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Now that Jake is off the board. What route do you all think we should go for a back-up? Do we keep Brunell on for another year? Does Chase Daniel get a good shot at it in training camp? Do we bring in another vet?

One person that slightly intrigues me as a possibility if we go the veteran route is Shaun Hill of the 49ers. With the Niners signing David Carr, Hill's days are pretty much numbered in San Francisco. I read an article where he is being offered up as trade bait, but if he isn't traded, he will probably be released. He's only 30 years old and he has knowledge of the NFC West, which the Saints play next season. He's had a few impressive games with a team that didn't give him much to work with outside of Vernon Davis. I think he could be had on the cheap and could bolster the QB position. Just a thought. What are your opinions, not just on Hill, but the back-up spot as a whole.

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I thought about this to..but i dont think he's any better than Brunell..idk

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I think Chase Daniel should get a shot. Shaun Hill has been traded to the Lions.

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Well there went that idea. lol

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Not really a lot of options right now as far as veteran backups go, but I am sure something will work out. Maybe Daniel is the guy, just don't know. Saints could still trade for someone too, who knows. I just don't see the Saints holding on to Brunell for another year, but I could be wrong. Heck, if there is no one to replace him with then you have to carry him, right???

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heres what we got for our QB position

Drew Brees:
4X pro bowler
3X all pro
3X NFC offensive player of the year
Super Bowl MVP

Mark Brunell:
3X pro bowler

Chase Daniel:
Heisman trophy finalist
big 12 offensive player of the year


what more can you ask for? we have a proven starter who is the best QB in the league......we have a proven vet as a backup who has taken teams to the playoffs and can fill in in an instant if drew does go down.......and we have a young guy that we can groom for the position later down the line

not many teams are as deep at the QB position as us.......who else has as great a starter, with a proven vet, and the ability to coach up a young guy because we have so much talent at the other positions

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Wonder if we could get Chris Simms away from the Broncos now that they got Quinn and Orton in place? Or someone similar to Simms, I think we could get a QB cheap who has had some experience and Payton and staff can bring them along and get them to play well in pre-season and be ready.

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On paper it looks awesome. In reality, Brunell sucks now and is over the hill, as evidenced this past season. Retrospectively, we should've given Chase the ball in some of those blowouts to close out games. It might have given us a better read on him. Wuerffel was a heisman winner and did not pan out. This may not translate to Chase, but who knows. The season is still young. I am not familiar with other rosters, but there may be a vet or two that could fill the bill. Or we may be forced to hang with Brunell until we train Chase.

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I think chase should get his shot, his measurables are exactly like brees, not the tallest guy but his accuracy is pin point. He looked good last preseason for the skins, plus he's got brees to mentor him, what more could you ask for

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Is there any reason you didn't include their age in the stats you posted?

I mean, we could always pick up Joe Montana or Terry Bradshaw. They've got some awesome stats, and if we are allowed to ignore age, there could be some other great prospects out there available.

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Bulger. He had some great years in a pass happy Rams scheme with Martz. Under Payton he could revive his career.

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He would be coming home..lol

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I don't think Payton will give up anything to have a back up QB. He'd either get one in the draft that he loves or take a vet who is really over the hill. I do think he likes him some Chase.

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Chase Daniels was on the practice squad from what I remember and was cut and brought back a few times. It would be hard to match Drews measurables and compare the two. Payton will probably bring in a couple of young guys to compete with Daniels. There are several good young backups out there and Payton has shown the ability to evaluate talent well.

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sure...we could pick them up, but they are retired

there is a reason i didnt include age.....because age isnt as big a deal as talent or intelligence

if a guy can still play then it doesnt matter how old or young he is

brunell is 39.....brett favre is 40.....kurt warner is 38.....jeff garcia is 40

there are lots of older QBs that played and can play.....we dont need a backup QB that can take over for drew right now because drew is still in his prime.....we need a QB who can fill in short term and win a few games if drew goes down.....thats what brunell is

then on the other hand.....we have chase daniel who is young enough to learn and be groomed for the long term replacement if drew retires or goes down for an extended period of time

we dont need a backup at the same age as drew because they will be asking for starting money as a backup

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You really didn't just put Brunell in the same category as Warner, Favre, and Garcia, did you? The only thing similar about them IS the age. Brunell hasn't played a full season as a starter in what? 4 years? Those other guys are and were still playing at high levels for their age. The same cannot be said for Brunell. Do you honestly think the Saints could win a few games with him behind center if something happens to Brees? If you do, you are probably one of the few. I'll admit that I liked the signing of Brunell two years ago, but since I've seen him on the field, not so much anymore. Brunell looked God awful in that game against Carolina. It was painful to watch. Just because he has a decent resume, doesn't mean he is not replaceable. I will agree with you that Brunell is intelligent, but talent has left him long ago. I would much rather see what Chase Daniel can bring to the table over Brunell.

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in the carolina game.....with backups? against the #4 pass defense in the league? with all their starters in? thats the game you are judging?

come on brother. one game does not make a career.......brunell filled in for 1 game in 2 years against one of the premiere defenses in the league and your basing your opinion of him on that one game

but you'd rather have guys like derek anderson or jake delhomme who had a combined 11 TDs to 28 INTs

guys who lost a combined 6 fumbles in 18 starts combined......guys who couldnt make it on 2 of the worst teams in the league?

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Is there a reason that you left out that he was playing with second and even third stringers?

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Exactly. That is exactly what I am basing it on. Regardless of the starters that played that day for Carolina, they played pathetic on defense. If Brees had started, they would have been picked apart. They had nothing to play for but a .500 season and they showed it. Brunell's passes were terrible. Not even close to their mark. Why did the Saints run the majority of the time in the game? Because Brunell isn't good anymore. That's why. Brunell wouldn't be a starter for any team in the NFL right now. Not even the Bills. So why on earth would anyone be comfortable with him as a back-up to "fill in" a few games when his skill set has regressed drastically? And yes. I would rather have someone like Jake or Derek as a back up. Look at the receivers those two had to work with. Jake had a receiver that is probably on the down slope of his career in Steve Smith. Other than that, he had nothing. What did Anderson, or even Quinn for that matter, have in Cleveland? You should be able to answer that, because you talk about the Browns enough on here. If you can't, I'll answer for you. They had NOTHING. Their receivers were crap. You can't be good if you have nothing to work with. Anderson is two years removed from a pretty darn good season when he had more to work with. I'm not saying they would be All-World with the Saints if we had either one and something happened to Brees, but I would feel more comfortable seeing them behind center than Brunell. I don't care what kind of resume' Brunell has. He isn't good anymore. At all.

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Keep Chase. Let him grow behind Drew.

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Just like Brunell couldn't make it on Washington, another poor team. If Drew goes down, no way does he lead us to wins. Very good career, but time has caught him. Playing with backups doesn't explain why he had difficulty throwing catchable passes. During preseason and limited duty he has looked poor. I would prefer a direct snap to PT/Bush than have him behind center. Rember his fake fieldgoal pass to Dinkins? It's hard to argue he has much left based on performance here, his inability to stay on in Washington and the fact that no other team has any interest in him as their starter. Brunell 10 years ago? Sure I'd take him. Brunell now, I'll pass....because he can't.

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Almost every receiver on the roster that was healthy played in the game. Maybe not for long, but they did. Colston, Meachem, and Henderson all saw action. They had a combined 4 catches on 14 targets for an impressive 33 yards. Brunell barely completed 50% of his passes and had a 45.5 QB rating. With Brunell being a back-up, who do you think he practices the most with? The 1st team? No. It's the 2nd and 3rd stringers. He should have been more comfortable back there, because he was playing with the guys he practices with the majority of the time. Instead, he stunk up the place.

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there is a distinct difference between brees and brunell.....just like there is between brees and DA and brees and delhomme and brees and any other QB in the league.......drew is a freak of nature at the QB position...thats why brunell is a backup

why did they run the majority of the game.......4th ranked pass defense, 22nd ranked rush defense....significant difference between strength and weakness of that defense

ru sure? there are a lot of teams that could use QBs right about now...think rams, 49ers, panthers, browns, bills, raiders, buccaneers....etc

first i'll respond to the browns thing......the browns are a terrible team....ive defended DA and quinn a lot because of the lack of talent on that team....having said that, DA is one of the most inaccurate passers ive seen....i said that in his pro bowl season.....i said that the year after his pro bowl season......the browns were much better off with charlie frye starting because he could move in the pocket and avoid pressure......DA wants starter money and will not settle for a backup position

secondly......the players that delhomme and DA were playing with are starters.....the players that brunell was playing with.....darnell dinkins, lynell hamilton, robert meachem, kyle eckel.....etc......now i know we are all homers here, but when other teams look at us, do you think they are scared of any of those players? probably not.....the lone name that stands out is meachem who has had 1 solid season in 3 years and could be a good player if he continues like that

the year anderson made the pro bowl.....he threw 19 INTs and completed only 56% of his passes

mark brunell has completed less than 56% of his passes only 2 seasons in his entire career.....his first season played in 1994(played 2 games....27 pass attempts) and this past season when he played 1 game

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And Brunell will continue to be a back-up, at best, no matter what team he plays for.



Actually, I correct myself. They only ran the ball three more times than they passed, so it was balanced. Regardless, Brunell's passes were horrible and, as I stated in another post, he works with the 2nd and 3rd stringers on a regular basis. He should have been comfortable with them, but he did not look comfortable at all back there in the pocket. He could only complete short passes, and even those looked shaky. Anytime he went down the field, he either grossly overthrew or underthrew his receiver.



Brunell would look just as horrible on any of these teams, as well. You just listed a bunch of teams that are also horrible and have nothing to work with. Rams? Donnie Avery is the #1 receiver? Come on. 49ers? No one on that team but Vernon Davis. The jury is still out on Crabtree, because he hasn't played a full season yet. Panthers? I've already said my peace about them. They have a one-trick pony in Steve Smith. Browns? Yep. Already covered them, too. Bills? They had Lee Evans T.O and a horrible offensive line that couldn't make it protective custody much less protect a QB. Raiders? Notice how much better they were with Gradkowski in as QB than Russell? Buccaneers? Freeman will be the starter there next year regardless. Brunell wouldn't beat him out at all.



Again, as I stated above and in another post, Brunell practices with the 2nd and 3rd string, so he should have had a better game. Point is that he didn't. He stunk.





And how many games has Brunell played in the last four years? If he could have been a starter on any other team, then why would he settle for a back-up job with the Saints, knowing he wouldn't see the field unless something happened to Drew. Why didn't Delhomme do the same thing? Because he is confident enough in himself that he can still start. That's why he went to a team where he can compete for it. If Brunell is that confident, let him walk. Let him go to a team that he thinks he can start for. We will see how far that gets him.

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Denver just released Chris Simms

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He is probably the last option I would consider. He hasn't been the same since that spleen injury...or whatever it was he hurt.

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Having read everyones comments, all I can add is this, Brunell is probably going to stay on as our back-up QB, mostly due to northing better being out there in FA. IMO he doesn't have it anymore and can't make the throws but do any of you see any good veterans out there willing to sign as a backup? I sure don't. Maybe the kid will develop, we'll just have to see but once again we are in the same boat as last year. Pray nothing happens to Brees.

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brunell is a waste of money...he does nothing. i'm sure someone else could hold the snaps better than he did last year.

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I have an idea, let's make Drew Brees the second stringer, behind Drew Brees. Honestly, I would take an injured Drew, over either one of our back ups, any day of the week. And we all know he's not human anyway. He is an NFL robot, sent back from the future, to destroy all those in his path. I swear I saw a Skynet tattoo on his ankle.

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Gentelmen while having a solid plan B is always a issue, "WE HAVE THE BEST QB IN THE GAME IN HIS PRIME" why are we worring about something that wont be an issue for 6 years from now? I say Daniel can use the time to learn under one of the greats of our generation, Look at Arron Rodgers he sat behind Darth Vader foreverand when he got his chance he was prepared to take over from the expierence he gained learning the offense and watching it executed correctly.( sum what)

If we were to look into a serviceable back-up I say pry Tyler Thigpen from the Phins, He got shafted when haley came to town, He's not bad reminds me of a young Rich Gannon, Stat mongurs be advised no one can do well behind a bad offensive line.( See Jay Cutler)

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What about Anderson. I think his problem in Cleveland was..... well Cleveland!

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Interesting. I would love to see Thigpen here as the back-up.

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Just signed a two year deal with the Cardinals today.

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Crap.....

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Garcia? He is better then Brunell......

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is he? where did he do well? philly? the same place that kolb and mcnabb are also doing well

maybe its time to recognize the system in philly rather than the individual players

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Philly, San fran, he beat us up in Tampa............not to mention he does not have the miles that Brunell has on him.

PS: Kolb will be a beast and Mcnabb already is.

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everybody beat us.....tampa had a good team too

kansas city said the same thing about matt cassell

all it takes is a good offensive line and some talented WRs

ask tom brady

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Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% AV
1999 29 SFO QB 5 13 10 2-8-0 225 375 60.0 2544 11 2.9 11 2.9 62 6.8 6.1 11.3 195.7 77.9 15 104 6.3 5.6 3.8 9
2000* 30 SFO QB 5 16 16 6-10-0 355 561 63.3 4278 31 5.5 10 1.8 69 7.6 7.9 12.1 267.4 97.6 24 155 7.0 7.3 4.1 20
2001* 31 SFO QB 5 16 16 12-4-0 316 504 62.7 3538 32 6.3 12 2.4 61 7.0 7.2 11.2 221.1 94.8 26 114 6.5 6.6 4.9 18
2002* 32 SFO QB 5 16 16 10-6-0 328 528 62.1 3344 21 4.0 10 1.9 76 6.3 6.3 10.2 209.0 85.6 17 93 6.0 5.9 3.1 15
2003 33 SFO QB 5 13 13 5-8-0 225 392 57.4 2704 18 4.6 13 3.3 75 6.9 6.3 12.0 208.0 80.1 21 104 6.3 5.8 5.1 12
2004 34 CLE QB 5 11 10 3-7-0 144 252 57.1 1731 10 4.0 9 3.6 99 6.9 6.1 12.0 157.4 76.7 24 99 5.9 5.2 8.7 6
2005 35 DET qb 5 6 5 1-4-0 102 173 59.0 937 3 1.7 6 3.5 49 5.4 4.2 9.2 156.2 65.1 6 34 5.0 3.9 3.4 0
2006 36 PHI qb 7 8 6 5-1-0 116 188 61.7 1309 10 5.3 2 1.1 65 7.0 7.5 11.3 163.6 95.8 6 40 6.5 7.1 3.1 5
2007* 37 TAM QB 7 13 13 8-5-0 209 327 63.9 2440 13 4.0 4 1.2 69 7.5 7.7 11.7 187.7 94.6 19 104 6.8 7.0 5.5 9
2008 38 TAM QB 7 12 11 6-5-0 244 376 64.9 2712 12 3.2 6 1.6 71 7.2 7.1 11.1 226.0 90.2 23 100 6.5 6.5 5.8 8
2009 39 PHI 9 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0
Career 125 116 58-58-0 2264 3676 61.6 25537 161 4.4 83 2.3 99 6.9 6.8 11.3 204.3 87.5 181 947 6.4 6.2 4.7 102
5 yrs SFO 74 71 35-36-0 1449 2360 61.4 16408 113 4.8 56 2.4 76 7.0 6.8 11.3 221.7 88.3 103 570 6.4 6.3 4.2 74
2 yrs PHI 9 6 5-1-0 116 188 61.7 1309 10 5.3 2 1.1 65 7.0 7.5 11.3 145.4 95.8 6 40 6.5 7.1 3.1 5
2 yrs TAM 25 24 14-10-0 453 703 64.4 5152 25 3.6 10 1.4 71 7.3 7.4 11.4 206.1 92.2 42 204 6.6 6.7 5.6 17
1 yr CLE 11 10 3-7-0 144 252 57.1 1731 10 4.0 9 3.6 99 6.9 6.1 12.0 157.4 76.7 24 99 5.9 5.2 8.7 6
1 yr DET 6 5 1-4-0 102 173 59.0 937 3 1.7 6 3.5 49 5.4 4.2 9.2 156.2 65.1 6 34 5.0 3.9 3.4 0

Playoff Record as Starting QB: 2001 (0-1), 2002 (1-1), 2006 (1-1), 2007 (0-1)



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Mark Allen Brunell

Position: QB
Height: 6-1 Weight: 217 lbs.
Born: September 17, 1970 in Los Angeles, CA
College: Washington

Career AV: 96 (173rd overall since 1950)

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Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% AV
1994 24 GNB 8 2 0 12 27 44.4 95 0 0.0 0 0.0 25 3.5 3.5 7.9 47.5 53.8 2 16 2.7 2.7 6.9 0
1995 25 JAX QB 8 13 10 3-7-0 201 346 58.1 2168 15 4.3 7 2.0 45 6.3 6.2 10.8 166.8 82.6 39 238 5.0 5.0 10.1 9
1996* 26 JAX QB 8 16 16 9-7-0 353 557 63.4 4367 19 3.4 20 3.6 62 7.8 6.9 12.4 272.9 84.0 50 257 6.8 5.9 8.2 16
1997* 27 JAX QB 8 14 14 9-5-0 264 435 60.7 3281 18 4.1 7 1.6 75 7.5 7.6 12.4 234.4 91.2 33 189 6.6 6.7 7.1 15
1998 28 JAX QB 8 13 13 10-3-0 208 354 58.8 2601 20 5.6 9 2.5 78 7.3 7.3 12.5 200.1 89.9 28 172 6.4 6.3 7.3 12
1999* 29 JAX QB 8 15 15 13-2-0 259 441 58.7 3060 14 3.2 9 2.0 62 6.9 6.7 11.8 204.0 82.0 29 174 6.1 5.9 6.2 12
2000 30 JAX QB 8 16 16 7-9-0 311 512 60.7 3640 20 3.9 14 2.7 67 7.1 6.7 11.7 227.5 84.0 54 289 5.9 5.5 9.5 14
2001 31 JAX QB 8 15 15 6-9-0 289 473 61.1 3309 19 4.0 13 2.7 44 7.0 6.6 11.4 220.6 84.1 57 387 5.5 5.1 10.8 12
2002 32 JAX QB 8 15 15 6-9-0 245 416 58.9 2788 17 4.1 7 1.7 79 6.7 6.8 11.4 185.9 85.7 34 210 5.7 5.8 7.6 12
2003 33 JAX 8 3 3 0-3-0 54 82 65.9 484 2 2.4 0 0.0 65 5.9 6.4 9.0 161.3 89.7 9 46 4.8 5.3 9.9 1
2004 34 WAS QB 8 9 9 3-6-0 118 237 49.8 1194 7 3.0 6 2.5 49 5.0 4.5 10.1 132.7 63.9 15 105 4.3 3.8 6.0 0
2005 35 WAS QB 8 16 15 9-6-0 262 454 57.7 3050 23 5.1 10 2.2 78 6.7 6.7 11.6 190.6 85.9 27 213 5.9 5.9 5.6 11
2006 36 WAS QB 8 10 9 3-6-0 162 260 62.3 1789 8 3.1 4 1.5 74 6.9 6.8 11.0 178.9 86.5 12 92 6.2 6.2 4.4 6
2008 38 NOR 11 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0.0 0 0 0
2009 39 NOR 11 4 15 30 50.0 102 0 0.0 1 3.3 18 3.4 1.9 6.8 25.5 44.0 0 0 3.4 1.9 0.0
Career 163 150 78-72-0 2753 4624 59.5 31928 182 3.9 107 2.3 79 6.9 6.7 11.6 195.9 83.9 389 2388 5.9 5.7 7.8 120
9 yrs JAX 120 117 63-54-0 2184 3616 60.4 25698 144 4.0 86 2.4 79 7.1 6.8 11.8 214.2 85.4 333 1962 6.0 5.8 8.4 103
3 yrs WAS 35 33 15-18-0 542 951 57.0 6033 38 4.0 20 2.1 78 6.3 6.2 11.1 172.4 80.6 54 410 5.6 5.5 5.4 17
2 yrs NOR 6 0 15 30 50.0 102 0 0.0 1 3.3 18 3.4 1.9 6.8 17.0 44.0 0 0 3.4 1.9 0.0 0
1 yr GNB 2 0 12 27 44.4 95 0 0.0 0 0.0 25 3.5 3.5 7.9 47.5 53.8 2 16 2.7 2.7 6.9 0

Playoff Record as Starting QB: 1996 (2-1), 1997 (0-1), 1998 (1-1), 1999 (1-1), 2005 (1-1)

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Do like that Garcia option, if he's willing to not start/play mop up/wait for the unthinkable.

His ego is HUGE, more so given his age.