OMG - GOODWIN makes PRO-BOWL ahead of Faine???

FireVenturi · 01-20-2010, 09:54 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

faine was injured for a lot of the season and played on a team that was terrible

goodwin made the pro bowl by default because of the enormous amount of votes that all the saints players got this season

there is nothing that goodwin does better than faine.....absolutely nothing

there are several bright spots on the buccaneers team and faine is one of them

he will help build their offensive line back up because he is so versatile......hes big enough to plug up the middle and fast enough to pull from the center position as well as gettin up to the second level on chips to help block linebackers

goodwin rarely if ever pulls because he cant

the only reason he gets any recognition is because he is in between 2 of the best guards in the league and because he played on a team that is one of the best offensive teams the league has ever seen

Funny that in 07 I think when faine got hurt and Goodwin went in.....we started winning.
JG does one thing way better and thats calling out the protection changes.

CantonLegend · 01-20-2010, 11:47 PM

Originally Posted by papz

His size allows him to hold up better against bigger tackles. But as far as who's the better player, this year it's Goodwin and last year it was Faine... overall, Faine obviously.

Don't see why you have to continually dumb down what Goodwin has accomplished and what he turned himself in to. The man had a good year. I'm pretty sure when players and coaches were putting in their votes, they did so because they think he's a pretty good player in his own right... not because he plays btw Nicks and Evans. Is it impossible to think they all compliment each other and they're all good? The results seem to justify it.

It's like PT all over again... only this time it's Goodwin.

the difference between this and PT is that PT has proven himself.....goodwin doesnt do anything to justify starting in the NFL and i know thats hard for people that dont watch the line to understand.....but nobody is going to argue how dominant evans and nicks are

but when somebody can single out a center in between 2 studs dont you think there is something wrong? goodwin is doin a lot better with help from nicks this season, something he didnt get a lot of from jamar nesbit

like you said, faine is clearly the better center but he is playing on a terrible team with a terrible offensive line......who would you rather have in the long run? faine is the faster, more mobile, and smarter of the 2......its a shame that goodwin has to start at center because he would make a great backup all acrossed our line.....he could fill in at any position temporarily.....but he is not starter material

its not that i hate goodwin...its that when people give him credit for doin something, usually it wasnt even him that did it....usually he gets credit for doing something that he is not even responsible for

like the pressure up the middle argument......does anybody realize what the centers job is? his job is to double team whichever DT is lined up over him.....but rarely is his job to man up on a DT.....not only that, but when drew was getting sacked and giving up fumbles early on, it was pressure from the middle getting to him....

everybody gets beat....including evans and nicks, but goodwin cant manage to double team correctly most of the time and thats what gets on my nerves....if you cant pull as a center in the NFL then there is something very wrong and goodwin barely ever pulls because he cant

Originally Posted by FireVenturi

Funny that in 07 I think when faine got hurt and Goodwin went in.....we started winning.
JG does one thing way better and thats calling out the protection changes.

goodwin doesnt call out blocking schemes, drew does

im not exactly sure what you're talking about when you said we started winning when faine got hurt.....faine was hurt for 2 games during the 2007 season in which we won both games......however, we had won the 2 games prior to those 2 games

in 2007 we finished the season 7-9 and that was his last season as a saint......but you are blamin the wins and losses on him? do you forget about our future hall of famer we had starting at corner for 2007? his name was jason david.....what a stud

01-20-2010, 09:54 PM	#1
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	Re: OMG - GOODWIN makes PRO-BOWL ahead of Faine??? Originally Posted by CantonLegend faine was injured for a lot of the season and played on a team that was terrible goodwin made the pro bowl by default because of the enormous amount of votes that all the saints players got this season there is nothing that goodwin does better than faine.....absolutely nothing there are several bright spots on the buccaneers team and faine is one of them he will help build their offensive line back up because he is so versatile......hes big enough to plug up the middle and fast enough to pull from the center position as well as gettin up to the second level on chips to help block linebackers goodwin rarely if ever pulls because he cant the only reason he gets any recognition is because he is in between 2 of the best guards in the league and because he played on a team that is one of the best offensive teams the league has ever seen Funny that in 07 I think when faine got hurt and Goodwin went in.....we started winning. JG does one thing way better and thats calling out the protection changes.

01-20-2010, 11:47 PM	#2
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: OMG - GOODWIN makes PRO-BOWL ahead of Faine??? Originally Posted by papz His size allows him to hold up better against bigger tackles. But as far as who's the better player, this year it's Goodwin and last year it was Faine... overall, Faine obviously. Don't see why you have to continually dumb down what Goodwin has accomplished and what he turned himself in to. The man had a good year. I'm pretty sure when players and coaches were putting in their votes, they did so because they think he's a pretty good player in his own right... not because he plays btw Nicks and Evans. Is it impossible to think they all compliment each other and they're all good? The results seem to justify it. It's like PT all over again... only this time it's Goodwin. the difference between this and PT is that PT has proven himself.....goodwin doesnt do anything to justify starting in the NFL and i know thats hard for people that dont watch the line to understand.....but nobody is going to argue how dominant evans and nicks are but when somebody can single out a center in between 2 studs dont you think there is something wrong? goodwin is doin a lot better with help from nicks this season, something he didnt get a lot of from jamar nesbit like you said, faine is clearly the better center but he is playing on a terrible team with a terrible offensive line......who would you rather have in the long run? faine is the faster, more mobile, and smarter of the 2......its a shame that goodwin has to start at center because he would make a great backup all acrossed our line.....he could fill in at any position temporarily.....but he is not starter material its not that i hate goodwin...its that when people give him credit for doin something, usually it wasnt even him that did it....usually he gets credit for doing something that he is not even responsible for like the pressure up the middle argument......does anybody realize what the centers job is? his job is to double team whichever DT is lined up over him.....but rarely is his job to man up on a DT.....not only that, but when drew was getting sacked and giving up fumbles early on, it was pressure from the middle getting to him.... everybody gets beat....including evans and nicks, but goodwin cant manage to double team correctly most of the time and thats what gets on my nerves....if you cant pull as a center in the NFL then there is something very wrong and goodwin barely ever pulls because he cant Originally Posted by FireVenturi Funny that in 07 I think when faine got hurt and Goodwin went in.....we started winning. JG does one thing way better and thats calling out the protection changes. goodwin doesnt call out blocking schemes, drew does im not exactly sure what you're talking about when you said we started winning when faine got hurt.....faine was hurt for 2 games during the 2007 season in which we won both games......however, we had won the 2 games prior to those 2 games in 2007 we finished the season 7-9 and that was his last season as a saint......but you are blamin the wins and losses on him? do you forget about our future hall of famer we had starting at corner for 2007? his name was jason david.....what a stud
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