BillyCarpenter1

http://www.msnbc.com/news/957279.asp?cp1=1

Aug. 25 — Maybe a couple of years ago, it was too soon to ask when Peyton Manning would win a game that really counted. But it’s his sixth season in the NFL now, and he’s started every game in every one of his previous five seasons. It’s no longer too early to ask.

WHICH MEANS THAT it’s also fair to ask when Manning is ever going to do anything other than ring up eye-popping statistics that are, in the absence of playoff wins, as hollow as Christmas tree ornaments

And yet, in his last 50 games, including playoffs, his record as a starter is 25-25, and, for all his scintillating numbers, he has never led the Colts out of the first round of the playoffs. In last season’s attempt — his third — to change that, he and the Colts got hammered 41-0 by the Jets. This is not the definition of coming up big.

It’s one thing to vie with Marino and Jim Kelly for the title of Greatest Quarterback Never to Win a Super Bowl. Those two Hall of Famers at least got to the big game. But when the title you’ve already got wrapped up is Greatest Quarterback Never to win a Playoff Game, it’s time to ask some serious questions

For four seasons, the good fans of Indianapolis, who have pretty much defined “long-suffering� in the 20 years since Robert Irsay smuggled the team out of Baltimore in the dead of night, were patient with the strapping young quarterback. But last year’s blowout playoff loss struck a nerve.

The formula is there for him. Stop trying to get it all at once. Stop forcing the ball into places it can’t go under pressure. Throw the ball away now and then. Throw the short outlet pass. Stop looking down the field.
Or maybe the easier and shorter way to say it is simply: stop being Peyton Manning.




I would like to know from all the people on here that are wanting Aaron Brooks gone, if you would say the samething about Peyton Manning of the Colts. I would like you to use the same reasons you give for getting rid of Aaron Brooks. And remember Peyton has been a starter for much longer than Brooks. I am really interested in your reply.









[Edited on 13/9/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]

BillyCarpenter1

bump

WhoDat

Yes - let\'s trade them straight up. Brooks for Manning.

BillyCarpenter1

I hear ya brother.

You don\'t have a leg to stand on there do ya WhoDat???

BillyCarpenter1

Peyton Manning Stats:

1998 Indianapolis Colts 16 16 575 326 56.7 3739 6.50 78 26 28 71.2
1999 Indianapolis Colts 16 16 533 331 62.1 4135 7.76 80 26 15 90.7
2000 Indianapolis Colts 16 16 571 357 62.5 4413 7.73 78 33 15 94.7
2001 Indianapolis Colts 16 16 547 343 62.7 4131 7.55 86 26 23 84.1
2002 Indianapolis Colts 16 16 591 392 66.3 4200 7.11 69 27 19 88.8


Just to use the same logic that has been said about Aaron Brooks. Look at the efficency rating of Peyton -- he has regressed in the last 2 years. Also the stat that matters the most -- TD to Interception ratio is worse than Brooks.

How long does Peyton get to prove himself?? This is year 6 and he just doesn\'t seem to be right for the system. At least Aaron has won one playoff game.

BlackandBlue

Ok, let\'s get down to serious business.

Would you trade Aaron Brooks for Peyton Manning, if and only if, it is a leap year, the date is August 22nd, the planets are aligned, and you have to sacrifice a pig fetus in a voodoo ritual? Wouldja? Cause you would be wrong!!!!! Everytime a QB has been traded under those exact same terms, the QB has always failed to live up to expectations. Let see all you Brooks bashers figure your way out of this one.

This ignorant tirade is brought to you by Louisville Slugger. If you\'re going to beat a dead horse, do it right with Louisville Slugger

The waiting drove me mad....
I don't want to hear from those that know...
Everything has changed, absolutely nothing's changed

Eddie is a....draftnik?

BrooksMustGo

Oddly enough, Manning has had to get it done without much of a running game in Indy.

So I guess I see the point, we don\'t have any sort of ground game here at ALL. Duece is just really lucky that :hallucine: Brooks :hallucine: lets him ride his coat-tails.

And likewise, the whole standard for judging a QB is whether he\'s been on a team that\'s won a playoff game. So let\'s just go ahead and trade for Trent Dilfer, he\'s got several playoff games to his credit.

Well please excuse me, I\'ve got to go start making :hallucine: Brooks :hallucine: bust for Canton.

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BillyCarpenter1

BMG --

First things first -- Before you go talking about Peyton not having a running game -- get your facts straight. The Colts have had a terrific running game. James had a couple of all pro years and even without him they still had a great running game.

I\'m not going into the reason I posted this with you -- You draw your own conclusions.

[Edited on 14/9/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]

saintz08

Brooks -

YEAR TEAM G GS Att Comp Pct Yds YPA Lg TD Int Rate
2000 New Orleans Saints 8 5 194 113 58.2 1514 7.80 53 9 6 85.7
2001 New Orleans Saints 16 16 558 312 55.9 3832 6.87 63 26 22 76.4
2002 New Orleans Saints 16 16 528 283 53.6 3572 6.77 64 27 15 80.1
2003 New Orleans Saints 1 1 47 29 61.7 274 5.83 42 1 1 76.0
TOTAL 41 38 1327 737 55.5 9192 6.93 64 63 44 79.2


Manning -

1998 Indianapolis Colts 16 16 575 326 56.7 3739 6.50 78 26 28 71.2
1999 Indianapolis Colts 16 16 533 331 62.1 4135 7.76 80 26 15 90.7
2000 Indianapolis Colts 16 16 571 357 62.5 4413 7.73 78 33 15 94.7
2001 Indianapolis Colts 16 16 547 343 62.7 4131 7.55 86 26 23 84.1
2002 Indianapolis Colts 16 16 591 392 66.3 4200 7.11 69 27 19 88.8
2003 Indianapolis Colts 1 1 43 27 62.8 211 4.91 18 0 2 55.5
TOTAL 81 81 2860 1776 62.1 20829 7.28 86 138 102 85.4


Lets see ,
Brooks average 79.2
Mannings average 85.4 and that was while playing for Jim Mora as Head Coach .Mora by the way could not get a win in the playoffs in New Orleans either .

I would take Peyton considering , not factoring in his rookie year , his worst season Rating 84.1 is only slightly lower then Brooks best year at 85.7 . So if Peyton had a bad year wearing black and gold he would still rate near Brooks if he has a good year ...

Take the trade ........

\"Americans play to win at all times. I wouldn\'t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed.\" - George S. Patton
On another note, I\'ll take a bite of that crow 08. - Saintfan
Brooks is a moron!! - Halo

BillyCarpenter1

sainz08 --

Your not getting off that easy buddy -- Where\'s all the bashing of Peyton. Would you not cut him too? Use the same standards with Peyton that you used with Brooks

Can\'t do it can ya??

There ain\'t no way outta this one buddy -- :P