The "Non Call"

exile · 01-11-2010, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Its still a judgement call. Just like any other penalty. Its up to the ref to call it or not.

Tru dat. But it was fairly obvious. Which is why the Packerrooters are hating it.

Euphoria · 01-11-2010, 04:06 PM

Originally Posted by exile

Tru dat. But it was fairly obvious. Which is why the Packerrooters are hating it.

I totally agree. I can see that being ruled and called in several ways in which case I don't thing the Cards deserve to lose the game as much as the Packers deserved to win the game. So call it a wash and next time GB don't allow that to happen next time. Come out ready to play and not stink up the first quarter.

Rugby Saint II · 01-11-2010, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

Its still a judgement call. Just like any other penalty. Its up to the ref to call it or not.

I agree. Just hope for good judgment.

darstep · 01-11-2010, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

...don't allow that to happen next time. Come out ready to play and not stink up the first quarter.

sounds like the skillet and the kettle

RealDeal37 · 01-11-2010, 04:44 PM

LoL... Im not try'n to be an ass or nothing, but i have NO idea were some folks get the rules of football from...

To sum it all up for u all... YES, the ball was knocked loose before he grabbed his facemask, but unless the Cards had recovered & had complete control of the ball prior to it, it would've been 15yd penalty & Packer's ball.

The only way the Card's could've gotten the ball, like i said wuz if they had complete posession of it BEFORE the facemask was grabbed!!!

I can promise u all this much... Had there not been a fumble, the official would've called!!!

That sum's it up... Either way though... Ref's obviously did'nt see it & was focused more on the fumble than anything else. I would hate to be the Packer's & lose that way, but its to NO surprise that official's dictate a team winning or losing!!!

cargojon · 01-11-2010, 04:51 PM

I called Bob Papa and Randy Cross this morning on Sirius to discuss this - unfortunately my cell phone got cut off before I could finish my point.

There cannot be a roughing the passer penalty on a fumble (so I've read anyway on Schefter's twitter). However, the call SHOULD have been an interception which means RTP is in force.

I guarantee you if that ball had hit the ground before Dansby grabbed it and headed towards the end zone, it would have been overturned as an incomplete pass. Terrible job of officiating.

lynwood · 01-11-2010, 05:39 PM

I blame making a bunch of sissy rules up that are difficult to enforce, and determine game outcomes. This wouldn't be an issue 10-20 years ago.

Also notice how everytime a receiver misses a catch he looks for a flag? This is going to get worse than soccer or the NBA.

He got smacked,lost the ball, play football.

I could care less who one that game.

Rant done

UK_WhoDat · 01-11-2010, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by lynwood

Also notice how every time a receiver misses a catch he looks for a flag? This is going to get worse than soccer or the NBA.

With you there completely. I hate it, hate it, hate it. Keep your lip shut and get on with it. O/T - It makes "soccer" games stupid. And the NBA already allow drawing the foul so play to the flag / whistle.

Euphoria · 01-11-2010, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by cargojon

I called Bob Papa and Randy Cross this morning on Sirius to discuss this - unfortunately my cell phone got cut off before I could finish my point.

There cannot be a roughing the passer penalty on a fumble (so I've read anyway on Schefter's twitter). However, the call SHOULD have been an interception which means RTP is in force.

I guarantee you if that ball had hit the ground before Dansby grabbed it and headed towards the end zone, it would have been overturned as an incomplete pass. Terrible job of officiating.

Not true... if defensive play puts his hand in the face of the QB or blow to the head while he is in the pocket, I don't care what happens its 'roughing the passer'. If its an INT or fumble by the QB then that team/QB maintains possession 15 yards and a first down.

The ball didn't hit the ground so its really not up for debate weather it applies to the tuck rule or not.

By the letter of the rule the Ref judges the intent of the QB weather he is passing or tucking. If the Ref feels he is neither passing or tucking and the Cardnial player simply knocked the ball out of his hand then its a fumble. Its really another judgment call and based on my viewing of the play even in slow-mo I'd call it a fumble because the intent of thowing the ball isn't there at that moment. The QB's intent was to dodge being hit by evidence of the play.

What some people tend to forget this is a game that leaves a lot to be inturpret. Even some of the rules or left up for the refs judgement. some of the rules aren't so hard fast, black and white.

strato · 01-11-2010, 06:26 PM

Originally Posted by lynwood

I blame making a bunch of sissy rules up that are difficult to enforce, and determine game outcomes. This wouldn't be an issue 10-20 years ago.

Also notice how everytime a receiver misses a catch he looks for a flag? This is going to get worse than soccer or the NBA.

He got smacked,lost the ball, play football.

I could care less who one that game.

Rant done

I bet you wouldnt feel that way if that happened to us...it was bad officiating..lets hope those damn zebras dont ruin our season..

01-11-2010, 04:01 PM	#11
exile Cake or Death? Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,608	Re: The "Non Call" Originally Posted by Euphoria Its still a judgement call. Just like any other penalty. Its up to the ref to call it or not. Tru dat. But it was fairly obvious. Which is why the Packerrooters are hating it.
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01-11-2010, 04:06 PM	#12
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: The "Non Call" Originally Posted by exile Tru dat. But it was fairly obvious. Which is why the Packerrooters are hating it. I totally agree. I can see that being ruled and called in several ways in which case I don't thing the Cards deserve to lose the game as much as the Packers deserved to win the game. So call it a wash and next time GB don't allow that to happen next time. Come out ready to play and not stink up the first quarter.

01-11-2010, 04:25 PM	#13
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,052	Re: The "Non Call" Originally Posted by Euphoria Its still a judgement call. Just like any other penalty. Its up to the ref to call it or not. I agree. Just hope for good judgment.

01-11-2010, 04:28 PM	#14
darstep SaintSince67 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PortCity Posts: 2,044	Re: The "Non Call" Originally Posted by Euphoria ...don't allow that to happen next time. Come out ready to play and not stink up the first quarter. sounds like the skillet and the kettle

01-11-2010, 04:44 PM	#15
RealDeal37 $aint'z "101" Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Shreveport (Port City), La Posts: 113	Re: The "Non Call" LoL... Im not try'n to be an ass or nothing, but i have NO idea were some folks get the rules of football from... To sum it all up for u all... YES, the ball was knocked loose before he grabbed his facemask, but unless the Cards had recovered & had complete control of the ball prior to it, it would've been 15yd penalty & Packer's ball. The only way the Card's could've gotten the ball, like i said wuz if they had complete posession of it BEFORE the facemask was grabbed!!! I can promise u all this much... Had there not been a fumble, the official would've called!!! That sum's it up... Either way though... Ref's obviously did'nt see it & was focused more on the fumble than anything else. I would hate to be the Packer's & lose that way, but its to NO surprise that official's dictate a team winning or losing!!!

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01-11-2010, 04:51 PM	#16
cargojon 500th Post Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 576	Re: The "Non Call" I called Bob Papa and Randy Cross this morning on Sirius to discuss this - unfortunately my cell phone got cut off before I could finish my point. There cannot be a roughing the passer penalty on a fumble (so I've read anyway on Schefter's twitter). However, the call SHOULD have been an interception which means RTP is in force. I guarantee you if that ball had hit the ground before Dansby grabbed it and headed towards the end zone, it would have been overturned as an incomplete pass. Terrible job of officiating.
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01-11-2010, 05:39 PM	#17
lynwood 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Hockley, Tx Posts: 1,515	Re: The "Non Call" I blame making a bunch of sissy rules up that are difficult to enforce, and determine game outcomes. This wouldn't be an issue 10-20 years ago. Also notice how everytime a receiver misses a catch he looks for a flag? This is going to get worse than soccer or the NBA. He got smacked,lost the ball, play football. I could care less who one that game. Rant done
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01-11-2010, 06:05 PM	#18
UK_WhoDat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Wherever I lay my hat Posts: 3,947	Re: The "Non Call" Originally Posted by lynwood Also notice how every time a receiver misses a catch he looks for a flag? This is going to get worse than soccer or the NBA. With you there completely. I hate it, hate it, hate it. Keep your lip shut and get on with it. O/T - It makes "soccer" games stupid. And the NBA already allow drawing the foul so play to the flag / whistle.

01-11-2010, 06:23 PM	#19
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: The "Non Call" Originally Posted by cargojon I called Bob Papa and Randy Cross this morning on Sirius to discuss this - unfortunately my cell phone got cut off before I could finish my point. There cannot be a roughing the passer penalty on a fumble (so I've read anyway on Schefter's twitter). However, the call SHOULD have been an interception which means RTP is in force. I guarantee you if that ball had hit the ground before Dansby grabbed it and headed towards the end zone, it would have been overturned as an incomplete pass. Terrible job of officiating. Not true... if defensive play puts his hand in the face of the QB or blow to the head while he is in the pocket, I don't care what happens its 'roughing the passer'. If its an INT or fumble by the QB then that team/QB maintains possession 15 yards and a first down. The ball didn't hit the ground so its really not up for debate weather it applies to the tuck rule or not. By the letter of the rule the Ref judges the intent of the QB weather he is passing or tucking. If the Ref feels he is neither passing or tucking and the Cardnial player simply knocked the ball out of his hand then its a fumble. Its really another judgment call and based on my viewing of the play even in slow-mo I'd call it a fumble because the intent of thowing the ball isn't there at that moment. The QB's intent was to dodge being hit by evidence of the play. What some people tend to forget this is a game that leaves a lot to be inturpret. Even some of the rules or left up for the refs judgement. some of the rules aren't so hard fast, black and white.
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01-11-2010, 06:26 PM	#20
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Re: The "Non Call" Originally Posted by lynwood I blame making a bunch of sissy rules up that are difficult to enforce, and determine game outcomes. This wouldn't be an issue 10-20 years ago. Also notice how everytime a receiver misses a catch he looks for a flag? This is going to get worse than soccer or the NBA. He got smacked,lost the ball, play football. I could care less who one that game. Rant done I bet you wouldnt feel that way if that happened to us...it was bad officiating..lets hope those damn zebras dont ruin our season..

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