Fujita Signs with Browns * MERGE*

03-08-2010, 01:26 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

But, dude, you take both the starting corners out, especially the type of corners Jabari and Tracy are, and then put a combination of Usama-Jenkins-Gay playing corner, of course your pass defense is going to suffer, regardless of who plays FS for you. None of the replacements at CB can cover routes or re-route receivers like Jabari and Tracy can.

I don't know if Sharper is over-rated or not, or who is over-rating him, but compared against the other FSs in the league, he made the plays when he had the opportunity and the others didn't. That's it.

How much he gets paid, that's not for me to decide. It is not my money, but I am not going to say he does or doesn't deserve a certain amount of money because he plays with better corners or worse corners.

I think i agree with what your saying. Sharper is good because he is allowed to play "his" type of game with Jabari and Tracy on the field. That has nothing to do with his ability. I have seen a lot of comments about who he was able to intercept on this season. He was tied with four other players at 9 interceptions to lead the league. Regardless of who he got them on there were what... 60/70 other FS/CB that could not meet the challenge.

Having a FS on the field that lead the league in interceptions makes the QB think twice about some passes.

PS. he would have had the league lead by +1 (total of 10)if not for the roughing the passer called in NY against Vilma which negated his interception.

3 of his Ints were TDs and he had 376 yards. Pay the man. His dynamic is worth it.

strato · 03-08-2010, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

I think i agree with what your saying. Sharper is good because he is allowed to play "his" type of game with Jabari and Tracy on the field. That has nothing to do with his ability. I have seen a lot of comments about who he was able to intercept on this season. He was tied with four other players at 9 interceptions to lead the league. Regardless of who he got them on there were what... 60/70 other FS/CB that could not meet the challenge.

Having a FS on the field that lead the league in interceptions makes the QB think twice about some passes.

PS. he would have had the league lead by +1 (total of 10)if not for the roughing the passer called in NY against Vilma which negated his interception.

3 of his Ints were TDs and he had 376 yards. Pay the man. His dynamic is worth it.

Thanks for saying what feel also..

stockman311 · 03-08-2010, 01:31 PM

I trust Loomis on this one. You just have to. His track record is just too good to ignore. If you think Sharper is worth $6MM a year, you are wrong because Loomis and Benson have already said he is not. I think he is worth about $3MM for two years. At that price he almost doubles his pay from last year, and we should guarantee both years. Anything more than that, and they are going to let him walk. None of us may like it, but we have Usama Young, Malcolm Jenkins, and Chip Vaughn for a reason.

strato · 03-08-2010, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by stockman311

I trust Loomis on this one. You just have to. His track record is just too good to ignore. If you think Sharper is worth $6MM a year, you are wrong because Loomis and Benson have already said he is not. I think he is worth about $3MM for two years. At that price he almost doubles his pay from last year, and we should guarantee both years. Anything more than that, and they are going to let him walk. None of us may like it, but we have Usama Young, Malcolm Jenkins, and Chip Vaughn for a reason.

If you think U.Young ..M.Jenkins and Chip Vaughn are as good as D ..Sharp..give me some of that Cali whacky weed to...

stockman311 · 03-08-2010, 01:53 PM

Sharper is a lock or almost lock for the HOF. But he is 34 and if we gave him a 3 year deal he would be 37. Yeah, I would say plug Malcolm back there and let him develop into what we all know he is going to be long term anyway. The starting FS for your New Orleans Saints. The sooner he gets to it the better off we will be in the long run.

blakwidows8 · 03-08-2010, 01:54 PM

browns still suck, the Saints will dominate them this year.

WhoDatQB · 03-08-2010, 02:21 PM

Easy enough here guys think about it before you go running off at the mouth. You have every right to be steamed they let Fujita go, he gave everything he had for us and I would rather have an over achiever than an underachiever. He is on the wrong side of 30, was injured a bunch this year. this tends to happen more and more as you get older just like running backs. I wish he had stayed but the money he received was too high.

So do I wish we had kept him, um yeah, but let's face it for a LB starting to get injured more and more and on the wrong side of 30 I thought there was a chance to lose him.

As far as Sharper is concerned.... He was a great FS for us last year. Will he be as good this year? Don't know he is 35 and I think the front office was right in saying go ahead and test the market. No way another team signs him to a big long term contract. If they do they can have him, because he will not play up to it for more than year or two. If you get too many dead contracts on your team it can cripple them for the future and building a dynasty.

If I have learned anything so far as a Saints fan it's that I think we can trust that Loomis and Co have a plan.

73Saint · 03-08-2010, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by WhoDatQB

Easy enough here guys think about it before you go running off at the mouth. You have every right to be steamed they let Fujita go, he gave everything he had for us and I would rather have an over achiever than an underachiever. He is on the wrong side of 30, was injured a bunch this year. this tends to happen more and more as you get older just like running backs. I wish he had stayed but the money he received was too high.

So do I wish we had kept him, um yeah, but let's face it for a LB starting to get injured more and more and on the wrong side of 30 I thought there was a chance to lose him.

As far as Sharper is concerned.... He was a great FS for us last year. Will he be as good this year? Don't know he is 35 and I think the front office was right in saying go ahead and test the market. No way another team signs him to a big long term contract. If they do they can have him, because he will not play up to it for more than year or two. If you get too many dead contracts on your team it can cripple them for the future and building a dynasty.

If I have learned anything so far as a Saints fan it's that I think we can trust that Loomis and Co have a plan.

Well said. (and nice avatar, by the way!!!...even though I'm not an OK fan).

stockman311 · 03-08-2010, 02:26 PM

Well Holy Freaking Hell! WhoDatQB you are my new favorite poster. Thanks for that intelligent well thought out post. I guess there is still hope around here.

Some new rumor info on Sharper. God, I love being right. Check out the salary parameters I already laid out this morning. Spot on.

Sharper might not move far
11:16
AM ET
Darren Sharper | Saints | Interested: Texans?, Chiefs?, Dolphins?, Eagles?, Saints?, Bears? Top Email Aside from the Saints, other teams that may make a bid on Darren Sharper include the Bears, Eagles, Dolphins, Vikings and Chiefs. Rumblings have yielded the number of around $3 million per season as a figure that might be good enough to land him. It's an increase from the $1.7 million that the Saints paid for him in 2009, but much less than the over $6 million they would've had to pay to franchise him.

But there's a reason why Chicago might not be the most productive landing spot, according to NFC North blogger Kevin Seifert. While heaping some praise on Sharper, Matt Williamson of Scouts, Inc. proposes that the Texans would make sense. Here's NFL Insider Adam Schefter on why the Saints' gamble -- not placing the franchise tag on Sharper -- has paid off thus far:

Adam Schefter
This was the right move

"They didn't think Sharper was worth the $6.45 million franchise tag and bet that nobody would be willing to step out of the box on the opening weekend of free agency and sign him. And so far, they've been right. Now some team always can come along and sign Sharper and steal him away from New Orleans. But the fact that it didn't happen on the first weekend of free agency is an encouraging sign for the Saints -- and validation that they made the right decision."

saintsfan1976 · 03-08-2010, 02:33 PM

My aren't we full of ourself today...

03-08-2010, 01:26 PM	#121
Threaded by TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,978 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper But, dude, you take both the starting corners out, especially the type of corners Jabari and Tracy are, and then put a combination of Usama-Jenkins-Gay playing corner, of course your pass defense is going to suffer, regardless of who plays FS for you. None of the replacements at CB can cover routes or re-route receivers like Jabari and Tracy can. I don't know if Sharper is over-rated or not, or who is over-rating him, but compared against the other FSs in the league, he made the plays when he had the opportunity and the others didn't. That's it. How much he gets paid, that's not for me to decide. It is not my money, but I am not going to say he does or doesn't deserve a certain amount of money because he plays with better corners or worse corners. I think i agree with what your saying. Sharper is good because he is allowed to play "his" type of game with Jabari and Tracy on the field. That has nothing to do with his ability. I have seen a lot of comments about who he was able to intercept on this season. He was tied with four other players at 9 interceptions to lead the league. Regardless of who he got them on there were what... 60/70 other FS/CB that could not meet the challenge. Having a FS on the field that lead the league in interceptions makes the QB think twice about some passes. PS. he would have had the league lead by +1 (total of 10)if not for the roughing the passer called in NY against Vilma which negated his interception. 3 of his Ints were TDs and he had 376 yards. Pay the man. His dynamic is worth it.
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03-08-2010, 01:29 PM	#122
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Re: Fujita Signs with Browns * MERGE* Originally Posted by x626xBlack I think i agree with what your saying. Sharper is good because he is allowed to play "his" type of game with Jabari and Tracy on the field. That has nothing to do with his ability. I have seen a lot of comments about who he was able to intercept on this season. He was tied with four other players at 9 interceptions to lead the league. Regardless of who he got them on there were what... 60/70 other FS/CB that could not meet the challenge. Having a FS on the field that lead the league in interceptions makes the QB think twice about some passes. PS. he would have had the league lead by +1 (total of 10)if not for the roughing the passer called in NY against Vilma which negated his interception. 3 of his Ints were TDs and he had 376 yards. Pay the man. His dynamic is worth it. Thanks for saying what feel also..

03-08-2010, 01:31 PM	#123
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	Re: Fujita Signs with Browns * MERGE* I trust Loomis on this one. You just have to. His track record is just too good to ignore. If you think Sharper is worth $6MM a year, you are wrong because Loomis and Benson have already said he is not. I think he is worth about $3MM for two years. At that price he almost doubles his pay from last year, and we should guarantee both years. Anything more than that, and they are going to let him walk. None of us may like it, but we have Usama Young, Malcolm Jenkins, and Chip Vaughn for a reason.

03-08-2010, 01:36 PM	#124
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Re: Fujita Signs with Browns * MERGE* Originally Posted by stockman311 I trust Loomis on this one. You just have to. His track record is just too good to ignore. If you think Sharper is worth $6MM a year, you are wrong because Loomis and Benson have already said he is not. I think he is worth about $3MM for two years. At that price he almost doubles his pay from last year, and we should guarantee both years. Anything more than that, and they are going to let him walk. None of us may like it, but we have Usama Young, Malcolm Jenkins, and Chip Vaughn for a reason. If you think U.Young ..M.Jenkins and Chip Vaughn are as good as D ..Sharp..give me some of that Cali whacky weed to...

03-08-2010, 01:53 PM	#125
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	Re: Fujita Signs with Browns * MERGE* Sharper is a lock or almost lock for the HOF. But he is 34 and if we gave him a 3 year deal he would be 37. Yeah, I would say plug Malcolm back there and let him develop into what we all know he is going to be long term anyway. The starting FS for your New Orleans Saints. The sooner he gets to it the better off we will be in the long run.

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03-08-2010, 02:21 PM	#127
WhoDatQB Boondock Saint Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: F***ing Atlanta Posts: 322	Re: Fujita Signs with Browns * MERGE* Easy enough here guys think about it before you go running off at the mouth. You have every right to be steamed they let Fujita go, he gave everything he had for us and I would rather have an over achiever than an underachiever. He is on the wrong side of 30, was injured a bunch this year. this tends to happen more and more as you get older just like running backs. I wish he had stayed but the money he received was too high. So do I wish we had kept him, um yeah, but let's face it for a LB starting to get injured more and more and on the wrong side of 30 I thought there was a chance to lose him. As far as Sharper is concerned.... He was a great FS for us last year. Will he be as good this year? Don't know he is 35 and I think the front office was right in saying go ahead and test the market. No way another team signs him to a big long term contract. If they do they can have him, because he will not play up to it for more than year or two. If you get too many dead contracts on your team it can cripple them for the future and building a dynasty. If I have learned anything so far as a Saints fan it's that I think we can trust that Loomis and Co have a plan.

03-08-2010, 02:25 PM	#128
73Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NOLA Posts: 2,336	Re: Fujita Signs with Browns * MERGE* Originally Posted by WhoDatQB Easy enough here guys think about it before you go running off at the mouth. You have every right to be steamed they let Fujita go, he gave everything he had for us and I would rather have an over achiever than an underachiever. He is on the wrong side of 30, was injured a bunch this year. this tends to happen more and more as you get older just like running backs. I wish he had stayed but the money he received was too high. So do I wish we had kept him, um yeah, but let's face it for a LB starting to get injured more and more and on the wrong side of 30 I thought there was a chance to lose him. As far as Sharper is concerned.... He was a great FS for us last year. Will he be as good this year? Don't know he is 35 and I think the front office was right in saying go ahead and test the market. No way another team signs him to a big long term contract. If they do they can have him, because he will not play up to it for more than year or two. If you get too many dead contracts on your team it can cripple them for the future and building a dynasty. If I have learned anything so far as a Saints fan it's that I think we can trust that Loomis and Co have a plan. Well said. (and nice avatar, by the way!!!...even though I'm not an OK fan).

03-08-2010, 02:26 PM	#129
stockman311 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 1,137	Re: Fujita Signs with Browns * MERGE* Well Holy Freaking Hell! WhoDatQB you are my new favorite poster. Thanks for that intelligent well thought out post. I guess there is still hope around here. Some new rumor info on Sharper. God, I love being right. Check out the salary parameters I already laid out this morning. Spot on. Sharper might not move far 11:16 AM ET Darren Sharper \| Saints \| Interested: Texans?, Chiefs?, Dolphins?, Eagles?, Saints?, Bears? Top Email Aside from the Saints, other teams that may make a bid on Darren Sharper include the Bears, Eagles, Dolphins, Vikings and Chiefs. Rumblings have yielded the number of around $3 million per season as a figure that might be good enough to land him. It's an increase from the $1.7 million that the Saints paid for him in 2009, but much less than the over $6 million they would've had to pay to franchise him. But there's a reason why Chicago might not be the most productive landing spot, according to NFC North blogger Kevin Seifert. While heaping some praise on Sharper, Matt Williamson of Scouts, Inc. proposes that the Texans would make sense. Here's NFL Insider Adam Schefter on why the Saints' gamble -- not placing the franchise tag on Sharper -- has paid off thus far: Adam Schefter This was the right move "They didn't think Sharper was worth the $6.45 million franchise tag and bet that nobody would be willing to step out of the box on the opening weekend of free agency and sign him. And so far, they've been right. Now some team always can come along and sign Sharper and steal him away from New Orleans. But the fact that it didn't happen on the first weekend of free agency is an encouraging sign for the Saints -- and validation that they made the right decision."

03-08-2010, 02:33 PM	#130
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