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Bush draws Payton's ire again
Bush draws Payton's ire again
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on December 8, 2009 7:40 PM ET Reggie Bush returned to the field last Sunday against the Redskins, but he didn't stay on it for long. Saints coach Sean Payton "clearly grew frustrated" with Bush at the end of the first half, according to Jeff Duncan of the New Orleans Times-Picayune. Bush annoyed his coach because of two specfic plays, then didn't take a snap again until the final 30 seconds of regulation. Play one: Bush casually steps out of bounds a yard short of a first down. (He and Roy Williams may lead the league in premature sideline.) The Saints wound up having to punt when Bush was stuffed in the backfield on third-and-one. Play two: Redskins linebacker Brian Orakpo blows up Bush, knocking him off his feet, as he attempts to go out for a screen pass. At that point, Payton removed Bush from the game and spoke to his "emotional" player on the sideline. It's not the first time this has happened this season. Bush was only scheduled to get 20 snaps and he had ten in the first half, so his "benching" didn't have a major impact. But it's a reminder that Bush sometimes gets in the way of the Saints offense. Bush is a replaceable part, like most of his offensive teammates not named Brees and Colston. But the former second overall pick is a replaceable part due $8 million in 2010. That's why we suspect Payton won't be having sideline chats with him next season. Bush draws Payton's ire again | ProFootballTalk.com |
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He runs out of bounds backwards and sideways....i would get on him to
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Gah. Do we really want him playing against us?
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This was my thinking after the Pats game. Sometimes it seems, for reggie to get his
touches, the offense stagnates. We will be moving the ball well, and then he does one of his dance moves on a run, gets tackled for a loss, and the next thing u know, we are third and 12, instead of third and 1. His star power, should not dictate play calls. If he is not cutting it, get him off the field. I'm sorry, but I don't see him here next season. There are a lot of "dynamic" Rbs coming out in the draft, that won't cost us 10 million dollars next year. |
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What can we get for him? |
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Me, personaly, YES... As hard as it is for me to say it, it's true. Ive tried over & over the past 2 year's to build a case & defend Bush, but enough's, enough, bottom line. It's NOT worth it, having to watch 8Mil$ run sideway's & backwards & NOT give it 100% at all times. Too damn worried about his pretty face & Kim. YES, we all know wut will happen once he's on another team, lol. Not only will he go to the Pro Bowl, but when we play against him & his new team, he will F#@k over us, lol, happen's every time, lol!!! Oh Well , gotta do wut we gotta do... The way i see it though, we could get an "All Pro DL to line up next to Elis... Then get ourselves a top notch LB in the 1st Rd... Wut yall think??? |
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Is he trying too hard? Does he not trust his instincts? Not smart enough? Scared? |
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It's one game back from the injury. His one punt return did look pretty bad. Hopefully this will motivate him and he will be back playing like he did pre-injury.
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RealDeal37.... Sound like a plan.. I say we get him off our books and go for some talent on the defensive side of the ball... We'll be a better team for it next season I believe....
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Getting rid if Bush for some defensive talent is a great idea.
If Bush would just get it in his head that this isn't the PAC-10 and you aren't fast enough to break every play outside like you use to in college. This is the NFL. EVERYBODY IS FAST!!!!! The 2 plays that he did stay with the play and hit the hole that was designed to be there guess what happened? 1. He took it for a touchdown 2. He had the longest rush of his career like 65 yards or something. Wait on the damn play to develop and then attack the hole!!!!!! |
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Funny who this topic keeps being brought up after I first mentioned it at the beginning of the season.
The writing is on the wall... |
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My patience is starting to get very thin with Reggie. I've defended him for quite some time but enough is enough. If he doesn't start to show some sign of improvement then its time to start weighing other options.
The offense looks so crisp when he's on the sideline and plays aren't called to force anything. We'll see what happens in the offseason |
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I'm one of the fans who has had Reggies back from the start. How he can go from the fleur de leap for a TD to someone who is totally lost is beyond me.
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Maybe its the star mentality he has.
Usc had some stars, but bush is used to being the focus. Now we have multiple weapons, and standouts on both sides of the ball. Maybe he feels like he has to do even more. Kind of like an ignored baby. The more u ignore, the louder it gets! |
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A kicker would be a nice addition. Carney was good but these days B.F. calls him sir.
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All we have to do now is convince someone that he's worth the 8-mil he's got coming. Would you just highlight his TD's and his versatility...or would those be reasons to keep him...and keep him in the positions where he excels???...and keep him out of the areas where he struggles??? Reggie has been fighting nagging injuries and is just too light in the pants to try to lower the boom on even the smallest DB's he faces. Sean is right for jumping him when he gives up 1 yard short of a first down, he needs to get reamed for that one, and anyone else who doesn't take it to the max. Reggie is just Reggie. He'll probably make a few more bone-head plays before its all over. At the end of the day, his plusses outweigh his minuses.
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At the end of the day he got benched! He is a 3rd string RB and quickly losing touches as a PR. This offseason we are going to have another open slot for a legit 3rd string RB and hopefully won't have to eat the cap hit. |
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Yeah Bush is pushing his luck. I say offer 3-4 million and keep him in the slot or trade him.
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Payton frustrated with Bush
Sean Payton clearly grew frustrated with Reggie Bush near the end of the first half. First, Bush took a screen pass and nonchalantly stepped out of bounds short of the first down after a nine-yard gain. The Saints subsequently failed to convert the first down when Bush was tackled for a loss on third-and-1. Later, Bush was blown up and knocked off his feet by Brian Orapko as he attempted to run a route on a screen pass in the right flat, resulting in an incomplete pass. The play prompted Payton to demonstratively motion to Thomas to go into the game and replace Bush. Fox cameras caught Payton addressing an emotional Bush on the sidelines after the play. New Orleans Times-Picayune |
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I got a name for you guys... Dexter McCluster, at Ole Miss. This guy is undersized, but great on returns, and gets through the tackles, very well. Sounds like a great third down option. I'm not sure if he is first round material, but if he is, it would be late first round, or early second, maybe even later, but I haven't really had my mind on the draft. Imagine that huh? l'm used to having the entire thing mapped out by now.
We've had pretty good luck with Ole Miss RBs..... :) |
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i have stood by reggie through his 3.5 yrs in the league..when he gets the ball im excited for about 2 seconds..then it turns to terror
will he lose yards? will he fumble?... damn reggie..get it together or youl be catchin passes from tom brady next year..actually i could see him in NE |
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That's funny you mention McCluster, I was thinking about him as a return specialist and as a 3rd down RB. His size does worry me, he is only like 165, but he could be the answer.
As for Bush, the writing is on the wall. He is probably good as gone. Unfortunately, with his price tag vs his production, he has little to no trade value. The Saints should be happy to just release him and use that money on some top free agent defensive talent. My biggest issue with Bush is it appears he will never overcome his knee issues, and to me he looks like he has lost a lot of his speed. Dude is still fast, but he doesn't seem to be nearly as fast as he was when he first came into the league. I guess knee problems will do that to a guy... |
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I dont know why we dont use him in the slot more. I could see him doing damage to the likes of Welker.... |
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well as a lifelong saints fan i can honestly say i like reggie bush's explosiveness but sometimes he is a liability. i think if the saints use him the way the bears use hester he will be more productive. its obvious to the world that he is not an every down back who can effectively run between the tackles. Well we'll see what happens next season...
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I don't know about much but it looks to me he has to much going on to focus on football. He might be present but his mind is elsewhere. he might just be goofy I don't know.
I really have never heard anyone comment on his work ethic either way You always hear about the work ethic of our other players. Has anybody heard anything? |
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This is the first time I've ever written it on this board but, "Trade Reggie Bush."
I've been a student of football for a long time, and I think a lot of people have very short memories. The type of RB bush is needs touches. It's not a perfect comparison, but one of the biggest knocks on Barry Sanders back in his day was that he ran for a lot of negative yards trying to make something happen. He got a lot of touches every game, so the one, two or three that he would rip for a huge gain would offset the 11 times he ran for -3. The highlight films have forgotten this, but the history books still have it - go look it up if you don't believe me. Sanders was all that the Lions had so they ran him often. The constant pounding is one of the reasons he retired early. Our team has never used Bush like that, partially because of his health (maybe his toughness - not sure about that but there's some annecdotal evidence to support the suspicion) and mostly because the offense isn't designed around Bush and running, but rather around Brees and passing. In our offense, in our system, he's not worth the money he's about to make. I won't be surprised to see him do well on another team - particularly a team designed around the run game. Time will tell, but it seems to me that Bush's time in N.O. should be over. |
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Bush wouldn't do well on another team either from the tailback position. Bush doesn't run with power and is probably last in the league in yards after touch. Barry Sanders was strong and elusive, kind of a tough comparison to Bush. There are backs who get tougher as the game rolls on, and become more effective with each touch...Bush is not one of them. Twenty touches for Bush would just leave us playing catch-up in the 3rd and 4th quarters. Bush is best in space and should be used that way - by design. Make linebackers have to chase him out of the slot or as a safety valve when everything else is covered. As to his work ethic, how hard can an injured guy really work? More overtime on the T.O. bicycle? Injured guys are more prone to injuries favoring tender spots and still trying to make plays. Knees are probably the worse kind of trouble for a running back. I hope he gets healthy and helps us get to where we're going - this year. I have to agree though, 8 million is a lot of money that could be used elsewhere to sure up the dike.
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Reggie is just another player that proves that there needs to be a rookie salary cap and a slotting system like what they have in the NBA
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The comparison to Sanders isn't perfect, but it's not a terrible one either. Both Bush and Sanders are pretty close in build. Bush is listed as 6'0", 203 while Sanders is 5'8, 200. Couple of things about that. Barry's build was a lot more compact than Bush and he was harder for the defense to see coming to the line. His center of gravity was lower. He wasn't particularly powerful. He was dangerously elusive and it was hard to tackle him because he was so much shorter than everyone else (again with that center of gravity.) I would argue that Barry had a better build to serve the style of running both be and Bush have. I would also argue that Bush's cuts are harder and sharper to Sanders', at least prior to the knee injuries. The problem is with a taller player and a higher center of gravity, a harder cut leads to greater stress on the knees increasing at a exponential rate. Bush's cuts now are a shadow of what they were.
You may be right that he will not do better on another team, but I will wait and see. No matter how often we run now, we are a passing team by design. We run well enough to hold a lead and that's a huge difference from last year, but we are designed for the pass. I'd be interested to see how Bush would do on a team designed for the run - if anyone will take him in trade, that is. |
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Well your credibility is thrown out the window as a self proclaimed student of the game if you are going to compare Barry Sanders to Reggie bush. Reggie Bush is now Barry Sanders and not even close. Reggie had his chance at being a so called 'feature back' and he can't handle it.
Reggie is a PR/slot WR. PERIOD, who we could line up at RB from time to time go give real RB's a break, and that is only if he has his head in the game and not making bone headed mistakes. Barry Sanders took the ball up the middle makes one move and go. Reggie doesn't make moves its call HESITATING. You have to make a move and hit a whole... GO already. He likes to move left, move right, move left again ok now right again until someone tackels him if he doesn't get a chance to get out of bounds first just short of the first down markers. REGGIE BUSH IS NO BARRY SANDERS! I'll make the same offer to you as I did others... if Reggie doesn't take a pay cut that warrants a 3rd string RB then he will be on another team. I'll then buy your Reggie Bush jersey from you for $2.50 so you'll get something for it and I'll get a rag to wash my car with or my ass if I choose. Reggie's cuts aren't sharper than Sanders either. There different cuts if you look at them. First Barry would go up the line make one move to dodge a LB and go. Reggie is to chicken **** to go throw the damn line. |
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I have to go back and see when Barry Sanders was ever benched or 3rd sting RB.
Its going to be a long long long time researching this so I'll post it when I find it... don't hold your breathe |
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barry was often taken out of the game on goaline situations.
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