My analysis of Beanie Wells

cargojon · 01-12-2010, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

if we had a running back that could run 15 times for nearly 100 yards every game then i would be more than happy with his production

you can not take away his accomplishments.....he earned those runs.....if he gets fed the ball only 10 to 15 times a game and still manages to pop off at least one long run then you shouldnt take that away because there are a lot more backs in the league that can run 20 to 25 times per game and not manage to pull off one of those big gainers

wells is goin to be a star in the league because he had the ability to learn behind a veteran line and a second year starter

he didnt have to jump into the starting lineup in game 1 and be a stud.....he had time to develop and when he made a mistake, he got to see what a proven guy would do in that situation

beanie is a legitimate threat because he can knock off those big runs

and most running backs in the league cant manage a 100 yard game without some type of big play at any given point in the game

Beanie's only broken 100 once this year, and only broken 80 once as well (not counting this playoff game).

My point is that he doesn't have great numbers. If a guy is cracking off a 20-30-40 yard run each game, it should translate into a higher total yard per game than what Beanie's getting. Meaning the rest of his runs aren't cutting it.

Let's compare to Pierre Thomas, who's broken the 80 figure three times and the 100 figure once as well.
Week 3 vs. BUF - 14 for 126 (9 ypc), take off his long of 34 and he's still at 7.1 YPC
Week 8 vs. ATL - 14 for 91 (6.5 ypc), take off his long of 30, and he's still at 4.4 ypc
The first Tampa game - take of his long of 23 and he's averaging 6.3 ypc.

This is what I don't see out of Beanie.

st thomas · 01-12-2010, 02:39 PM

ADVANTAGE P.T. BABY. LETS ROLL

Rugby Saint II · 01-12-2010, 02:59 PM

If I remember correctly the knock on Beanie Wells coming out of college was that he had durability issues or something like that. Anyway, I think Payton wanted this guy and that carries a lot of weight with me. On the positive side Payton should understand his tendencies and can share that with GW. With our linebackers back and healthy we should be hammering him every time he touches the ball. Also, I hope that Harper has a great game and drops the hammer on the ball carrier.

papz · 01-12-2010, 04:11 PM

Beanie has played well this year... the only thing that's plagued him this year is his inability to hold on to the football. You can't take those 20 yard runs away from him. Those 3 and 4 yard grinders eventually set up his long runs. Back in the day when Deuce was here, his constant pounding allowed him to break those long runs down the field. Also having a less than 4 YPC average does not make you a below average running back.

Jerome Bettis averaged 3.9 YPC for his career. I don't know if you have watched Jamal Charles play this year, but if you take away all those long runs he had, I guess that makes him a below average running back also... which is ridiculous. You can't fault him for consistently breaking long runs.

strato · 01-12-2010, 04:15 PM

Originally Posted by papz

Beanie has played well this year... the only thing that's plagued him this year is his inability to hold on to the football. You can't take those 20 yard runs away from him. Those 3 and 4 yard grinders eventually set up his long runs. Back in the day when Deuce was here, his constant pounding allowed him to break those long runs down the field. Also having a less than 4 YPC average does not make you a below average running back.

Jerome Bettis averaged 3.9 YPC for his career. I don't know if you have watched Jamal Charles play this year, but if you take away all those long runs he had, I guess that makes him a below average running back also... which is ridiculous. You can't fault him for consistently breaking long runs.

I was in a band with Jamal Charles uncle..

strato · 01-12-2010, 04:17 PM

Chill out bra...lol..i root for the big 12..i was sorta agreeing with you..

CantonLegend · 01-13-2010, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by cargojon

Beanie's only broken 100 once this year, and only broken 80 once as well (not counting this playoff game).

yea dont count the game against the 2nd rated defense in the league...that wouldnt make sense

My point is that he doesn't have great numbers. If a guy is cracking off a 20-30-40 yard run each game, it should translate into a higher total yard per game than what Beanie's getting. Meaning the rest of his runs aren't cutting it.

and here is the difference.....PT is our starter...wells is the 2nd string guy....at least for the majority of the season he was

just like bell, he was their short yardage guy in certain situations....despite hightower being the bigger back and the better receiver, wells still got his short yardage touches and ended up turning them into big gains......you dont see that out of bell a whole lot

his short yardage is due in large part to their offensive scheme and line......they dont have the best run blocking line....and they like to pass a lot more than run.....just like we did that past several games......and look how our rushing production dropped

the bad thing is that we dont commit to the run like the cardinals did.....when wells ran for only 2 or 3 yards, they still fed him the ball....when PT ran for only 2 or 3 yards we went back to passing

Originally Posted by strato

Chill out bra...lol..i root for the big 12..i was sorta agreeing with you..

sorry but i once read a post that coincides greatly with this issue at hand

keep your college football discussion out of my saints conversation

what that topic is doing is turning fellow saints fans against each other because of where they live and the other affiliations they have......im more than willing to talk about college football.....but not here

i could go on for days about the rebirth of the big 10 and the flaws of the spread offense but because of the separation it creates among fellow saints fans, i choose not to

responding with a post that simply says, "spoken like a true ohio state fan," implies that what i said had no basis because of my obvious bias towards that player.....the same reason why many people didnt want to draft him is not the same reason why i like him.....

it has very little to do with the big 10

strato · 01-13-2010, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

yea dont count the game against the 2nd rated defense in the league...that wouldnt make sense

and here is the difference.....PT is our starter...wells is the 2nd string guy....at least for the majority of the season he was

just like bell, he was their short yardage guy in certain situations....despite hightower being the bigger back and the better receiver, wells still got his short yardage touches and ended up turning them into big gains......you dont see that out of bell a whole lot

his short yardage is due in large part to their offensive scheme and line......they dont have the best run blocking line....and they like to pass a lot more than run.....just like we did that past several games......and look how our rushing production dropped

the bad thing is that we dont commit to the run like the cardinals did.....when wells ran for only 2 or 3 yards, they still fed him the ball....when PT ran for only 2 or 3 yards we went back to passing

sorry but i once read a post that coincides greatly with this issue at hand

keep your college football discussion out of my saints conversation

what that topic is doing is turning fellow saints fans against each other because of where they live and the other affiliations they have......im more than willing to talk about college football.....but not here

i could go on for days about the rebirth of the big 10 and the flaws of the spread offense but because of the separation it creates among fellow saints fans, i choose not to

responding with a post that simply says, "spoken like a true ohio state fan," implies that what i said had no basis because of my obvious bias towards that player.....the same reason why many people didnt want to draft him is not the same reason why i like him.....

it has very little to do with the big 10

Ok CL..theres no need to get huffy ,,were all fans of the Saints....We can discuss this in the college forum if you want..
Peace

cargojon · 01-13-2010, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

yea dont count the game against the 2nd rated defense in the league...that wouldnt make sense

and here is the difference.....PT is our starter...wells is the 2nd string guy....at least for the majority of the season he was

just like bell, he was their short yardage guy in certain situations....despite hightower being the bigger back and the better receiver, wells still got his short yardage touches and ended up turning them into big gains......you dont see that out of bell a whole lot

his short yardage is due in large part to their offensive scheme and line......they dont have the best run blocking line....and they like to pass a lot more than run.....just like we did that past several games......and look how our rushing production dropped

the bad thing is that we dont commit to the run like the cardinals did.....when wells ran for only 2 or 3 yards, they still fed him the ball....when PT ran for only 2 or 3 yards we went back to passing

sorry but i once read a post that coincides greatly with this issue at hand

keep your college football discussion out of my saints conversation

what that topic is doing is turning fellow saints fans against each other because of where they live and the other affiliations they have......im more than willing to talk about college football.....but not here

i could go on for days about the rebirth of the big 10 and the flaws of the spread offense but because of the separation it creates among fellow saints fans, i choose not to

responding with a post that simply says, "spoken like a true ohio state fan," implies that what i said had no basis because of my obvious bias towards that player.....the same reason why many people didnt want to draft him is not the same reason why i like him.....

it has very little to do with the big 10

Man you woulda thought I dissed an LSU player on SR.com or something.

Seriously, I don't think the guy sucks...just that our running game > their running game contrary to what the Cards fans love to tout.

PS - I like the Big 10, I'm a Penn State fan.

strato · 01-13-2010, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by cargojon

Man you woulda thought I dissed an LSU player on SR.com or something.

Seriously, I don't think the guy sucks...just that our running game > their running game contrary to what the Cards fans love to tout.

PS - I like the Big 10, I'm a Penn State fan.

I agree..were talkin Beanie Wells trying to run on us and it not happening..

01-12-2010, 02:32 PM	#1
cargojon 500th Post Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 576	Re: My analysis of Beanie Wells Originally Posted by CantonLegend if we had a running back that could run 15 times for nearly 100 yards every game then i would be more than happy with his production you can not take away his accomplishments.....he earned those runs.....if he gets fed the ball only 10 to 15 times a game and still manages to pop off at least one long run then you shouldnt take that away because there are a lot more backs in the league that can run 20 to 25 times per game and not manage to pull off one of those big gainers wells is goin to be a star in the league because he had the ability to learn behind a veteran line and a second year starter he didnt have to jump into the starting lineup in game 1 and be a stud.....he had time to develop and when he made a mistake, he got to see what a proven guy would do in that situation beanie is a legitimate threat because he can knock off those big runs and most running backs in the league cant manage a 100 yard game without some type of big play at any given point in the game Beanie's only broken 100 once this year, and only broken 80 once as well (not counting this playoff game). My point is that he doesn't have great numbers. If a guy is cracking off a 20-30-40 yard run each game, it should translate into a higher total yard per game than what Beanie's getting. Meaning the rest of his runs aren't cutting it. Let's compare to Pierre Thomas, who's broken the 80 figure three times and the 100 figure once as well. Week 3 vs. BUF - 14 for 126 (9 ypc), take off his long of 34 and he's still at 7.1 YPC Week 8 vs. ATL - 14 for 91 (6.5 ypc), take off his long of 30, and he's still at 4.4 ypc The first Tampa game - take of his long of 23 and he's averaging 6.3 ypc. This is what I don't see out of Beanie.
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01-12-2010, 02:39 PM	#2
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: My analysis of Beanie Wells ADVANTAGE P.T. BABY. LETS ROLL

01-12-2010, 02:59 PM	#3
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,167	Re: My analysis of Beanie Wells If I remember correctly the knock on Beanie Wells coming out of college was that he had durability issues or something like that. Anyway, I think Payton wanted this guy and that carries a lot of weight with me. On the positive side Payton should understand his tendencies and can share that with GW. With our linebackers back and healthy we should be hammering him every time he touches the ball. Also, I hope that Harper has a great game and drops the hammer on the ball carrier.

01-12-2010, 04:11 PM	#4
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,793	Re: My analysis of Beanie Wells Beanie has played well this year... the only thing that's plagued him this year is his inability to hold on to the football. You can't take those 20 yard runs away from him. Those 3 and 4 yard grinders eventually set up his long runs. Back in the day when Deuce was here, his constant pounding allowed him to break those long runs down the field. Also having a less than 4 YPC average does not make you a below average running back. Jerome Bettis averaged 3.9 YPC for his career. I don't know if you have watched Jamal Charles play this year, but if you take away all those long runs he had, I guess that makes him a below average running back also... which is ridiculous. You can't fault him for consistently breaking long runs.
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01-12-2010, 04:15 PM	#5
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Re: My analysis of Beanie Wells Originally Posted by papz Beanie has played well this year... the only thing that's plagued him this year is his inability to hold on to the football. You can't take those 20 yard runs away from him. Those 3 and 4 yard grinders eventually set up his long runs. Back in the day when Deuce was here, his constant pounding allowed him to break those long runs down the field. Also having a less than 4 YPC average does not make you a below average running back. Jerome Bettis averaged 3.9 YPC for his career. I don't know if you have watched Jamal Charles play this year, but if you take away all those long runs he had, I guess that makes him a below average running back also... which is ridiculous. You can't fault him for consistently breaking long runs. I was in a band with Jamal Charles uncle..

01-12-2010, 04:17 PM	#6
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Re: My analysis of Beanie Wells Chill out bra...lol..i root for the big 12..i was sorta agreeing with you..

01-13-2010, 10:17 AM	#7
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: My analysis of Beanie Wells Originally Posted by cargojon Beanie's only broken 100 once this year, and only broken 80 once as well (not counting this playoff game). yea dont count the game against the 2nd rated defense in the league...that wouldnt make sense My point is that he doesn't have great numbers. If a guy is cracking off a 20-30-40 yard run each game, it should translate into a higher total yard per game than what Beanie's getting. Meaning the rest of his runs aren't cutting it. and here is the difference.....PT is our starter...wells is the 2nd string guy....at least for the majority of the season he was just like bell, he was their short yardage guy in certain situations....despite hightower being the bigger back and the better receiver, wells still got his short yardage touches and ended up turning them into big gains......you dont see that out of bell a whole lot his short yardage is due in large part to their offensive scheme and line......they dont have the best run blocking line....and they like to pass a lot more than run.....just like we did that past several games......and look how our rushing production dropped the bad thing is that we dont commit to the run like the cardinals did.....when wells ran for only 2 or 3 yards, they still fed him the ball....when PT ran for only 2 or 3 yards we went back to passing Originally Posted by strato Chill out bra...lol..i root for the big 12..i was sorta agreeing with you.. sorry but i once read a post that coincides greatly with this issue at hand keep your college football discussion out of my saints conversation what that topic is doing is turning fellow saints fans against each other because of where they live and the other affiliations they have......im more than willing to talk about college football.....but not here i could go on for days about the rebirth of the big 10 and the flaws of the spread offense but because of the separation it creates among fellow saints fans, i choose not to responding with a post that simply says, "spoken like a true ohio state fan," implies that what i said had no basis because of my obvious bias towards that player.....the same reason why many people didnt want to draft him is not the same reason why i like him..... it has very little to do with the big 10
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01-13-2010, 10:22 AM	#8
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Re: My analysis of Beanie Wells Originally Posted by CantonLegend yea dont count the game against the 2nd rated defense in the league...that wouldnt make sense and here is the difference.....PT is our starter...wells is the 2nd string guy....at least for the majority of the season he was just like bell, he was their short yardage guy in certain situations....despite hightower being the bigger back and the better receiver, wells still got his short yardage touches and ended up turning them into big gains......you dont see that out of bell a whole lot his short yardage is due in large part to their offensive scheme and line......they dont have the best run blocking line....and they like to pass a lot more than run.....just like we did that past several games......and look how our rushing production dropped the bad thing is that we dont commit to the run like the cardinals did.....when wells ran for only 2 or 3 yards, they still fed him the ball....when PT ran for only 2 or 3 yards we went back to passing sorry but i once read a post that coincides greatly with this issue at hand keep your college football discussion out of my saints conversation what that topic is doing is turning fellow saints fans against each other because of where they live and the other affiliations they have......im more than willing to talk about college football.....but not here i could go on for days about the rebirth of the big 10 and the flaws of the spread offense but because of the separation it creates among fellow saints fans, i choose not to responding with a post that simply says, "spoken like a true ohio state fan," implies that what i said had no basis because of my obvious bias towards that player.....the same reason why many people didnt want to draft him is not the same reason why i like him..... it has very little to do with the big 10 Ok CL..theres no need to get huffy ,,were all fans of the Saints....We can discuss this in the college forum if you want.. Peace

01-13-2010, 11:22 AM	#9
cargojon 500th Post Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 576	Re: My analysis of Beanie Wells Originally Posted by CantonLegend yea dont count the game against the 2nd rated defense in the league...that wouldnt make sense and here is the difference.....PT is our starter...wells is the 2nd string guy....at least for the majority of the season he was just like bell, he was their short yardage guy in certain situations....despite hightower being the bigger back and the better receiver, wells still got his short yardage touches and ended up turning them into big gains......you dont see that out of bell a whole lot his short yardage is due in large part to their offensive scheme and line......they dont have the best run blocking line....and they like to pass a lot more than run.....just like we did that past several games......and look how our rushing production dropped the bad thing is that we dont commit to the run like the cardinals did.....when wells ran for only 2 or 3 yards, they still fed him the ball....when PT ran for only 2 or 3 yards we went back to passing sorry but i once read a post that coincides greatly with this issue at hand keep your college football discussion out of my saints conversation what that topic is doing is turning fellow saints fans against each other because of where they live and the other affiliations they have......im more than willing to talk about college football.....but not here i could go on for days about the rebirth of the big 10 and the flaws of the spread offense but because of the separation it creates among fellow saints fans, i choose not to responding with a post that simply says, "spoken like a true ohio state fan," implies that what i said had no basis because of my obvious bias towards that player.....the same reason why many people didnt want to draft him is not the same reason why i like him..... it has very little to do with the big 10 Man you woulda thought I dissed an LSU player on SR.com or something. Seriously, I don't think the guy sucks...just that our running game > their running game contrary to what the Cards fans love to tout. PS - I like the Big 10, I'm a Penn State fan.
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01-13-2010, 11:25 AM	#10
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Re: My analysis of Beanie Wells Originally Posted by cargojon Man you woulda thought I dissed an LSU player on SR.com or something. Seriously, I don't think the guy sucks...just that our running game > their running game contrary to what the Cards fans love to tout. PS - I like the Big 10, I'm a Penn State fan. I agree..were talkin Beanie Wells trying to run on us and it not happening..