CantonLegend

its not just the starters that are voted on by the fans....its the leading vote getters from around the league that get into the pro bowl....the votes count towards starters, backups and reserves depending on who gets the most votes

fwiw the first part of that was about droughns....the other part was referring back to faine....people were not excited to see faine go because he was talented.....but many also believed that bentley was equally as talented and slightly more versatile including myself

i wasnt insulting your football knowledge....just laying out a generic statement about the average football fan not knowing many linemen......including faine......just because people dont hear about linemen, doesnt mean they arent any good.....faine was the only lineman on the browns worth noting during reuben droughns' 1000 yard season and thats why i brought that up

good players get traded all the time......the browns felt that bentley would help them more apparently.....the saints sure as hell didnt get faine for no reason......its not always about getting rid of players, sometimes its about rebuilding and faine was part of it.....the saints were getting a proven player that they could help build an offensive line around after they had lost bentley

you are sayin you want goodwin because of how good the team is doing right now....not because goodwin is actually the better player......thats what i was saying....thats what i was summing up so i could better understand where you are comin from

in essence it has very little to do with how goodwin is and a lot more to do with how well the team is playing with the players we have right now

thats not to say we couldnt be better with faine, just saying we are fine right now with goodwin....which can also be debated

lol i admitted PT was good.....heath evans was exactly what everybody said he was goin to be.....he is a receiver out of the backfield.....now on injured reserve.....however, the running back that ran behind our former fullback was second in the league in rushing yards

i wasnt wrong about heath evans at all....i knew what he was....but he wasnt what i wanted.....i wanted us to continue to pound the ball and mike karney is the better of the 2 at run blocking....that is a completely different conversation tho

jason kyle? our long snapper? really? i was wrong about him? i said something along the lines of "you dont fix what ain't broken"......getting rid of our long snapper was a mistake purely because of the continuity we lost......i know our kickin game is significantly worse this year than it was last season

im not going to put that on kyle, but there is something very wrong with our kicking game

you dont feel like doin the work to prove me wrong.....which is fine because we've gone back and forth on this more than anybody here and neither of us is ever going to sway without some sort of obvious change in goodwin's play

the difference is that i am more than willing to admit when i am wrong and like i said before......when im wrong about goodwin i'll admit it.....but im not wrong about goodwin yet

im well aware of how you feel about my ability to evaluate talent but there isnt another poster here who talks down to me about that the way you do......i feel very confident in my ability to locate our playmakers, not at the skill positions, but at the silent positions.....the players behind the scenes that dont get credit for doin the dirty work

players like karney, stecker, houser, faine etc etc

i take pride in being able to watch those players because most people are so dazzled by drew throwing it down the field to realize what actually took place in that play to make his TD passes so easy

"deal with it or you can go play the saints and get trounced by 30 and you won't have to worry about it."-colin cowherd

strato

What team does Faine play for now??

Sorry i looked it up..the bucs..i had forgot..lol

CantonLegend

lol....hes gonna be real close to us when we go play in miami this year

maybe he can come visit and see what he is missing

for some reason, talented centers dont want to play in new orleans

faine didnt want to, bentley didnt want to.....according to many its only a matter of time before goodwin gets his fat check and moves on

strato

You would think they would ..with Drew behind them..I know Drew gets a lot of praise and well deserved ...but our line is starting to get noticed...Im wondering if we let Brown walk...im torn on that one..

CantonLegend

bushrod is also a free agent i believe.....we cant afford to keep them both this offseason and if this season tells us anything its that brown is clearly the elite tackle that most give him credit for being

bushrod has been trying to get playing time for his entire career but never could crack the lineup ahead of strief......its clear to me why he never won any playing time after watchin him play this season and because of that i cant see us renewing his contract after this season

strato

I think Bushrod has one more yr...

CantonLegend

bushrod signed a 3 year contract after he was drafted

2007, 2008, 2009.....his contract should be up after this season

i could be wrong about that but i remember reading that we had a lot of free agents to sign and he could be one of them

strato

Hmm im not sure..i thought he had one left..maybe not..i was thinking he had been here two yrs..