best offensive line in the league even with goodwin and a backup LT

drew is arguably the most elusive QB in the league when hes in the pocket

drew has better pocket awareness than any QB they have played

our running game is better than any other team they have played.......our QB is better than any other QB they have played

our defense is better than any other defense they have played

our record is better than theirs and our schedule is tougher than theirs

the ONLY reason they are getting so much credit is because of brett favre

let me re-iterate that.....the vikings are the beneficiaries of a scrub schedule and are beating up on a terrible nfc north(can you believe the packers are 7-3? lmao)

the only reason they are getting so much press....so much respect......so much credit is because of brett favre.......they have only beaten 1 good team and that was by a last second field goal against baltimore

the other good team they played? the steelers beat them by 10

good point canton.

jn671 · 11-29-2009, 10:17 PM

Originally Posted by TopCow

To say that the Saints do not have a run game is senseless. The Saints run the ball more than they pass it. I think we are hearing from game announcers who have not done their homework.

We do not have that one great running back, like Adrian Peterson, but we have an excellent running game. The Vikings, I suspect, use the run as much as they do because of Brett Favre's age. He had an age-related meltdown last season with the Jets, and the Vikings don't want another one.

The Saints and the Vikings have to face one another head on to finally answer this question. Both great teams. I would guess that whoever is at home will win.

in my opinion with the way bret is playing seems ageless. he actually has been passing quite frequently. i believe he almost broke a career high today. but agree with the excellent rushing attack that our team possess.

jn671 · 11-29-2009, 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by Dasidreidia

Yes, AP does have more yards than any one of our backs, but that's because our backs share. Bell and Thomas have around 1100 combined if I'm not mistaken. Bush also has roughly 250 in both rushing and receiving I believe.

yup thats why they call our backs the three headed monsters.. our backs are amazingly talented. yes AP may be the best. but our backs combined are the best tandem not wait, trio in the NFL. yes reggie bush is part of this "trio" lol.

jn671 · 11-29-2009, 10:20 PM

Originally Posted by SailorJ

Doesn't matter who people think is better. Both are good teams in the NFC but the toughest test is tmmrow night for the Saints against NE. A team in which I don't think Minnesota can beat or any other team in the NFC. We will see about the Saints tommorow night though.

yes tomorrow will indeed be a test.

RealDeal37 · 11-30-2009, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by Dasidreidia

Adrian Peterson is not the second coming of Sweetness. Not yet at least. He can't beat all three of our backs by himself. End of discussion.

Ur exactly right... Oh & let's NOT 4-get how many times a game Peterson fumbles.
He had 2-3 fumbles yesterday & those dumba$$'$ wanna try & say there a better team... lol, plzzzzzzzzz!!! I PRAY we see them in the
Conf. Chapionship.... I cross my fingures on that wish!!!

Tobias-Reiper · 11-30-2009, 08:19 AM

Of course they are. Because Joe Buck and Troy Aikman say so.

cargojon · 11-30-2009, 01:45 PM

These announcers are fools and just spout the junk that the home fans want to hear. If we were playing in that game, they would have said we were much better.

Minny has played a cupcake schedule, needed last second hail marys to beat sub .500 teams, and needed missed FG's to beat a so-so Ravens team. And they lost to the Steelers, who before Ben and Troy went down were a favorite to repeat in the SB.

11-29-2009, 10:09 PM	#21
Dasidreidia 500th Post Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Charlotte (Kill me), but born in Gretna. Posts: 721	Re: Vikings better? Yes, AP does have more yards than any one of our backs, but that's because our backs share. Bell and Thomas have around 1100 combined if I'm not mistaken. Bush also has roughly 250 in both rushing and receiving I believe.

11-29-2009, 10:12 PM	#22
SailorJ Rookie Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 17	Re: Vikings better? Doesn't matter who people think is better. Both are good teams in the NFC but the toughest test is tmmrow night for the Saints against NE. A team in which I don't think Minnesota can beat or any other team in the NFC. We will see about the Saints tommorow night though.
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11-29-2009, 10:13 PM	#23
jn671 Guam Saints Fan Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Guam, USA Posts: 411 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Vikings better? Originally Posted by papz They're entitled to their opinion but the only way to find out is to play each other heads up. The only thing that irked me what the fact they pointed out that the Vikings are better because they have a better rushing attack, which just isn't the case. There's a difference in having a better running back versus better rushing attack. Peterson is all world but when you stack he and Taylor up against our trio, we have the 4th ranked rushing attack in the NFL as opposed to the Vikings' 10th. So that comment which they made didn't make any sense. If you go to NFL.com and compare basically every offensive statistic, we are superior to them. Heck even our offensive line rates better than them. In total defense, they're 12th and we're 16th. Their rushing defense is far superior to ours but we haven't had Ellis playing for quite awhile... which definitely hurts that number. As far as our secondaries are concerned, we take the edge on that one. I do believe even if we were completely healthy, their defense is better than ours. With that said, even the best defenses in the league have trouble stopping our #1 ranked offense. The only defense I'd be scared to play in the NFL is a completely healthy Steelers D. I just don't see us having problem putting up enough points to beat anyone else. If we were to play head to head, it would be a great game to watch. The reason why I think we'd come out on top is the fact Favre has broken down towards the tail end of the last couple of seasons. He's always been prone to making mistakes and we now have a defense that can capitalize on it. Also as good as Peterson is, he too has trouble holding on to the football. This is the same Saints D of old... we've been making people pay when they turn the football over. And because of that, I think we'd come out on top. They think the Vikes are a better team... fine. I think otherwise... fine. Hopefully we'll be able to meet in the playoffs and fine out. coudn't agree with you any less. our rushing attack is indeed one of the best. i mean even are receivers, hence henderson and meachem have a couple of rush yards thanks to our reverses. but i do agree by what you mean. they do have two talented backs but we have 3 and we have receivers that can run a bit too.. the only players im impressed with from the viks are receivers, them being sydney rice and percy harving. as for AP i feel he is still one of the best but has been running mediocre compared to our 3 backs.

11-29-2009, 10:15 PM	#24
jn671 Guam Saints Fan Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Guam, USA Posts: 411 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Vikings better? Originally Posted by CantonLegend the vikings defense is all condensed into 3 stud defensive linemen however......we have arguably the best offensive line in the league even with goodwin and a backup LT drew is arguably the most elusive QB in the league when hes in the pocket drew has better pocket awareness than any QB they have played our running game is better than any other team they have played.......our QB is better than any other QB they have played our defense is better than any other defense they have played our record is better than theirs and our schedule is tougher than theirs the ONLY reason they are getting so much credit is because of brett favre let me re-iterate that.....the vikings are the beneficiaries of a scrub schedule and are beating up on a terrible nfc north(can you believe the packers are 7-3? lmao) the only reason they are getting so much press....so much respect......so much credit is because of brett favre.......they have only beaten 1 good team and that was by a last second field goal against baltimore the other good team they played? the steelers beat them by 10 good point canton.

11-29-2009, 10:17 PM	#25
jn671 Guam Saints Fan Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Guam, USA Posts: 411 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Vikings better? Originally Posted by TopCow To say that the Saints do not have a run game is senseless. The Saints run the ball more than they pass it. I think we are hearing from game announcers who have not done their homework. We do not have that one great running back, like Adrian Peterson, but we have an excellent running game. The Vikings, I suspect, use the run as much as they do because of Brett Favre's age. He had an age-related meltdown last season with the Jets, and the Vikings don't want another one. The Saints and the Vikings have to face one another head on to finally answer this question. Both great teams. I would guess that whoever is at home will win. in my opinion with the way bret is playing seems ageless. he actually has been passing quite frequently. i believe he almost broke a career high today. but agree with the excellent rushing attack that our team possess.

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11-29-2009, 10:19 PM	#26
jn671 Guam Saints Fan Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Guam, USA Posts: 411 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Vikings better? Originally Posted by Dasidreidia Yes, AP does have more yards than any one of our backs, but that's because our backs share. Bell and Thomas have around 1100 combined if I'm not mistaken. Bush also has roughly 250 in both rushing and receiving I believe. yup thats why they call our backs the three headed monsters.. our backs are amazingly talented. yes AP may be the best. but our backs combined are the best tandem not wait, trio in the NFL. yes reggie bush is part of this "trio" lol.

11-29-2009, 10:20 PM	#27
jn671 Guam Saints Fan Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Guam, USA Posts: 411 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Vikings better? Originally Posted by SailorJ Doesn't matter who people think is better. Both are good teams in the NFC but the toughest test is tmmrow night for the Saints against NE. A team in which I don't think Minnesota can beat or any other team in the NFC. We will see about the Saints tommorow night though. yes tomorrow will indeed be a test.

11-30-2009, 08:06 AM	#28
RealDeal37 $aint'z "101" Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Shreveport (Port City), La Posts: 113	Re: Vikings better? Originally Posted by Dasidreidia Adrian Peterson is not the second coming of Sweetness. Not yet at least. He can't beat all three of our backs by himself. End of discussion. Ur exactly right... Oh & let's NOT 4-get how many times a game Peterson fumbles. He had 2-3 fumbles yesterday & those dumba$$'$ wanna try & say there a better team... lol, plzzzzzzzzz!!! I PRAY we see them in the Conf. Chapionship.... I cross my fingures on that wish!!!

11-30-2009, 08:19 AM	#29
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cargojon 500th Post Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 576	Re: Vikings better? These announcers are fools and just spout the junk that the home fans want to hear. If we were playing in that game, they would have said we were much better. Minny has played a cupcake schedule, needed last second hail marys to beat sub .500 teams, and needed missed FG's to beat a so-so Ravens team. And they lost to the Steelers, who before Ben and Troy went down were a favorite to repeat in the SB.
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