#1 O vs #6 D and #5 O vs #25 D Who wins?

SaintPauly · 01-19-2010, 08:25 PM

Excuses? First, let's go ahead and look at the fact that the Saints defense was in the top ten, in the first half of the season, against both the pass, and the run. Then we lost one of our starting DTs for the season. Two of our lbs went down for about three weeks, and here's the kicker, BOTH of our starting corners went down for what was almost the rest of the season.

As soon as both of our starting corners came back, our pass defense has been MUCH better, and they are playing exactly like they were the first of the year. So if I were you, I wouldn't underestimate our defense, whether it's against the run, or the pass. Arizona did the same thing, and they were all soaking in ice for about a day, after Saturday.

saintsfan1976 · 01-19-2010, 08:27 PM

Originally Posted by saintpaul25

Excuses? First, let's go ahead and look at the fact that the Saints defense was in the top ten, in the first half of the season, against both the pass, and the run. Then we lost one of our starting DTs for the season. Two of our lbs went down for about three weeks, and here's the kicker, BOTH of our starting corners went down for what was almost the rest of the season.

As soon as both of our starting corners came back, our pass defense has been MUCH better, and they are playing exactly like they were the first of the year. So if I were you, I wouldn't underestimate our defense, whether it's against the run, or the pass. Arizona did the same thing, and they were all soaking in ice for about a day, after Saturday.

I prefer they continue to underestimate - especially the coaches.

MN_Pack_Fan · 01-19-2010, 08:29 PM

Saints D looked pretty good last week against a team that scored 45 the week before. They completely shut down Fitzgerald until the game was over.

When the Saints go 4 or 5 wide who is going to cover those guys? Winfield is injured and not very good at this time because of said injury and their safeties are terrible. If the Saints LT gets injured early then maybe Allen will do some damage, he seems to make huge waves against 2nd and 3rd stringers (yes I realize Brown is technically the starting LT but he's been out all year).

Unlike the Cowboys the Saints actually throw to their WR. I don't think Tony Stinko actually threw a pass to a WR the entire 2nd half. Everything was to Witten and nothing else.

Vike4Life · 01-19-2010, 08:57 PM

Originally Posted by saintpaul25

Excuses? First, let's go ahead and look at the fact that the Saints defense was in the top ten, in the first half of the season, against both the pass, and the run. Then we lost one of our starting DTs for the season. Two of our lbs went down for about three weeks, and here's the kicker, BOTH of our starting corners went down for what was almost the rest of the season.

As soon as both of our starting corners came back, our pass defense has been MUCH better, and they are playing exactly like they were the first of the year. So if I were you, I wouldn't underestimate our defense, whether it's against the run, or the pass. Arizona did the same thing, and they were all soaking in ice for about a day, after Saturday.

That's what I ment about excuses... injuries are a fact of the NFL. Vikes have had their fair share too, but our D is still #6. We are actually playing a 5th round rookie at MLB, because the starter broke his leg. Brinkley played great in shutting down Barber and Felix Jones, I imagine he'll do the same against Bush, Thomas, and Bell.

The Vikes D is ready to put pressure on Brees, so he can have a Dallas like day in NO... 4 sacks, 1 INT, 2 lost fumbles, 81 rating.

breesfan27 · 01-19-2010, 09:02 PM

Great post D_it_up!

Spoken like someone who actually KNOWS what they are talking about!

Kudos!

SaintPauly · 01-19-2010, 09:19 PM

Originally Posted by Vike4Life

That's what I ment about excuses... injuries are a fact of the NFL. Vikes have had their fair share too, but our D is still #6. We are actually playing a 5th round rookie at MLB, because the starter broke his leg. Brinkley played great in shutting down Barber and Felix Jones, I imagine he'll do the same against Bush, Thomas, and Bell.

The Vikes D is ready to put pressure on Brees, so he can have a Dallas like day in NO... 4 sacks, 1 INT, 2 lost fumbles, 81 rating.

Ok. At which point in the season, were you guys down 3 DBs, and having to hit the street to find FAs, to fill the holes? Do you even know how many CBs we signed and released since October? About 5. Our safety play, in our defensive scheme, becomes mute, when you don't have quality cover corners. Instead of playing the run, or just watching for opportunities for picks, they were put in the role of double coverage.

Our defensive scheme, and the Vikes, are like comparing apples to oranges.

WillMacKenzie · 01-19-2010, 09:43 PM

The Saints are going to roll you up in your Viking's snuggie and beat you senseless, boy. I'm going to be so embarrassed for your squad

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the-commish · 01-19-2010, 09:33 PM

Originally Posted by Vike4Life

That's what I ment about excuses... injuries are a fact of the NFL. Vikes have had their fair share too, but our D is still #6. We are actually playing a 5th round rookie at MLB, because the starter broke his leg. Brinkley played great in shutting down Barber and Felix Jones, I imagine he'll do the same against Bush, Thomas, and Bell.

The Vikes D is ready to put pressure on Brees, so he can have a Dallas like day in NO... 4 sacks, 1 INT, 2 lost fumbles, 81 rating.

Dream on! And do come back after the Saints oust the Vikes, and admit that you were wrong!

SaintPauly · 01-19-2010, 08:29 PM

"Favre has protected the ball all year, so I don't think he's going to collapse against the Saints."

How many ints did he throw in the losses to Carolina, Arizona, and Chicago? In three games.... Just curious. If he could do it in three season games, that basically would have given you guys homefield, because of our "3 game slide", then why wouldn't you believe he could do it for the shot at the superbowl? He did it before in Green Bay, many times. ESPECIALLY in the NFCCG.

saintsfan1976 · 01-19-2010, 08:34 PM

One thing I'd like to add is that the Saints MUST run the football well to win.

Our success running vs AZ helped win that game. (171yds)

It'll be a tough task, bc MINN's run D has looked good recently and especially against Dallas' RB's.

Paging Willie Roaf...

01-19-2010, 08:25 PM	#1
SaintPauly Senior Citizen Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Gulfport, MS Posts: 3,180 Blog Entries: 1	Re: #1 O vs #6 D and #5 O vs #25 D Who wins? Excuses? First, let's go ahead and look at the fact that the Saints defense was in the top ten, in the first half of the season, against both the pass, and the run. Then we lost one of our starting DTs for the season. Two of our lbs went down for about three weeks, and here's the kicker, BOTH of our starting corners went down for what was almost the rest of the season. As soon as both of our starting corners came back, our pass defense has been MUCH better, and they are playing exactly like they were the first of the year. So if I were you, I wouldn't underestimate our defense, whether it's against the run, or the pass. Arizona did the same thing, and they were all soaking in ice for about a day, after Saturday.
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01-19-2010, 08:29 PM	#3
MN_Pack_Fan Rookie Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 14	Re: #1 O vs #6 D and #5 O vs #25 D Who wins? Saints D looked pretty good last week against a team that scored 45 the week before. They completely shut down Fitzgerald until the game was over. When the Saints go 4 or 5 wide who is going to cover those guys? Winfield is injured and not very good at this time because of said injury and their safeties are terrible. If the Saints LT gets injured early then maybe Allen will do some damage, he seems to make huge waves against 2nd and 3rd stringers (yes I realize Brown is technically the starting LT but he's been out all year). Unlike the Cowboys the Saints actually throw to their WR. I don't think Tony Stinko actually threw a pass to a WR the entire 2nd half. Everything was to Witten and nothing else.
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01-19-2010, 08:57 PM	#4
Vike4Life Registered Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 72	Re: #1 O vs #6 D and #5 O vs #25 D Who wins? Originally Posted by saintpaul25 Excuses? First, let's go ahead and look at the fact that the Saints defense was in the top ten, in the first half of the season, against both the pass, and the run. Then we lost one of our starting DTs for the season. Two of our lbs went down for about three weeks, and here's the kicker, BOTH of our starting corners went down for what was almost the rest of the season. As soon as both of our starting corners came back, our pass defense has been MUCH better, and they are playing exactly like they were the first of the year. So if I were you, I wouldn't underestimate our defense, whether it's against the run, or the pass. Arizona did the same thing, and they were all soaking in ice for about a day, after Saturday. That's what I ment about excuses... injuries are a fact of the NFL. Vikes have had their fair share too, but our D is still #6. We are actually playing a 5th round rookie at MLB, because the starter broke his leg. Brinkley played great in shutting down Barber and Felix Jones, I imagine he'll do the same against Bush, Thomas, and Bell. The Vikes D is ready to put pressure on Brees, so he can have a Dallas like day in NO... 4 sacks, 1 INT, 2 lost fumbles, 81 rating.
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01-19-2010, 09:43 PM	#7
WillMacKenzie 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,627	Re: #1 O vs #6 D and #5 O vs #25 D Who wins? The Saints are going to roll you up in your Viking's snuggie and beat you senseless, boy. I'm going to be so embarrassed for your squad.

01-19-2010, 09:33 PM	#8
the-commish Longtime WhoDat Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Henderson, NV Posts: 529	Re: #1 O vs #6 D and #5 O vs #25 D Who wins? Originally Posted by Vike4Life That's what I ment about excuses... injuries are a fact of the NFL. Vikes have had their fair share too, but our D is still #6. We are actually playing a 5th round rookie at MLB, because the starter broke his leg. Brinkley played great in shutting down Barber and Felix Jones, I imagine he'll do the same against Bush, Thomas, and Bell. The Vikes D is ready to put pressure on Brees, so he can have a Dallas like day in NO... 4 sacks, 1 INT, 2 lost fumbles, 81 rating. Dream on! And do come back after the Saints oust the Vikes, and admit that you were wrong!

01-19-2010, 08:27 PM	#2
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,020 Blog Entries: 3	Re: #1 O vs #6 D and #5 O vs #25 D Who wins? Originally Posted by saintpaul25 Excuses? First, let's go ahead and look at the fact that the Saints defense was in the top ten, in the first half of the season, against both the pass, and the run. Then we lost one of our starting DTs for the season. Two of our lbs went down for about three weeks, and here's the kicker, BOTH of our starting corners went down for what was almost the rest of the season. As soon as both of our starting corners came back, our pass defense has been MUCH better, and they are playing exactly like they were the first of the year. So if I were you, I wouldn't underestimate our defense, whether it's against the run, or the pass. Arizona did the same thing, and they were all soaking in ice for about a day, after Saturday. I prefer they continue to underestimate - especially the coaches.

01-19-2010, 09:02 PM	#5
breesfan27 Mrs. Drew Brees Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: The Who Dat Nation (by way of South Dakota) Posts: 2,276 Blog Entries: 1	Re: #1 O vs #6 D and #5 O vs #25 D Who wins? Great post D_it_up! Spoken like someone who actually KNOWS what they are talking about! Kudos!

01-19-2010, 09:19 PM	#6
SaintPauly Senior Citizen Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Gulfport, MS Posts: 3,180 Blog Entries: 1	Re: #1 O vs #6 D and #5 O vs #25 D Who wins? Originally Posted by Vike4Life That's what I ment about excuses... injuries are a fact of the NFL. Vikes have had their fair share too, but our D is still #6. We are actually playing a 5th round rookie at MLB, because the starter broke his leg. Brinkley played great in shutting down Barber and Felix Jones, I imagine he'll do the same against Bush, Thomas, and Bell. The Vikes D is ready to put pressure on Brees, so he can have a Dallas like day in NO... 4 sacks, 1 INT, 2 lost fumbles, 81 rating. Ok. At which point in the season, were you guys down 3 DBs, and having to hit the street to find FAs, to fill the holes? Do you even know how many CBs we signed and released since October? About 5. Our safety play, in our defensive scheme, becomes mute, when you don't have quality cover corners. Instead of playing the run, or just watching for opportunities for picks, they were put in the role of double coverage. Our defensive scheme, and the Vikes, are like comparing apples to oranges.

01-19-2010, 08:34 PM	#10
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,020 Blog Entries: 3	Re: #1 O vs #6 D and #5 O vs #25 D Who wins? One thing I'd like to add is that the Saints MUST run the football well to win. Our success running vs AZ helped win that game. (171yds) It'll be a tough task, bc MINN's run D has looked good recently and especially against Dallas' RB's. Paging Willie Roaf...