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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; heres what we got for our QB position Drew Brees: 4X pro bowler 3X all pro 3X NFC offensive player of the year Super Bowl MVP Mark Brunell: 3X pro bowler Chase Daniel: Heisman trophy finalist big 12 offensive player ...

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Old 03-14-2010, 10:57 PM   #1
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Re: Back-up QB options?

heres what we got for our QB position

Drew Brees:
4X pro bowler
3X all pro
3X NFC offensive player of the year
Super Bowl MVP

Mark Brunell:
3X pro bowler

Chase Daniel:
Heisman trophy finalist
big 12 offensive player of the year


what more can you ask for? we have a proven starter who is the best QB in the league......we have a proven vet as a backup who has taken teams to the playoffs and can fill in in an instant if drew does go down.......and we have a young guy that we can groom for the position later down the line

not many teams are as deep at the QB position as us.......who else has as great a starter, with a proven vet, and the ability to coach up a young guy because we have so much talent at the other positions

"deal with it or you can go play the saints and get trounced by 30 and you won't have to worry about it."-colin cowherd
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Re: Back-up QB options?

Originally Posted by CantonLegend View Post
heres what we got for our QB position

Drew Brees:
4X pro bowler
3X all pro
3X NFC offensive player of the year
Super Bowl MVP

Mark Brunell:
3X pro bowler

Chase Daniel:
Heisman trophy finalist
big 12 offensive player of the year


what more can you ask for? we have a proven starter who is the best QB in the league......we have a proven vet as a backup who has taken teams to the playoffs and can fill in in an instant if drew does go down.......and we have a young guy that we can groom for the position later down the line

not many teams are as deep at the QB position as us.......who else has as great a starter, with a proven vet, and the ability to coach up a young guy because we have so much talent at the other positions
On paper it looks awesome. In reality, Brunell sucks now and is over the hill, as evidenced this past season. Retrospectively, we should've given Chase the ball in some of those blowouts to close out games. It might have given us a better read on him. Wuerffel was a heisman winner and did not pan out. This may not translate to Chase, but who knows. The season is still young. I am not familiar with other rosters, but there may be a vet or two that could fill the bill. Or we may be forced to hang with Brunell until we train Chase.
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Old 03-15-2010, 06:18 AM   #3
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Re: Back-up QB options?

Originally Posted by CantonLegend View Post
heres what we got for our QB position

Drew Brees:
4X pro bowler
3X all pro
3X NFC offensive player of the year
Super Bowl MVP

Mark Brunell:
3X pro bowler

Chase Daniel:
Heisman trophy finalist
big 12 offensive player of the year


what more can you ask for? we have a proven starter who is the best QB in the league......we have a proven vet as a backup who has taken teams to the playoffs and can fill in in an instant if drew does go down.......and we have a young guy that we can groom for the position later down the line

not many teams are as deep at the QB position as us.......who else has as great a starter, with a proven vet, and the ability to coach up a young guy because we have so much talent at the other positions
Is there any reason you didn't include their age in the stats you posted?

I mean, we could always pick up Joe Montana or Terry Bradshaw. They've got some awesome stats, and if we are allowed to ignore age, there could be some other great prospects out there available.
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Old 03-15-2010, 01:46 PM   #4
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Originally Posted by Saint_LB View Post
Is there any reason you didn't include their age in the stats you posted?

I mean, we could always pick up Joe Montana or Terry Bradshaw. They've got some awesome stats, and if we are allowed to ignore age, there could be some other great prospects out there available.
sure...we could pick them up, but they are retired

there is a reason i didnt include age.....because age isnt as big a deal as talent or intelligence

if a guy can still play then it doesnt matter how old or young he is

brunell is 39.....brett favre is 40.....kurt warner is 38.....jeff garcia is 40

there are lots of older QBs that played and can play.....we dont need a backup QB that can take over for drew right now because drew is still in his prime.....we need a QB who can fill in short term and win a few games if drew goes down.....thats what brunell is

then on the other hand.....we have chase daniel who is young enough to learn and be groomed for the long term replacement if drew retires or goes down for an extended period of time

we dont need a backup at the same age as drew because they will be asking for starting money as a backup

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Originally Posted by CantonLegend View Post
sure...we could pick them up, but they are retired

there is a reason i didnt include age.....because age isnt as big a deal as talent or intelligence

if a guy can still play then it doesnt matter how old or young he is

brunell is 39.....brett favre is 40.....kurt warner is 38.....jeff garcia is 40

there are lots of older QBs that played and can play.....we dont need a backup QB that can take over for drew right now because drew is still in his prime.....we need a QB who can fill in short term and win a few games if drew goes down.....thats what brunell is

then on the other hand.....we have chase daniel who is young enough to learn and be groomed for the long term replacement if drew retires or goes down for an extended period of time

we dont need a backup at the same age as drew because they will be asking for starting money as a backup
You really didn't just put Brunell in the same category as Warner, Favre, and Garcia, did you? The only thing similar about them IS the age. Brunell hasn't played a full season as a starter in what? 4 years? Those other guys are and were still playing at high levels for their age. The same cannot be said for Brunell. Do you honestly think the Saints could win a few games with him behind center if something happens to Brees? If you do, you are probably one of the few. I'll admit that I liked the signing of Brunell two years ago, but since I've seen him on the field, not so much anymore. Brunell looked God awful in that game against Carolina. It was painful to watch. Just because he has a decent resume, doesn't mean he is not replaceable. I will agree with you that Brunell is intelligent, but talent has left him long ago. I would much rather see what Chase Daniel can bring to the table over Brunell.
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You really didn't just put Brunell in the same category as Warner, Favre, and Garcia, did you? The only thing similar about them IS the age. Brunell hasn't played a full season as a starter in what? 4 years? Those other guys are and were still playing at high levels for their age. The same cannot be said for Brunell. Do you honestly think the Saints could win a few games with him behind center if something happens to Brees? If you do, you are probably one of the few. I'll admit that I liked the signing of Brunell two years ago, but since I've seen him on the field, not so much anymore. Brunell looked God awful in that game against Carolina. It was painful to watch. Just because he has a decent resume, doesn't mean he is not replaceable. I will agree with you that Brunell is intelligent, but talent has left him long ago. I would much rather see what Chase Daniel can bring to the table over Brunell.
in the carolina game.....with backups? against the #4 pass defense in the league? with all their starters in? thats the game you are judging?

come on brother. one game does not make a career.......brunell filled in for 1 game in 2 years against one of the premiere defenses in the league and your basing your opinion of him on that one game

but you'd rather have guys like derek anderson or jake delhomme who had a combined 11 TDs to 28 INTs

guys who lost a combined 6 fumbles in 18 starts combined......guys who couldnt make it on 2 of the worst teams in the league?

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in the carolina game.....with backups? against the #4 pass defense in the league? with all their starters in? thats the game you are judging?

come on brother. one game does not make a career.......brunell filled in for 1 game in 2 years against one of the premiere defenses in the league and your basing your opinion of him on that one game

but you'd rather have guys like derek anderson or jake delhomme who had a combined 11 TDs to 28 INTs

guys who lost a combined 6 fumbles in 18 starts combined......guys who couldnt make it on 2 of the worst teams in the league?
Exactly. That is exactly what I am basing it on. Regardless of the starters that played that day for Carolina, they played pathetic on defense. If Brees had started, they would have been picked apart. They had nothing to play for but a .500 season and they showed it. Brunell's passes were terrible. Not even close to their mark. Why did the Saints run the majority of the time in the game? Because Brunell isn't good anymore. That's why. Brunell wouldn't be a starter for any team in the NFL right now. Not even the Bills. So why on earth would anyone be comfortable with him as a back-up to "fill in" a few games when his skill set has regressed drastically? And yes. I would rather have someone like Jake or Derek as a back up. Look at the receivers those two had to work with. Jake had a receiver that is probably on the down slope of his career in Steve Smith. Other than that, he had nothing. What did Anderson, or even Quinn for that matter, have in Cleveland? You should be able to answer that, because you talk about the Browns enough on here. If you can't, I'll answer for you. They had NOTHING. Their receivers were crap. You can't be good if you have nothing to work with. Anderson is two years removed from a pretty darn good season when he had more to work with. I'm not saying they would be All-World with the Saints if we had either one and something happened to Brees, but I would feel more comfortable seeing them behind center than Brunell. I don't care what kind of resume' Brunell has. He isn't good anymore. At all.
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Exactly. That is exactly what I am basing it on. Regardless of the starters that played that day for Carolina, they played pathetic on defense. If Brees had started, they would have been picked apart.
there is a distinct difference between brees and brunell.....just like there is between brees and DA and brees and delhomme and brees and any other QB in the league.......drew is a freak of nature at the QB position...thats why brunell is a backup

They had nothing to play for but a .500 season and they showed it. Brunell's passes were terrible. Not even close to their mark. Why did the Saints run the majority of the time in the game?
why did they run the majority of the game.......4th ranked pass defense, 22nd ranked rush defense....significant difference between strength and weakness of that defense

Because Brunell isn't good anymore. That's why. Brunell wouldn't be a starter for any team in the NFL right now.
ru sure? there are a lot of teams that could use QBs right about now...think rams, 49ers, panthers, browns, bills, raiders, buccaneers....etc

And yes. I would rather have someone like Jake or Derek as a back up. Look at the receivers those two had to work with. Jake had a receiver that is probably on the down slope of his career in Steve Smith. Other than that, he had nothing. What did Anderson, or even Quinn for that matter, have in Cleveland? You should be able to answer that, because you talk about the Browns enough on here. If you can't, I'll answer for you. They had NOTHING. Their receivers were crap. You can't be good if you have nothing to work with.
first i'll respond to the browns thing......the browns are a terrible team....ive defended DA and quinn a lot because of the lack of talent on that team....having said that, DA is one of the most inaccurate passers ive seen....i said that in his pro bowl season.....i said that the year after his pro bowl season......the browns were much better off with charlie frye starting because he could move in the pocket and avoid pressure......DA wants starter money and will not settle for a backup position

secondly......the players that delhomme and DA were playing with are starters.....the players that brunell was playing with.....darnell dinkins, lynell hamilton, robert meachem, kyle eckel.....etc......now i know we are all homers here, but when other teams look at us, do you think they are scared of any of those players? probably not.....the lone name that stands out is meachem who has had 1 solid season in 3 years and could be a good player if he continues like that

Anderson is two years removed from a pretty darn good season when he had more to work with. I'm not saying they would be All-World with the Saints if we had either one and something happened to Brees, but I would feel more comfortable seeing them behind center than Brunell. I don't care what kind of resume' Brunell has. He isn't good anymore. At all.
the year anderson made the pro bowl.....he threw 19 INTs and completed only 56% of his passes

mark brunell has completed less than 56% of his passes only 2 seasons in his entire career.....his first season played in 1994(played 2 games....27 pass attempts) and this past season when he played 1 game

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in the carolina game.....with backups? against the #4 pass defense in the league? with all their starters in? thats the game you are judging?

come on brother. one game does not make a career.......brunell filled in for 1 game in 2 years against one of the premiere defenses in the league and your basing your opinion of him on that one game

but you'd rather have guys like derek anderson or jake delhomme who had a combined 11 TDs to 28 INTs

guys who lost a combined 6 fumbles in 18 starts combined......guys who couldnt make it on 2 of the worst teams in the league?
Just like Brunell couldn't make it on Washington, another poor team. If Drew goes down, no way does he lead us to wins. Very good career, but time has caught him. Playing with backups doesn't explain why he had difficulty throwing catchable passes. During preseason and limited duty he has looked poor. I would prefer a direct snap to PT/Bush than have him behind center. Rember his fake fieldgoal pass to Dinkins? It's hard to argue he has much left based on performance here, his inability to stay on in Washington and the fact that no other team has any interest in him as their starter. Brunell 10 years ago? Sure I'd take him. Brunell now, I'll pass....because he can't.
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Brunell looked God awful in that game against Carolina. It was painful to watch.
Is there a reason that you left out that he was playing with second and even third stringers?
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