My thoughts on the game

BillyCarpenter1 · 09-22-2003, 07:03 PM

I just saw Haslett on TV and he said the buck stops with him. He went on to say that he was out coached. LummOx -- I felt the defensive line played exceptionally well but the secondary looked pretty bad --IMO,

lumm0x · 09-22-2003, 07:15 PM

I think the corners played the coverage asked of them and were not too bad in their tackling. Jay Bellamy didn\'t play his worst game of the year. Tebucky Jones looks terrible. I can\'t even begin to think what he\'s doing out there. It\'s like he\'s lost. He looks like a rookie. In the secondary I think we were outmatched physically. The Titans have big, tall recievers. Erron Kinney impressed me as well. He has better hands and runs nice routes. We played an exceptionally soft coverage all day. They seem too worried about giving up the big play but too willing to give up the short stuff. It was absolutely painful to watch. And what about that punt fake!!! Did we not watch film at all? I heard a Fisher interview after the Indy game talking about that. And the WR screen/ pass to Bennett. Fisher bragged about how a few of his players are ex-QB\'s and they have the ability to run fakes effectively. Drove me crazy watching that sh!t.

Saint2 · 09-22-2003, 07:36 PM

Can you say Carl Smith & Bobby Hebert? This sounds like the same ole song. Carl Smith alias \"3 runs & punt\" and Bobby couldn\'t throw down field so defenses stuck 8 in the box to stop the running game and the short routes and that was the end of that era and Bobby went on to fly with the Falcons.

I have seen games that Aaron takes sacks when he had ample time to get rid of the ball or take off. In fact I just saw a replay on ESPN tonight against Seattle and Aaron went back to pass and there were four or five defensive players coming at him, but off to his left Joe Horn (I think) was open in the flat and Aaron never looked at him. What did he do? Sat down. This might be a bad example and I have liked Aaron from the get go but I think he sits on one player and if he is not open he panics looks around and by the time he makes a decision to move it\'s too late. How many sacks has he run or stepped up into?

I still say they should roll him out more. Especially if defenses are going to collapse the pocket around you.

JOESAM2002 · 09-22-2003, 08:04 PM

What\'s the point of replying to a post when all I hear is we\'re picking on Aaron Brooks. I\'ve said it ever since he\'s been a Saint I like AB. Do I believe he can be better? Yes I do. I don\'t know to many players who don\'t have room to improve. However if we can\'t state our feelings without being called an idiot or moron, then there shouldn\'t be any room for discussion about anyone on anything. Maybe we should just all sit back and hope someone posts something from a news sorce and read it and not comment on it. Everyone is entitled to their opinion as long as it agrees with everyone else and doesn\'t involve Aaron.

I think it was best said in the bible when they said \" let he who is without sin cast the first stone.\" Maybe we should adopt that sentiment here. And certainly it applies to the Saints. If anyone played the perfect game, then there would be no room for gripping about someone makeing a statement about Brooks play.

The truth is NONE of us are happy with the play of this team. We all have the right as fans to gripe and complain about the play of any and all players. We also have the right to ignore any and all posts that we just don\'t agree with. However it does make it hard to ignore when every post has something to do with, Don\'t pick on AB.

I think given the situation, if someone has a gripe about a player if you chose not to answer it, it would be ok. Just don\'t take complaints about a player as a personal affront to you.

As I said in another post, if you asked me who\'s fault is it that we lost Sunday, I\'d have to say it was the coachs and players fault. Both certainly could have and should have done better.

FWtex · 09-22-2003, 11:16 PM

From Billy out of HAZ mouth, \"he said the buck stops with him. He went on to say that he was out coached.\"

At any time did he finish with something like \" I promise you will never see my team play this bad again as long as I am coaching\" ???????? Did he give any hope of anything??

An Observation I have had of Brooks in the SEA and TENN games. (did not see the HOU game) When the pressure is coming on, I tend to see him looking at the rush and not down field for a receiver. Watch his head if you have it on tape and you will see him watching the oncoming rush. I did see one time where he was watching the rush, it was picked up, he took two steps back then found a receiver. He had the ball at least 5 seconds before throwing it.

This tells me he does not trust his off. line and is not comfortable standing in the pocket. This is a step back in his development.

Disclaimer: Brooks is not the reason for any loss so far this year.

Memnoch_TP · 09-22-2003, 11:23 PM

Wow, Billy! That is a really good point! Brooks may just be too stupid to deal with crowd noise! I\'m impressed, thanks for bringing that to light, even if it means I have to agree with you on this one.

saintz08 · 09-23-2003, 12:17 AM

Crowd noise , I like it ......

One problem , every N.F.L. quarterback is taught to deal with it .

They are called hand signals , was roughly gone over earlier in the post . Brooks pumps his hand down when he is audiblizing out to Duece .....

Lets go over some others , Receivers are to check the quarterback at the line . The infamous step back and then forward usually means , set motion man in motion .

Hypothetical situation :

Brooks goes to the line , corner is 12 yards off Horn , safety is dropped back in deep zone coverage and the middle line backer is clueless and is cheating up on the line to either slam the line or jam the T.E.

Brooks makes the read : Brooks holds up his first finger towards Horn and that tells Brooks the play is dead , go to hot route no. 1 . For this example it is an inside slant to Horn . Brooks can show the finger to Stallworth and others but it is best not to advertise to the defense or they will make a quick adjustment .

For Saintsfan .

1. Audible to a pass. No time to throw the damn ball.
2. Audible to a run. Nowhere to run the damn ball.

1. Audible out of a seven step drop to a three step drop to cut the time down , can go with a hard count to catch them off guard . Seemed to work against the Saints .

2. Audible out because there is nowhere to run ......

BillyCarpenter1 · 09-23-2003, 12:47 AM

JoeSam -- Welcome to the Aaron Brooks debate. You are right, no one plays a perfect game and everyone is entitled to their opinions. I absolutely think Aaron could improve on his audibles. But, 08 just didn\'t merely state Brooks should improve on is audibles, he put the WHOLE blame on the offense being shut down on Brooks inability to read defenses and call audibles. So, I have no problem with critcizm, when applied properly. I would also like to know where you are at when people are calling me and idiot and a moron??? LOL........... I have feelings too......

Gator -- Yup, Aaron needs to improve in areas, as I believe most young QB\'s need to. You know what 08\'s agenda is and you know he tries to pin everything on Brooks. So, any valid arguement he brings up is offset by him trying to blame the whole damn thing on Brooks. I also haven\'t given up on this team. The fact is IF we beat the Colts we are a .500 team and we will start to get some of the injuried players back on defense.

saintz08 · 09-23-2003, 01:14 AM

Just repeating what those people who have played against Brooks have said on his ability to read coverages . Seems to me they might actually know ..........

\"We showed some coverages and then changed them,\" Browns free safety Earl Little said. \"Personally, I didn\'t think he could read (defenses) that well. I think that screwed him up a little bit. That\'s what gave them a problem.\"

Brooks completed 23 of 40 passes for a season-high 318 yards, but he threw three interceptions and lost a fumble inside the Browns\' 20.

\"What I was seeing was a guy that didn\'t know if we were blitzing, didn\'t know if we were in a zone or a straight man-to-man,\" Little said. \"Personally, with or without him (Deuce), we didn\'t think he could read coverages that well, and he proved it today.\"

saintfan · 09-23-2003, 09:49 AM

I will be setting up an account soon. Donations will be accepted. The goal is to buy \"08\" season tickets for the Carolina Panthers.

Joesam -- if you don\'t see \"08\"\'s agenda here it\'s because you\'re not looking. Of COURSE everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion, but to pop off about Brooks play last week in his typical fashion, all the while choosing to ignore the real issues when frankly (and obviously) Brooks was the only guy that showed up for that game, is rediculous. You think he would be as critical of \"his boy\" Delhomme? You know better and so do I, and so does Billy, and so does anyone else who\'s been here long enough and seen enough of his tired anti-Brooks nonsense. Don\'t defend it. It reflects poorly.

Now, I\'m not sure what Panthers tickets cost, but we\'ll need to get \"08\" close enough so that he can give Delhomme pointers about throwing off his back foot during the game.

09-22-2003, 07:03 PM	#51
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	My thoughts on the game I just saw Haslett on TV and he said the buck stops with him. He went on to say that he was out coached. LummOx -- I felt the defensive line played exceptionally well but the secondary looked pretty bad --IMO,
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09-22-2003, 07:15 PM	#52
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	My thoughts on the game I think the corners played the coverage asked of them and were not too bad in their tackling. Jay Bellamy didn\'t play his worst game of the year. Tebucky Jones looks terrible. I can\'t even begin to think what he\'s doing out there. It\'s like he\'s lost. He looks like a rookie. In the secondary I think we were outmatched physically. The Titans have big, tall recievers. Erron Kinney impressed me as well. He has better hands and runs nice routes. We played an exceptionally soft coverage all day. They seem too worried about giving up the big play but too willing to give up the short stuff. It was absolutely painful to watch. And what about that punt fake!!! Did we not watch film at all? I heard a Fisher interview after the Indy game talking about that. And the WR screen/ pass to Bennett. Fisher bragged about how a few of his players are ex-QB\'s and they have the ability to run fakes effectively. Drove me crazy watching that sh!t.

09-22-2003, 07:36 PM	#53
Saint2 Registered Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 44	My thoughts on the game Can you say Carl Smith & Bobby Hebert? This sounds like the same ole song. Carl Smith alias \"3 runs & punt\" and Bobby couldn\'t throw down field so defenses stuck 8 in the box to stop the running game and the short routes and that was the end of that era and Bobby went on to fly with the Falcons. I have seen games that Aaron takes sacks when he had ample time to get rid of the ball or take off. In fact I just saw a replay on ESPN tonight against Seattle and Aaron went back to pass and there were four or five defensive players coming at him, but off to his left Joe Horn (I think) was open in the flat and Aaron never looked at him. What did he do? Sat down. This might be a bad example and I have liked Aaron from the get go but I think he sits on one player and if he is not open he panics looks around and by the time he makes a decision to move it\'s too late. How many sacks has he run or stepped up into? I still say they should roll him out more. Especially if defenses are going to collapse the pocket around you.
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09-22-2003, 08:04 PM	#54
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	My thoughts on the game What\'s the point of replying to a post when all I hear is we\'re picking on Aaron Brooks. I\'ve said it ever since he\'s been a Saint I like AB. Do I believe he can be better? Yes I do. I don\'t know to many players who don\'t have room to improve. However if we can\'t state our feelings without being called an idiot or moron, then there shouldn\'t be any room for discussion about anyone on anything. Maybe we should just all sit back and hope someone posts something from a news sorce and read it and not comment on it. Everyone is entitled to their opinion as long as it agrees with everyone else and doesn\'t involve Aaron. I think it was best said in the bible when they said \" let he who is without sin cast the first stone.\" Maybe we should adopt that sentiment here. And certainly it applies to the Saints. If anyone played the perfect game, then there would be no room for gripping about someone makeing a statement about Brooks play. The truth is NONE of us are happy with the play of this team. We all have the right as fans to gripe and complain about the play of any and all players. We also have the right to ignore any and all posts that we just don\'t agree with. However it does make it hard to ignore when every post has something to do with, Don\'t pick on AB. I think given the situation, if someone has a gripe about a player if you chose not to answer it, it would be ok. Just don\'t take complaints about a player as a personal affront to you. As I said in another post, if you asked me who\'s fault is it that we lost Sunday, I\'d have to say it was the coachs and players fault. Both certainly could have and should have done better.
	Sometimes it's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought an idiot, than to open it and remove all doubt!!!!! "Every time you think, you weaken the nation!" Moe Howard...The Three Stooges.

09-22-2003, 11:16 PM	#55
FWtex 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 370	My thoughts on the game From Billy out of HAZ mouth, \"he said the buck stops with him. He went on to say that he was out coached.\" At any time did he finish with something like \" I promise you will never see my team play this bad again as long as I am coaching\" ???????? Did he give any hope of anything?? An Observation I have had of Brooks in the SEA and TENN games. (did not see the HOU game) When the pressure is coming on, I tend to see him looking at the rush and not down field for a receiver. Watch his head if you have it on tape and you will see him watching the oncoming rush. I did see one time where he was watching the rush, it was picked up, he took two steps back then found a receiver. He had the ball at least 5 seconds before throwing it. This tells me he does not trust his off. line and is not comfortable standing in the pocket. This is a step back in his development. Disclaimer: Brooks is not the reason for any loss so far this year.
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09-22-2003, 11:23 PM	#56
Memnoch_TP Logic Troll Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Southern Louisiana Posts: 565	My thoughts on the game Wow, Billy! That is a really good point! Brooks may just be too stupid to deal with crowd noise! I\'m impressed, thanks for bringing that to light, even if it means I have to agree with you on this one.

09-23-2003, 12:17 AM	#57
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	My thoughts on the game Crowd noise , I like it ...... One problem , every N.F.L. quarterback is taught to deal with it . They are called hand signals , was roughly gone over earlier in the post . Brooks pumps his hand down when he is audiblizing out to Duece ..... Lets go over some others , Receivers are to check the quarterback at the line . The infamous step back and then forward usually means , set motion man in motion . Hypothetical situation : Brooks goes to the line , corner is 12 yards off Horn , safety is dropped back in deep zone coverage and the middle line backer is clueless and is cheating up on the line to either slam the line or jam the T.E. Brooks makes the read : Brooks holds up his first finger towards Horn and that tells Brooks the play is dead , go to hot route no. 1 . For this example it is an inside slant to Horn . Brooks can show the finger to Stallworth and others but it is best not to advertise to the defense or they will make a quick adjustment . For Saintsfan . 1. Audible to a pass. No time to throw the damn ball. 2. Audible to a run. Nowhere to run the damn ball. 1. Audible out of a seven step drop to a three step drop to cut the time down , can go with a hard count to catch them off guard . Seemed to work against the Saints . 2. Audible out because there is nowhere to run ......
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	\"Americans play to win at all times. I wouldn\'t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed.\" - George S. Patton On another note, I\'ll take a bite of that crow 08. - Saintfan Brooks is a moron!! - Halo

09-23-2003, 12:47 AM	#58
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	My thoughts on the game JoeSam -- Welcome to the Aaron Brooks debate. You are right, no one plays a perfect game and everyone is entitled to their opinions. I absolutely think Aaron could improve on his audibles. But, 08 just didn\'t merely state Brooks should improve on is audibles, he put the WHOLE blame on the offense being shut down on Brooks inability to read defenses and call audibles. So, I have no problem with critcizm, when applied properly. I would also like to know where you are at when people are calling me and idiot and a moron??? LOL........... I have feelings too...... Gator -- Yup, Aaron needs to improve in areas, as I believe most young QB\'s need to. You know what 08\'s agenda is and you know he tries to pin everything on Brooks. So, any valid arguement he brings up is offset by him trying to blame the whole damn thing on Brooks. I also haven\'t given up on this team. The fact is IF we beat the Colts we are a .500 team and we will start to get some of the injuried players back on defense.
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09-23-2003, 01:14 AM	#59
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	My thoughts on the game Just repeating what those people who have played against Brooks have said on his ability to read coverages . Seems to me they might actually know .......... \"We showed some coverages and then changed them,\" Browns free safety Earl Little said. \"Personally, I didn\'t think he could read (defenses) that well. I think that screwed him up a little bit. That\'s what gave them a problem.\" Brooks completed 23 of 40 passes for a season-high 318 yards, but he threw three interceptions and lost a fumble inside the Browns\' 20. \"What I was seeing was a guy that didn\'t know if we were blitzing, didn\'t know if we were in a zone or a straight man-to-man,\" Little said. \"Personally, with or without him (Deuce), we didn\'t think he could read coverages that well, and he proved it today.\"
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	\"Americans play to win at all times. I wouldn\'t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed.\" - George S. Patton On another note, I\'ll take a bite of that crow 08. - Saintfan Brooks is a moron!! - Halo

09-23-2003, 09:49 AM	#60
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	My thoughts on the game I will be setting up an account soon. Donations will be accepted. The goal is to buy \"08\" season tickets for the Carolina Panthers. Joesam -- if you don\'t see \"08\"\'s agenda here it\'s because you\'re not looking. Of COURSE everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion, but to pop off about Brooks play last week in his typical fashion, all the while choosing to ignore the real issues when frankly (and obviously) Brooks was the only guy that showed up for that game, is rediculous. You think he would be as critical of \"his boy\" Delhomme? You know better and so do I, and so does Billy, and so does anyone else who\'s been here long enough and seen enough of his tired anti-Brooks nonsense. Don\'t defend it. It reflects poorly. Now, I\'m not sure what Panthers tickets cost, but we\'ll need to get \"08\" close enough so that he can give Delhomme pointers about throwing off his back foot during the game.
	C'mon Man...