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Euphoria 12-11-2009 11:37 AM

Re: Bush draws Payton's ire again
 
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Originally Posted by woody (Post 182888)
barry was often taken out of the game on goaline situations.

But that isn't "benching" - taken out of a game because his head wasn't in the game and making bone headed mistakes.

strato 12-11-2009 11:45 AM

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We could use some help on Defense at his expense...lol

Euphoria 12-11-2009 11:48 AM

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He stepped out before the first down marker...

Radio Saint 12-11-2009 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 (Post 182860)
Reggie is just another player that proves that there needs to be a rookie salary cap and a slotting system like what they have in the NBA

:itsgood:

woody 12-11-2009 12:19 PM

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hey isn't reggie averaging 4.9 yds/att? that's really good if you didn't know. am i the only one that has noticed when reggie is stopped behind the line it is usually because of a good defensive play call? thats when he starts "dancing" because he's trying to make a play.

Euphoria 12-11-2009 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by woody (Post 182895)
hey isn't reggie averaging 4.9 yds/att? that's really good if you didn't know. am i the only one that has noticed when reggie is stopped behind the line it is usually because of a good defensive play call? thats when he starts "dancing" because he's trying to make a play.

Stats are for losers.

You can make stats into anything you want them to read. If you don't watch the games and see the mistakes and see how insignificant he is... then you are missing the boat.

This team has and continues to win not based on his performance but everyone else.

woody 12-11-2009 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 182897)
Stats are for losers.

You can make stats into anything you want them to read. If you don't watch the games and see the mistakes and see how insignificant he is... then you are missing the boat.

This team has and continues to win not based on his performance but everyone else.

hey aren't you the one always saying he doesn't produce enough for a 2nd overall pick? maybe you should check out his stats because as far as yards and td's go he's been very signifigant. and everyone else makes mistakes too. drew throws picks, colston drops balls, o-line misses blocks, and i've seen sharper take bad angles and miss tackles. if you don't understand that the offense is better with him, then your boat has sunk.

Euphoria 12-11-2009 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by woody (Post 182903)
hey aren't you the one always saying he doesn't produce enough for a 2nd overall pick? maybe you should check out his stats because as far as yards and td's go he's been very signifigant. and everyone else makes mistakes too. drew throws picks, colston drops balls, o-line misses blocks, and i've seen sharper take bad angles and miss tackles. if you don't understand that the offense is better with him, then your boat has sunk.

If you are a second round pick, your team needs you to win. If you are injured or on the bench shouldn't your team lose or struggle??? Here I'll answer that for you YES! The one person you can't have injured or benched is who??? Here I'll answer that for you BREE's, Sharper... these guys play at a level far beyond what Bush is capable at playing at.

2nd round picks should not be 3rd string and should not be benched. The clock is ticking and his days are numbered. Get over the man crush this is football and football is business. The math doesn't add up and really won't add up next year with his salary increase.

woody 12-11-2009 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 182904)
If you are a second round pick, your team needs you to win. If you are injured or on the bench shouldn't your team lose or struggle??? Here I'll answer that for you YES! The one person you can't have injured or benched is who??? Here I'll answer that for you BREE's, Sharper... these guys play at a level far beyond what Bush is capable at playing at.

2nd round picks should not be 3rd string and should not be benched. The clock is ticking and his days are numbered. Get over the man crush this is football and football is business. The math doesn't add up and really won't add up next year with his salary increase.

why put so much stock into where a player is drafted? at that point it is unknown what kind of a pro they will be. if i was to believe your argument i would say there's no reason to expect any thing from colston or pierre because of their draft position. the bottom line is that the offense is more dangerous with reggie than without him.

Euphoria 12-11-2009 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by woody (Post 182910)
why put so much stock into where a player is drafted? at that point it is unknown what kind of a pro they will be. if i was to believe your argument i would say there's no reason to expect any thing from colston or pierre because of their draft position. the bottom line is that the offense is more dangerous with reggie than without him.

LMAO now you are twisting my words.

You seriously think that??? Thats basically my point why pay 8 million to a 2nd rounder who is 3rd sting to guys who were not even drafted. Give the money to the players who are contributing to wins.

Besides based on your stat of Bush... Colston is a better RB than Bush... he has 6 yard average per rush to Bushs 4.9.

Euphoria 12-11-2009 02:09 PM

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I tell you what... I'll give you 3 bucks for your Bush jersey... I am in the holiday spirit.

Budsdrinker 12-11-2009 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 182916)
I tell you what... I'll give you 3 bucks for your Bush jersey... I am in the holiday spirit.

man, you are in the spirits! LOL

woody 12-11-2009 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 182915)
LMAO now you are twisting my words.

You seriously think that??? Thats basically my point why pay 8 million to a 2nd rounder who is 3rd sting to guys who were not even drafted. Give the money to the players who are contributing to wins.

Besides based on your stat of Bush... Colston is a better RB than Bush... he has 6 yard average per rush to Bushs 4.9.

i'm not twisting your words, i'm trying to explain that reggie does contribute to wins, and releasing him because he's made a lot of money, and giving it to someone else, doesn't mean there is going to be more talent on the team.

And i can't recall ever seeing colston line up as a rb, although i'm sure i've seen bush split out.

for some reason i'm sensing some usc hatred goin on out in hollywood! lol!

DrewDat 12-11-2009 04:59 PM

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I agree with all of you but I also think when he's on the field defenses audible to stop him. So lets bring out Thomas and bush and run a few trickery plays. That way all the reggie looks can benefit us

woody 12-11-2009 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DrewDat (Post 182978)
I agree with all of you but I also think when he's on the field defenses audible to stop him. So lets bring out Thomas and bush and run a few trickery plays. That way all the reggie looks can benefit us

agreed

Euphoria 12-11-2009 05:30 PM

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Yeah but in order to do that he has to be on the field instead he's on the sidelines watching Bell or Thomas when the game is on the line so that argument really doesn't hold up.

If he was so important he'd be in when the game is on the line.

woody 12-11-2009 05:40 PM

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he sure gets the ball near the endzone alot for not being in the game when it is on the line.

Euphoria 12-11-2009 05:47 PM

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apparently you didn't see the redskins game where he stepped out just before the first down marker which we were not able to convert and punted. Soon after the knucklehead stepped out damn near Payton who pointed it out to him on the spot... GOT BENCHED! He did make a good cheerleader after that.

woody 12-11-2009 05:53 PM

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oh, you mean the game where he was coming back from injury, and everyone already knew his role would be limited?

Euphoria 12-11-2009 06:04 PM

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apparently you haven't watched many games this year either.

People are getting tired with his lack of production and with the price tag on his head for next year he is as good as gone.

FrenzyFan 12-11-2009 09:14 PM

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It's one thing to be opinionated. It's another to be an aggressive .

exile 12-11-2009 09:28 PM

Re: Bush draws Payton's ire again
 
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Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 182993)
apparently you didn't see the redskins game where he stepped out just before the first down marker which we were not able to convert and punted. Soon after the knucklehead stepped out damn near Payton who pointed it out to him on the spot... GOT BENCHED! He did make a good cheerleader after that.

What is misunderstood is that when he stepped out of bounds after making 9 yards Payton wasn't mad apparently. In fact, Bush was in the play after that. And if the Saints can't make a first down after a 2nd & 1 then shame on them.

Now I did see Payton get upset at Bush when he blocked during what should have been a screen to him. He must have missed the call in the huddle on that play and it also resulted in an illegal lineman downfield. Which then led to the famous Meachem TD. Which in fact was a horrible Brees decision to even throw that ball.

So Bush made a mistake then Brees made a mistake.

Euphoria 12-11-2009 09:36 PM

Re: Bush draws Payton's ire again
 
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Originally Posted by exile (Post 183029)
What is misunderstood is that when he stepped out of bounds after making 9 yards Payton wasn't mad apparently. In fact, Bush was in the play after that. And if the Saints can't make a first down after a 2nd & 1 then shame on them.

Now I did see Payton get upset at Bush when he blocked during what should have been a screen to him. He must have missed the call in the huddle on that play and it also resulted in an illegal lineman downfield. Which then led to the famous Meachem TD. Which in fact was a horrible Brees decision to even throw that ball.

So Bush made a mistake then Brees made a mistake.

This thread is about Bush, not Brees. But since you bring it up Brees can win games for us week in and week out Bush... nada.

Euphoria 12-11-2009 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by exile (Post 183029)
What is misunderstood is that when he stepped out of bounds after making 9 yards Payton wasn't mad apparently. In fact, Bush was in the play after that. And if the Saints can't make a first down after a 2nd & 1 then shame on them.

Now I did see Payton get upset at Bush when he blocked during what should have been a screen to him. He must have missed the call in the huddle on that play and it also resulted in an illegal lineman downfield. Which then led to the famous Meachem TD. Which in fact was a horrible Brees decision to even throw that ball.

So Bush made a mistake then Brees made a mistake.

I don't think he was made at Bush either at that point but it all added up and its funny how he got lots of bench time after... hmmmm.

exile 12-11-2009 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 183034)
I don't think he was made at Bush either at that point but it all added up and its funny how he got lots of bench time after... hmmmm.

Possibly. But he was only predicted to play 10 to 15 plays in the game anyway. I'm not defending Bush really just saying I don't think that his run out of bounds was a bad play. It was 2:05 left in the half and it looked like Bush thought he had the first down since he was yapping at the ref afterwards. Maybe he was just trying to stop the clock before the 2 minute warning to get another play off and thought that the ball was past the first down marker. Even though 9 yards on the play and then a run out of bounds to stop the clock is still not a bad play anyway.

exile 12-11-2009 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 183032)
Brees can win games for us week in and week out Bush... nada.

You sure Bush can't win games? Maybe not week in and week out but he sure can make winning games fun. :mrgreen:


Euphoria 12-11-2009 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by exile (Post 183037)
You sure Bush can't win games? Maybe not week in and week out but he sure can make winning games fun. :mrgreen:

YouTube- Reggie Bush's First NFL Touchdown

He really hasn't. He hasn't put this team on his back and said I got this and wins a game. He's been on the sidelines when the game is on the line more times than not.

st thomas 12-11-2009 10:58 PM

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sorry reggie; i have to agree with my who dat's, get off your can and produce man

Frederick Smith 12-12-2009 04:37 AM

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What is this mans problem ? I am almost on the bust wagon for him. For sure he does not have the power to break tackles and seems he does not understand angles and is not really elusive. His days are numbered here for sure unless Payton has a magical role for him that I have not seen. The Saints are getting very little production wise from him and his numbers are going to help him hit the road looking for a paycheck.

woody 12-12-2009 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 183002)
apparently you haven't watched many games this year either.

People are getting tired with his lack of production and with the price tag on his head for next year he is as good as gone.

just so you know, i can't recall a game i've missed since they came out with the vcr.

now, if you understood football better, you would see why the saints strive for offensive balance, and why players have different roles according to their strengths. i swear you only repeat stuff you hear on pregame shows.

Euphoria 12-12-2009 10:31 AM

Re: Bush draws Payton's ire again
 
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Originally Posted by woody (Post 183092)
just so you know, i can't recall a game i've missed since they came out with the vcr.

now, if you understood football better, you would see why the saints strive for offensive balance, and why players have different roles according to their strengths. i swear you only repeat stuff you hear on pregame shows.

I hope that was your piss poor attempt at a personal attack.
I know very well what the Saints do on Offense. And you aren't on offense if you are standing on the sidelines.

woody 12-12-2009 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 183111)
I hope that was your piss poor attempt at a personal attack.
I know very well what the Saints do on Offense. And you aren't on offense if you are standing on the sidelines.

i don't have to attack you, its quite clear you don't understand when or why certain players are on the field.

Euphoria 12-12-2009 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by woody (Post 183119)
i don't have to attack you, its quite clear you don't understand when or why certain players are on the field.

I understand very clear... when they are screwing up and their head isn't in the game you take them off the field, that is very clear.

Don't be to attached to that Bush Jersey of yours...

exile 12-12-2009 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 183124)
Don't be to attached to that Bush Jersey of yours...

Fair enough but quit bashing everything Bush does (even the 9 yard runs) because you were too cheap to buy a Bush jersey of your own. :p

saintsfan1313 12-12-2009 02:49 PM

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Bush for MVP!!!!

sorry, just stirring the pot...

strato 12-12-2009 03:01 PM

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Bush just traded for two bags of crawfish and a case of Shiner...lol...

woody 12-12-2009 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 183124)
I understand very clear... when they are screwing up and their head isn't in the game you take them off the field, that is very clear.

Don't be to attached to that Bush Jersey of yours...

sure if their head isn't in the game take them out, but don't you understand the benefit of stopping the clock right before the two minute warning? tell me how that is screwing up?

SmashMouth 12-12-2009 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by strato (Post 183140)
Bush just traded for two bags of crawfish and a case of Shiner...lol...

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/e...elson-haha.gif

Euphoria 12-12-2009 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by woody (Post 183142)
sure if their head isn't in the game take them out, but don't you understand the benefit of stopping the clock right before the two minute warning? tell me how that is screwing up?

Saints failed to convert the first down... we had to punt. If you would have paid attention to all the remarks in this thread instead of just focus in on being a troll and trying to start something...

exile 12-12-2009 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 183185)
Saints failed to convert the first down... we had to punt. If you would have paid attention to all the remarks in this thread instead of just focus in on being a troll and trying to start something...

Again, the Saints failing to convert a 2nd & 1 after a 9 yard catch by Bush doesn't help your arguement.


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