2010 NFL Draft

stockman311 · 03-08-2010, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

You mean like Carl Nicks, or Jahri Evans or Marques Colston or Pierre Thomas?

I'm not saying we will pick O in 1st round, but don't be surprised if we do. Especially if the value of the offensive player outweighs the value of the defensive player at #32.

We didn't draft any of those players at #32. In fact we passed on all of them MULTIPLE times. I'm not saying we won't find diamonds in the rough again. I'm saying at pick number 32 of this years draft, I am 99.9% certain we are going to take a defensive player with that pick. The draft is too loaded this year on that side of the ball and that is the side of the ball that we need the most help. If CJ Spiller is sitting there for some odd reason at #32 do we take him? I hope not. I hope the front office could find a dance partner to trade down with. BPA sounds good in theory if you have a young and or crappy team, but when you are a loaded Superbowl champion you take BPA at your areas of need which are DE, OLB, DT this year.

BRSaintsFan · 03-08-2010, 02:03 PM

Originally Posted by stockman311

At #32, someone on Offense slipping that far to outvalue our need at D, AND doesn't have a character issue is extremely remote.

Wasnt referring to pick 32 specifically. Could be any round, but they will draft smart and that means drafting for value over reaching for need.

RaginCajun83 · 03-08-2010, 01:04 PM

if this draft pans out like most Payton drafts then the Saints will take BPA in the first couple rounds, a middle round offensive lineman and then take a chance on small school standouts .... lets see how right I am come April 21

saintsfan1976 · 03-08-2010, 01:22 PM

Those guys were talented enough was my point.

I agree (and i hope) that we go DT/DE w #32.

strato · 03-08-2010, 02:08 PM

I could see an offensive player at 32..if it is the BPA...although i hope we go D..but you never know who will be sitting there..

jeanpierre · 03-08-2010, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by stockman311

Our offense was first in the league last year and has basically lost no one. Why on earth would we need to draft anyone on that side of the ball except maybe a backup OL in the later rounds?

That's a good point; now let me offer three counter points...

First, if a young Jerry Rice fell to No. 32 would you draft him even with a WR corps of Colston, Henderson, Meachem, Moore, et al?

Second, as someone has alluded, depth is a common quality to all championship clubs...

Third, the Saints are going to have a big target on their back this year; with that, teams will have more Saints footage than any other this coming season; so why not have an extraordinary talent added to the game planning to give that extra look to defenses?

I would be more than happy to drastically improve the front seven on defense; but I even agree, you take the best player available...

stockman311 · 03-08-2010, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

That's a good point; now let me offer three counter points...

First, if a young Jerry Rice fell to No. 32 would you draft him even with a WR corps of Colston, Henderson, Meachem, Moore, et al?

Second, as someone has alluded, depth is a common quality to all championship clubs...

Third, the Saints are going to have a big target on their back this year; with that, teams will have more Saints footage than any other this coming season; so why not have an extraordinary talent added to the game planning to give that extra look to defenses?

I would be more than happy to drastically improve the front seven on defense; but I even agree, you take the best player available...

Yes, you would take Jerry Rice if he were at 32, except for one little problem. The Draft is a crapshoot, so even someone you think may be a can't miss could wind up being a bust, so you play the odds and take the BPA at a position of need.

Second, where are we lacking depth on offense? LT, nope we have 4 quality guys who have all started, HB? Nope, all set there with Thomas, Bush, Bell, Hamilton, WR? We have too many guys as it is. Arrington can't even make the team. TE? Shockey, Thomas, Dinkins I guess we could upgrade there with Greshem out of OK, OG & C? I guess we could upgrade there as well with depth, but is there really a Guard Center that would be that high of a value in completely stack DL draft? Doubtful

Third, who exactly is this EXTRAORDIANRY talent that we can add that is so can't miss but still is going to drop to #32?

I'm sorry guys, you can play devil's advocate all you want, but I have seen more drafts and mock drafts than I care to admit, and I spend way too much time on it. We are picking a defender with the first pick. We just are.

jeanpierre · 03-08-2010, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by stockman311

Yes, you would take Jerry Rice if he were at 32, except for one little problem. The Draft is a crapshoot, so even someone you think may be a can't miss could wind up being a bust, so you play the odds and take the BPA at a position of need.

Second, where are we lacking depth on offense? LT, nope we have 4 quality guys who have all started, HB? Nope, all set there with Thomas, Bush, Bell, Hamilton, WR? We have too many guys as it is. Arrington can't even make the team. TE? Shockey, Thomas, Dinkins I guess we could upgrade there with Greshem out of OK, OG & C? I guess we could upgrade there as well with depth, but is there really a Guard Center that would be that high of a value in completely stack DL draft? Doubtful

Third, who exactly is this EXTRAORDIANRY talent that we can add that is so can't miss but still is going to drop to #32?

I'm sorry guys, you can play devil's advocate all you want, but I have seen more drafts and mock drafts than I care to admit, and I spend way too much time on it. We are picking a defender with the first pick. We just are.

And I hope we begin to get the defense shored up staring in Round 1 as well; the best player argument is that you can always draft 'em, make sure of 'em, then trade another player at that position for another player or draft pick...

Note...in interviews with Bill Walsh when he saw Rice being passed over, he questioned the logic of some of these teams who said they needed a DL, LT, RB when he saw a great player falling through the draft; in my book, as much as I hated the 49'ers, Walsh was an excellent talent evaluator and argued that you took BPA over Need...

But it's all good if we continue to disagree...

BRSaintsFan · 03-09-2010, 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

And I hope we begin to get the defense shored up staring in Round 1 as well; the best player argument is that you can always draft 'em, make sure of 'em, then trade another player at that position for another player or draft pick...

Note...in interviews with Bill Walsh when he saw Rice being passed over, he questioned the logic of some of these teams who said they needed a DL, LT, RB when he saw a great player falling through the draft; in my book, as much as I hated the 49'ers, Walsh was an excellent talent evaluator and argued that you took BPA over Need...

But it's all good if we continue to disagree...

Could not agree more. I would love to see Dan Williams, Brian Price, or Sean Weatherspoon taken at 32. But top end franchises that are continuously picking in the latter part of the rounds draft for value. If there is a team need, and a player's value matches that need, then sure its a no brainer. But you draft based on value and you follow your draft board. I see us taking a defender as well because in my opinion, there are most defensive players with value in that 25-35 range than offensive players so I think there will be someone there with value to fill a need. But again, if a player that the Saints draft board has valued in the top 20 falls to 32, they are smart enough to take that talent rather than reach down their draft board for a player valued 35 who fits a "need".

QBREES9 · 03-08-2010, 08:17 PM

Does this mean the Saints will draft Mr Irrelevent.

03-08-2010, 01:16 PM	#1
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	Re: 2010 NFL Draft Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 You mean like Carl Nicks, or Jahri Evans or Marques Colston or Pierre Thomas? I'm not saying we will pick O in 1st round, but don't be surprised if we do. Especially if the value of the offensive player outweighs the value of the defensive player at #32. We didn't draft any of those players at #32. In fact we passed on all of them MULTIPLE times. I'm not saying we won't find diamonds in the rough again. I'm saying at pick number 32 of this years draft, I am 99.9% certain we are going to take a defensive player with that pick. The draft is too loaded this year on that side of the ball and that is the side of the ball that we need the most help. If CJ Spiller is sitting there for some odd reason at #32 do we take him? I hope not. I hope the front office could find a dance partner to trade down with. BPA sounds good in theory if you have a young and or crappy team, but when you are a loaded Superbowl champion you take BPA at your areas of need which are DE, OLB, DT this year.

03-08-2010, 02:03 PM	#2
BRSaintsFan 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 449	Re: 2010 NFL Draft Originally Posted by stockman311 At #32, someone on Offense slipping that far to outvalue our need at D, AND doesn't have a character issue is extremely remote. Wasnt referring to pick 32 specifically. Could be any round, but they will draft smart and that means drafting for value over reaching for need.

03-08-2010, 01:22 PM	#4
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,025 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2010 NFL Draft Those guys were talented enough was my point. I agree (and i hope) that we go DT/DE w #32.

03-08-2010, 02:08 PM	#5
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Re: 2010 NFL Draft I could see an offensive player at 32..if it is the BPA...although i hope we go D..but you never know who will be sitting there..

03-08-2010, 04:46 PM	#6
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2010 NFL Draft Originally Posted by stockman311 Our offense was first in the league last year and has basically lost no one. Why on earth would we need to draft anyone on that side of the ball except maybe a backup OL in the later rounds? That's a good point; now let me offer three counter points... First, if a young Jerry Rice fell to No. 32 would you draft him even with a WR corps of Colston, Henderson, Meachem, Moore, et al? Second, as someone has alluded, depth is a common quality to all championship clubs... Third, the Saints are going to have a big target on their back this year; with that, teams will have more Saints footage than any other this coming season; so why not have an extraordinary talent added to the game planning to give that extra look to defenses? I would be more than happy to drastically improve the front seven on defense; but I even agree, you take the best player available...
	It's not that my way is the right way, I just make the right way my way...

03-08-2010, 01:04 PM	#3
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: 2010 NFL Draft if this draft pans out like most Payton drafts then the Saints will take BPA in the first couple rounds, a middle round offensive lineman and then take a chance on small school standouts .... lets see how right I am come April 21

03-08-2010, 05:04 PM	#7
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	Re: 2010 NFL Draft Originally Posted by jeanpierre That's a good point; now let me offer three counter points... First, if a young Jerry Rice fell to No. 32 would you draft him even with a WR corps of Colston, Henderson, Meachem, Moore, et al? Second, as someone has alluded, depth is a common quality to all championship clubs... Third, the Saints are going to have a big target on their back this year; with that, teams will have more Saints footage than any other this coming season; so why not have an extraordinary talent added to the game planning to give that extra look to defenses? I would be more than happy to drastically improve the front seven on defense; but I even agree, you take the best player available... Yes, you would take Jerry Rice if he were at 32, except for one little problem. The Draft is a crapshoot, so even someone you think may be a can't miss could wind up being a bust, so you play the odds and take the BPA at a position of need. Second, where are we lacking depth on offense? LT, nope we have 4 quality guys who have all started, HB? Nope, all set there with Thomas, Bush, Bell, Hamilton, WR? We have too many guys as it is. Arrington can't even make the team. TE? Shockey, Thomas, Dinkins I guess we could upgrade there with Greshem out of OK, OG & C? I guess we could upgrade there as well with depth, but is there really a Guard Center that would be that high of a value in completely stack DL draft? Doubtful Third, who exactly is this EXTRAORDIANRY talent that we can add that is so can't miss but still is going to drop to #32? I'm sorry guys, you can play devil's advocate all you want, but I have seen more drafts and mock drafts than I care to admit, and I spend way too much time on it. We are picking a defender with the first pick. We just are.

03-08-2010, 06:02 PM	#8
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2010 NFL Draft Originally Posted by stockman311 Yes, you would take Jerry Rice if he were at 32, except for one little problem. The Draft is a crapshoot, so even someone you think may be a can't miss could wind up being a bust, so you play the odds and take the BPA at a position of need. Second, where are we lacking depth on offense? LT, nope we have 4 quality guys who have all started, HB? Nope, all set there with Thomas, Bush, Bell, Hamilton, WR? We have too many guys as it is. Arrington can't even make the team. TE? Shockey, Thomas, Dinkins I guess we could upgrade there with Greshem out of OK, OG & C? I guess we could upgrade there as well with depth, but is there really a Guard Center that would be that high of a value in completely stack DL draft? Doubtful Third, who exactly is this EXTRAORDIANRY talent that we can add that is so can't miss but still is going to drop to #32? I'm sorry guys, you can play devil's advocate all you want, but I have seen more drafts and mock drafts than I care to admit, and I spend way too much time on it. We are picking a defender with the first pick. We just are. And I hope we begin to get the defense shored up staring in Round 1 as well; the best player argument is that you can always draft 'em, make sure of 'em, then trade another player at that position for another player or draft pick... Note...in interviews with Bill Walsh when he saw Rice being passed over, he questioned the logic of some of these teams who said they needed a DL, LT, RB when he saw a great player falling through the draft; in my book, as much as I hated the 49'ers, Walsh was an excellent talent evaluator and argued that you took BPA over Need... But it's all good if we continue to disagree...
	It's not that my way is the right way, I just make the right way my way...

03-09-2010, 08:37 AM	#9
BRSaintsFan 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 449	Re: 2010 NFL Draft Originally Posted by jeanpierre And I hope we begin to get the defense shored up staring in Round 1 as well; the best player argument is that you can always draft 'em, make sure of 'em, then trade another player at that position for another player or draft pick... Note...in interviews with Bill Walsh when he saw Rice being passed over, he questioned the logic of some of these teams who said they needed a DL, LT, RB when he saw a great player falling through the draft; in my book, as much as I hated the 49'ers, Walsh was an excellent talent evaluator and argued that you took BPA over Need... But it's all good if we continue to disagree... Could not agree more. I would love to see Dan Williams, Brian Price, or Sean Weatherspoon taken at 32. But top end franchises that are continuously picking in the latter part of the rounds draft for value. If there is a team need, and a player's value matches that need, then sure its a no brainer. But you draft based on value and you follow your draft board. I see us taking a defender as well because in my opinion, there are most defensive players with value in that 25-35 range than offensive players so I think there will be someone there with value to fill a need. But again, if a player that the Saints draft board has valued in the top 20 falls to 32, they are smart enough to take that talent rather than reach down their draft board for a player valued 35 who fits a "need".

03-08-2010, 08:17 PM	#10
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,990	Re: 2010 NFL Draft Does this mean the Saints will draft Mr Irrelevent.

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