Step right up and place your bets!!!!

lumm0x · 09-29-2003, 10:25 AM

Well back to the basics for the team and every member here I guess.

Not that I have been an avid defender of Aaron Brooks, but I have defended him when I felt he played decently, but last night he was definitely part of the problem. To me he still looks like a different person, and by that I am giving him a compliment. He\'s had outings as bad as last night. It was nothing new for him. He looks as if he has at least accepted the fact that he needs to be a leader on this team, and he is showing positive traits on the sidelines. But, with that said, when the going gets tough he heads to the sidelines. Any team takes it\'s cue from it\'s leadership and this team has none. Haslett, Venturi, McCarthy, Brooks, and anyone else that claims to be or is designated a leader role is simply standing jaw-dropped confused. Honestly so am I. WhoDat was very accurate saying that this is the worst team he\'s ever seen, simply because we are squanering more talent than is humanly possible. When opportunity knocks, the Saints aren\'t home.

I was more than worried about this defense in the preseason and was even limitedly hopeful after the first couple of games that by mid-season we\'d come together. You can\'t use injuries as an excuse but it\'s a contributor. I\'ve never defended Venturi before and .....still can\'t. He\'s unimaginative and far too passive in his scheming. There issimply nothing that can be said about our defense that is positive. No player, no play, nothing.

On offense is the biggest surprise. We can lay blame on a lot of individuals for bad throws, dropped passes, missed blocks.....but I think if we corrected any one problem it wouldn\'t overshadow that inept play calling that we are dealing with. I just can\'t understand how we have gone from first to worst in this area. Were we just so different last year that everyone has caught up with us and we have no ability to change?

Last night all I could do was silently sit in shame. That was no loss....it was murder.

BillyCarpenter1 · 09-29-2003, 12:21 PM

When a team goes from having an explosive offense one year to an offense that doesn\'t even have an idenity the next year, then I have to believe that the coaches simply aren\'t capiable of preparing a team to play.

This is not a team that I am watching. This is a bunch of players running around that have no clue of what their assignments are. There isn\'t a team out there that is as undisiplined as the Saints are. Not the Texans, Bengals, Lions, not anyone !! These teams don\'t have anymore talent than we do but thier coaches simply know how to use the talent they have.

At least by being blown out by the Colts maybe someone will know that drastic changes are going to have to be made. Whether that be by changing coaching schemes or the coaches themselfs, but changes must be made....

[Edited on 29/9/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]

WhoDat · 09-29-2003, 10:50 PM

lummox - thanks for the shot out - ya erd?

Billy - way to step up and eat that crow. You\'re being big about it... of course, you know that\'s not going to stop me from changing my signature though...

To me, it goes back to Zook and Meuller yet again. The last season (+4 games) has shown me how important those two were. Meuller was clearly the talent scout for this team.

More importantly though is Zook. I always thought Zook was just a flat good coach. Yeah, he\'s not doing that well in FLA, but I think he did A LOT to help McCarthy from the get-go. I\'m guessing, and this is pure speculation, that Zook was really the architect behind our \"new look\" offense. The change stumped D-coordinators for about the first half of the season last year - however, McCarthy is completely incapable of making changes or evolving and thus NOTHING has changed with the offense. In fact, if anything has changed, he\'s become more conservative and predictable. Haslett and McCarthy may not get jobs at their current levels again in the NFL for a long, long time.

[Edited on 30/9/2003 by WhoDat]

BillyCarpenter1 · 09-30-2003, 11:05 AM

WhoDat -- If things continue they way they are now, not only will I be wrong, but you will also. I seem to remember you predicting 8-8. Of course when someone predicts 8-8 they are really saying they have no idea how the team is going to finish. It was a safe pick, but if they keep playing the way they have you will be just as wrong as me!! So yeah, I can admit when I\'m wrong but when are you going to step up to the plate??

It\'s really interesting to see some of you to post over and over that Brooks needs to go and we need to start Bouman. Interesting indeed!! Some of you are actually clever and try to cover-up your hate for Brooks by saying he isn\'t all of the problem, but the number of posts you guys write about Brooks would suggest otherwise. Especially when you consider that there are more glaring areas of concern, like the defense.

Anyone with any sense knows that while Brooks might be part of the problem, that if the defense could be corrected that it would give us the best chance of winning, no matter who was at QB. But, for all the infinite football wisdom some of you claim to have, you feel the need to pin it on Brooks!! Not that is surprises me at all, since most of you have just been waiting for an opportunity to do just that.

Right now, all of you Brooks bashers are just exploiting one bad game that Brooks has had this year and turning it in to an opportunity to drive your point home. Maybe Bouman would provide a spark for the offense and maybe he wouldn\'t. Will this team make it to the playoffs with Bouman? I highly doubt it and anyone with any sense knows this. Why not post over and over and over, about what the BIG problem with this team is?? THE DEFENSE !!! I\'ll tell ya why -- Because either:

a.) You either can\'t see it.

b.) You have nothing better to do than post worthless garbage about Brooks over and over and over...

FWtex · 09-30-2003, 01:01 PM

Billie, just when you take a step forward you open your mouth and take 3 steps backwards.

Just admit it plain and simple you were wrong!! To say someone who predicted 8-8 was taking the safe road because they did not know how the team would play is AZZ - e - 9. especially when most were saying this was a 12-4, 11-5 team. No Whodat was not anywhere close to being as wrong as you.

quote:
\"Why not post over and over and over, about what the BIG problem with this team is?? THE DEFENSE !!!\"

You\'re a HAZDIOT!!

WhoDat · 09-30-2003, 11:42 PM

Thanks FW - I believe my actual prediction was 7-9 or 8-8. I can look it up if Billy would like. Yeah I will probably be wrong. When all is said and done they will probably pick up 6 or 7 wins. We have been embarrassed, but we\'ve been embarrassed by very good teams.

You know, I keep hearing the same quote in my head every time Billy posts - \"If you look around and think, \'everyone here is crazy,\' then you\'re the crazy one.\" Everybody and their mother is calling for Brooks\' head, Haslett\'s head, etc. But not Billy... or Saintfan. Apparently they know something we don\'t.

Billy - is Jim Haslett a good coach? How many of his decisions in the last two years have paid off? How many have failed? Think about it. I bet you will come to realize that the MAJOR problem with this team is, in fact, coaching. If that\'s the case, then how you can cling to the one belief that they hold to most firmly is beyond me. Haslett is sticking with Brooks b/c he\'s stubborn. Come January, I\'ll bet you that gets him a nice seat in the stands right next to Billy, b/c he damn sure won\'t be walking the sidelines next season.

BillyCarpenter1 · 10-01-2003, 08:14 AM

WhoDat --

So far Brooks is out playing your boy Delhomme!! The ONLY reason the Panthers have won is because of their defense. Jake still sucks in thos IMPORTANT QB STATS that you constantly wanted Brooks to live by. But of course being the hypocrite you are, you never bring those up about your boy Delhomme. Now all that matters are wins. Just overlook the fact that the Panthers would be winning with just about ANY QB.

The fact of the matter is Aaron has had one bad game and has out played Jake!! Why aren\'t you calling for Jake to be benched?? For anyone to be calling for Brooks to be benched they must be saying that it\'s all his fault we are losing and that another QB would magicially solve those problems.

It doesn\'t surprise me at all that the Brooks bashers are calling for Brooks to be benched. All you were waiting on was one bad game. Aaron will be starting this year and next year too............ Better learn to be a Brooks fan WhoDat are you are gonna be one miserable guy!!

saintz08 · 10-01-2003, 11:59 AM

Not sure which is worse , the Brooks bashers who call for a change to potentially better the ability of the offense or the offensive scheme .

Or those individuals that complain about those Brooks bashers posting those thoughts .

I leave it to Admiral Hyman G. Rickover , U.S. Navy

Who said :

Great minds discuss ideas
Average minds discuss events
Small minds discuss people .

BillyCarpenter1 · 10-01-2003, 12:16 PM

08--

I have encountered fans like you over the years. Fans that think they have the answers to it all. Your insistance that Brooks is the BIG problem just makes me sit here and laugh. I\'m all about the WINS when it comes to the Saints. At this point, I think putting Bouman in might spark this offense. But, I\'m not foolish enough to think that Brooks isn\'t a good QB or that Bouman is going to be the answer to the offensive problem.

Up unitl last week Brooks was playing fine and even WhoDat himself admitted so. But after one bad game WhoDat is screaming for his head. Knee Jerk reaction? I think so !! You, yourself, are an imposter. You want us to believe that you have spotted all the problems on Sunday as you sit there and watch the game on TV. You are more than entitled to post your thoughts, but your expertise would be more suited to be walking the Saints sidelines and really working on correcting all the problems that you proclaim to have a fix for.

WhoDat · 10-01-2003, 04:57 PM

Yeah, I\'m calling for his head the same way you are Billy. You just said, \"I think putting Bouman in might spark this offense.\" Is that not what I said? Up until Sunday night Brooks was playing much better, true. That doesn\'t mean he\'s right. Further, unless this team starts putting all kinds of points on the board, I\'m for a change.

Last year, every time I brought up completion percentage or efficiency rating or any of that other stuff guys like you screamed - they\'re scoring 30 points a game, what more do you want?!?! Points, people like you argued, is all that matters. Now, all of a sudden, points don\'t matter? You have in the past attributed those points to Brooks\' play, you have attacked the line, and attacked the receivers. This only goes further to show that other than Deuce, you feel Brooks is the major motivation behind the Saints ability to score. Well, you made your bed, now lie in it. They\'re not scoring. Are you gonna point your finger at everyone else now?

It\'s all Brooks when they score 30, but it\'s everyone else when they score 10 huh? And you say that I have an agenda!

09-29-2003, 10:25 AM	#61
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	Step right up and place your bets!!!! Well back to the basics for the team and every member here I guess. Not that I have been an avid defender of Aaron Brooks, but I have defended him when I felt he played decently, but last night he was definitely part of the problem. To me he still looks like a different person, and by that I am giving him a compliment. He\'s had outings as bad as last night. It was nothing new for him. He looks as if he has at least accepted the fact that he needs to be a leader on this team, and he is showing positive traits on the sidelines. But, with that said, when the going gets tough he heads to the sidelines. Any team takes it\'s cue from it\'s leadership and this team has none. Haslett, Venturi, McCarthy, Brooks, and anyone else that claims to be or is designated a leader role is simply standing jaw-dropped confused. Honestly so am I. WhoDat was very accurate saying that this is the worst team he\'s ever seen, simply because we are squanering more talent than is humanly possible. When opportunity knocks, the Saints aren\'t home. I was more than worried about this defense in the preseason and was even limitedly hopeful after the first couple of games that by mid-season we\'d come together. You can\'t use injuries as an excuse but it\'s a contributor. I\'ve never defended Venturi before and .....still can\'t. He\'s unimaginative and far too passive in his scheming. There issimply nothing that can be said about our defense that is positive. No player, no play, nothing. On offense is the biggest surprise. We can lay blame on a lot of individuals for bad throws, dropped passes, missed blocks.....but I think if we corrected any one problem it wouldn\'t overshadow that inept play calling that we are dealing with. I just can\'t understand how we have gone from first to worst in this area. Were we just so different last year that everyone has caught up with us and we have no ability to change? Last night all I could do was silently sit in shame. That was no loss....it was murder.

09-29-2003, 12:21 PM	#62
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Step right up and place your bets!!!! When a team goes from having an explosive offense one year to an offense that doesn\'t even have an idenity the next year, then I have to believe that the coaches simply aren\'t capiable of preparing a team to play. This is not a team that I am watching. This is a bunch of players running around that have no clue of what their assignments are. There isn\'t a team out there that is as undisiplined as the Saints are. Not the Texans, Bengals, Lions, not anyone !! These teams don\'t have anymore talent than we do but thier coaches simply know how to use the talent they have. At least by being blown out by the Colts maybe someone will know that drastic changes are going to have to be made. Whether that be by changing coaching schemes or the coaches themselfs, but changes must be made.... [Edited on 29/9/2003 by BillyCarpenter1]
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09-29-2003, 10:50 PM	#63
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Step right up and place your bets!!!! lummox - thanks for the shot out - ya erd? Billy - way to step up and eat that crow. You\'re being big about it... of course, you know that\'s not going to stop me from changing my signature though... To me, it goes back to Zook and Meuller yet again. The last season (+4 games) has shown me how important those two were. Meuller was clearly the talent scout for this team. More importantly though is Zook. I always thought Zook was just a flat good coach. Yeah, he\'s not doing that well in FLA, but I think he did A LOT to help McCarthy from the get-go. I\'m guessing, and this is pure speculation, that Zook was really the architect behind our \"new look\" offense. The change stumped D-coordinators for about the first half of the season last year - however, McCarthy is completely incapable of making changes or evolving and thus NOTHING has changed with the offense. In fact, if anything has changed, he\'s become more conservative and predictable. Haslett and McCarthy may not get jobs at their current levels again in the NFL for a long, long time. [Edited on 30/9/2003 by WhoDat]
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

09-30-2003, 11:05 AM	#64
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Step right up and place your bets!!!! WhoDat -- If things continue they way they are now, not only will I be wrong, but you will also. I seem to remember you predicting 8-8. Of course when someone predicts 8-8 they are really saying they have no idea how the team is going to finish. It was a safe pick, but if they keep playing the way they have you will be just as wrong as me!! So yeah, I can admit when I\'m wrong but when are you going to step up to the plate?? It\'s really interesting to see some of you to post over and over that Brooks needs to go and we need to start Bouman. Interesting indeed!! Some of you are actually clever and try to cover-up your hate for Brooks by saying he isn\'t all of the problem, but the number of posts you guys write about Brooks would suggest otherwise. Especially when you consider that there are more glaring areas of concern, like the defense. Anyone with any sense knows that while Brooks might be part of the problem, that if the defense could be corrected that it would give us the best chance of winning, no matter who was at QB. But, for all the infinite football wisdom some of you claim to have, you feel the need to pin it on Brooks!! Not that is surprises me at all, since most of you have just been waiting for an opportunity to do just that. Right now, all of you Brooks bashers are just exploiting one bad game that Brooks has had this year and turning it in to an opportunity to drive your point home. Maybe Bouman would provide a spark for the offense and maybe he wouldn\'t. Will this team make it to the playoffs with Bouman? I highly doubt it and anyone with any sense knows this. Why not post over and over and over, about what the BIG problem with this team is?? THE DEFENSE !!! I\'ll tell ya why -- Because either: a.) You either can\'t see it. b.) You have nothing better to do than post worthless garbage about Brooks over and over and over...
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09-30-2003, 01:01 PM	#65
FWtex 100th Post Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 370	Step right up and place your bets!!!! Billie, just when you take a step forward you open your mouth and take 3 steps backwards. Just admit it plain and simple you were wrong!! To say someone who predicted 8-8 was taking the safe road because they did not know how the team would play is AZZ - e - 9. especially when most were saying this was a 12-4, 11-5 team. No Whodat was not anywhere close to being as wrong as you. quote: \"Why not post over and over and over, about what the BIG problem with this team is?? THE DEFENSE !!!\" You\'re a HAZDIOT!!
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09-30-2003, 11:42 PM	#66
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Step right up and place your bets!!!! Thanks FW - I believe my actual prediction was 7-9 or 8-8. I can look it up if Billy would like. Yeah I will probably be wrong. When all is said and done they will probably pick up 6 or 7 wins. We have been embarrassed, but we\'ve been embarrassed by very good teams. You know, I keep hearing the same quote in my head every time Billy posts - \"If you look around and think, \'everyone here is crazy,\' then you\'re the crazy one.\" Everybody and their mother is calling for Brooks\' head, Haslett\'s head, etc. But not Billy... or Saintfan. Apparently they know something we don\'t. Billy - is Jim Haslett a good coach? How many of his decisions in the last two years have paid off? How many have failed? Think about it. I bet you will come to realize that the MAJOR problem with this team is, in fact, coaching. If that\'s the case, then how you can cling to the one belief that they hold to most firmly is beyond me. Haslett is sticking with Brooks b/c he\'s stubborn. Come January, I\'ll bet you that gets him a nice seat in the stands right next to Billy, b/c he damn sure won\'t be walking the sidelines next season.
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

10-01-2003, 08:14 AM	#67
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Step right up and place your bets!!!! WhoDat -- So far Brooks is out playing your boy Delhomme!! The ONLY reason the Panthers have won is because of their defense. Jake still sucks in thos IMPORTANT QB STATS that you constantly wanted Brooks to live by. But of course being the hypocrite you are, you never bring those up about your boy Delhomme. Now all that matters are wins. Just overlook the fact that the Panthers would be winning with just about ANY QB. The fact of the matter is Aaron has had one bad game and has out played Jake!! Why aren\'t you calling for Jake to be benched?? For anyone to be calling for Brooks to be benched they must be saying that it\'s all his fault we are losing and that another QB would magicially solve those problems. It doesn\'t surprise me at all that the Brooks bashers are calling for Brooks to be benched. All you were waiting on was one bad game. Aaron will be starting this year and next year too............ Better learn to be a Brooks fan WhoDat are you are gonna be one miserable guy!!
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10-01-2003, 11:59 AM	#68
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Step right up and place your bets!!!! Not sure which is worse , the Brooks bashers who call for a change to potentially better the ability of the offense or the offensive scheme . Or those individuals that complain about those Brooks bashers posting those thoughts . I leave it to Admiral Hyman G. Rickover , U.S. Navy Who said : Great minds discuss ideas Average minds discuss events Small minds discuss people .
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10-01-2003, 12:16 PM	#69
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Step right up and place your bets!!!! 08-- I have encountered fans like you over the years. Fans that think they have the answers to it all. Your insistance that Brooks is the BIG problem just makes me sit here and laugh. I\'m all about the WINS when it comes to the Saints. At this point, I think putting Bouman in might spark this offense. But, I\'m not foolish enough to think that Brooks isn\'t a good QB or that Bouman is going to be the answer to the offensive problem. Up unitl last week Brooks was playing fine and even WhoDat himself admitted so. But after one bad game WhoDat is screaming for his head. Knee Jerk reaction? I think so !! You, yourself, are an imposter. You want us to believe that you have spotted all the problems on Sunday as you sit there and watch the game on TV. You are more than entitled to post your thoughts, but your expertise would be more suited to be walking the Saints sidelines and really working on correcting all the problems that you proclaim to have a fix for.
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10-01-2003, 04:57 PM	#70
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Step right up and place your bets!!!! Yeah, I\'m calling for his head the same way you are Billy. You just said, \"I think putting Bouman in might spark this offense.\" Is that not what I said? Up until Sunday night Brooks was playing much better, true. That doesn\'t mean he\'s right. Further, unless this team starts putting all kinds of points on the board, I\'m for a change. Last year, every time I brought up completion percentage or efficiency rating or any of that other stuff guys like you screamed - they\'re scoring 30 points a game, what more do you want?!?! Points, people like you argued, is all that matters. Now, all of a sudden, points don\'t matter? You have in the past attributed those points to Brooks\' play, you have attacked the line, and attacked the receivers. This only goes further to show that other than Deuce, you feel Brooks is the major motivation behind the Saints ability to score. Well, you made your bed, now lie in it. They\'re not scoring. Are you gonna point your finger at everyone else now? It\'s all Brooks when they score 30, but it\'s everyone else when they score 10 huh? And you say that I have an agenda!
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"