New Orleans Saints Forums - blackandgold.com - OMG - GOODWIN makes PRO-BOWL ahead of Faine???

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Originally Posted by papz (Post 196028)

I'm not 100% on this but alternates have nothing to do with the fans voting of the Pro Bowl starters.

its not just the starters that are voted on by the fans....its the leading vote getters from around the league that get into the pro bowl....the votes count towards starters, backups and reserves depending on who gets the most votes

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I know exactly who Droughns is. He was a backup in Denver prior to going to Cleveland. He played some fullback and running back in Denver. He even had a 1,000 yard season there. Let's not pretend you're the only person who knows the guy... I watch a LOT of football. Don't insult my intelligence... "people who know football"... ROFL. As far as I'm concerned, there's 5 people that play on the OL(didn't know I knew that did you!?) Each had an instrumental part in helping him obtaining his second 1,000 yard season... not just Faine.

fwiw the first part of that was about droughns....the other part was referring back to faine....people were not excited to see faine go because he was talented.....but many also believed that bentley was equally as talented and slightly more versatile including myself

i wasnt insulting your football knowledge....just laying out a generic statement about the average football fan not knowing many linemen......including faine......just because people dont hear about linemen, doesnt mean they arent any good.....faine was the only lineman on the browns worth noting during reuben droughns' 1000 yard season and thats why i brought that up

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I'm sure Cleveland felt that way... which is why they decided to trade him being that "top 5" center he was in this league. That makes so much sense don't you agree? :rolleyes:

good players get traded all the time......the browns felt that bentley would help them more apparently.....the saints sure as hell didnt get faine for no reason......its not always about getting rid of players, sometimes its about rebuilding and faine was part of it.....the saints were getting a proven player that they could help build an offensive line around after they had lost bentley

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Huh? Did I say he's the better player? Did I even imply that? In fact I've said Faine is better in my opinion. Let me break it down for you... we are playing at a high level right now with Goodwin under center, at a significant fraction of the cost, and he's been recognized by his colleagues as a pretty good center in this league... so right now, I wouldn't have it any other way than have Goodwin on our line. I don't understand how I wrote a whole paragraph about Goodwin yet you say what I wrote has nothing to do with him. :confused:

you are sayin you want goodwin because of how good the team is doing right now....not because goodwin is actually the better player......thats what i was saying....thats what i was summing up so i could better understand where you are comin from

in essence it has very little to do with how goodwin is and a lot more to do with how well the team is playing with the players we have right now

thats not to say we couldnt be better with faine, just saying we are fine right now with goodwin....which can also be debated

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Pierre Thomas, Heath Evans, Jonathan Goodwin, Jason Kyle, etc. There are more... I just don't feel like going over all those threads finding them all.

lol i admitted PT was good.....heath evans was exactly what everybody said he was goin to be.....he is a receiver out of the backfield.....now on injured reserve.....however, the running back that ran behind our former fullback was second in the league in rushing yards

i wasnt wrong about heath evans at all....i knew what he was....but he wasnt what i wanted.....i wanted us to continue to pound the ball and mike karney is the better of the 2 at run blocking....that is a completely different conversation tho

jason kyle? our long snapper? really? i was wrong about him? i said something along the lines of "you dont fix what ain't broken"......getting rid of our long snapper was a mistake purely because of the continuity we lost......i know our kickin game is significantly worse this year than it was last season

im not going to put that on kyle, but there is something very wrong with our kicking game

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I don't feel like playing this game. We're 14-3, have one of the best offensive lines in the league, and our center is a ProBowler. I'm sure you can figure that out on your own.

you dont feel like doin the work to prove me wrong.....which is fine because we've gone back and forth on this more than anybody here and neither of us is ever going to sway without some sort of obvious change in goodwin's play

the difference is that i am more than willing to admit when i am wrong and like i said before......when im wrong about goodwin i'll admit it.....but im not wrong about goodwin yet

im well aware of how you feel about my ability to evaluate talent but there isnt another poster here who talks down to me about that the way you do......i feel very confident in my ability to locate our playmakers, not at the skill positions, but at the silent positions.....the players behind the scenes that dont get credit for doin the dirty work

players like karney, stecker, houser, faine etc etc

i take pride in being able to watch those players because most people are so dazzled by drew throwing it down the field to realize what actually took place in that play to make his TD passes so easy