Pierre wants new deal but will not skip work outs..

strato · 03-27-2010, 03:17 PM

P.T stands for Professional Tailback...

Tobias-Reiper · 03-27-2010, 03:51 PM

It is probably that his deal is close to being done and it is a fair deal.
I find it strange that no other teams showed interest in PT considering he only got a 2nd round tender.

MatthewT · 03-27-2010, 07:12 PM

Truth is PT knows what the situation is. He is part of a committee backfield. Yes, he does deserve a nice raise, but he is also smart enough not to hold out for it. I am sure if he was the type of player to raise stink and try and hold out, Loomis wouldn't have any issues letting him stay out. The way the Saints offense is structured, there really isn't anyone besides a Brees hold out that would cripple the unit. Brees has the only true leverage on that offense.

CantonLegend · 03-28-2010, 01:00 AM

know ur role, finish your contract the way you've been playing and you'll earn your new contract

im not a fan of players signing a contract then wanting more money before it expires

its 1 thing if the team wants to pay you more money for your services, the team that gave you an opportunity and carried you to a super bowl, the team that didnt leave you on the bench after your injury in favor of mike bell and reggie bush who were doing quite well without you, the team that was the #1 offense in the league without you

but sure, if you feel you deserve more money, then ***** and moan about not getting paid but remember that when you get hurt or underperform and that team throws you to the curb cuz you cant live up to that contract(charles grant) that you better not have any hard feelings

Saint_LB · 03-28-2010, 03:47 AM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

know ur role, finish your contract the way you've been playing and you'll earn your new contract

im not a fan of players signing a contract then wanting more money before it expires

its 1 thing if the team wants to pay you more money for your services, the team that gave you an opportunity and carried you to a super bowl, the team that didnt leave you on the bench after your injury in favor of mike bell and reggie bush who were doing quite well without you, the team that was the #1 offense in the league without you

but sure, if you feel you deserve more money, then ***** and moan about not getting paid but remember that when you get hurt or underperform and that team throws you to the curb cuz you cant live up to that contract(charles grant) that you better not have any hard feelings

I agree with you, too. You get one of those "oh well, I tried to give REPS but wouldn't let me."

saintfan · 03-28-2010, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

know ur role, finish your contract the way you've been playing and you'll earn your new contract

im not a fan of players signing a contract then wanting more money before it expires

its 1 thing if the team wants to pay you more money for your services, the team that gave you an opportunity and carried you to a super bowl, the team that didnt leave you on the bench after your injury in favor of mike bell and reggie bush who were doing quite well without you, the team that was the #1 offense in the league without you

but sure, if you feel you deserve more money, then ***** and moan about not getting paid but remember that when you get hurt or underperform and that team throws you to the curb cuz you cant live up to that contract(charles grant) that you better not have any hard feelings

Normally I agree with this approach, and if a player is already making millions I think that matters, but these guys don't generally have a lot of years to work with in the NFL. I think guys like PT - ones that have performed above and beyond on minimum deals - should be able to renegotiate. The guy could rip his ankle off in a pre-season game and thats it.

Tobias-Reiper · 03-28-2010, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

know ur role, finish your contract the way you've been playing and you'll earn your new contract

im not a fan of players signing a contract then wanting more money before it expires

its 1 thing if the team wants to pay you more money for your services, the team that gave you an opportunity and carried you to a super bowl, the team that didnt leave you on the bench after your injury in favor of mike bell and reggie bush who were doing quite well without you, the team that was the #1 offense in the league without you

but sure, if you feel you deserve more money, then ***** and moan about not getting paid but remember that when you get hurt or underperform and that team throws you to the curb cuz you cant live up to that contract(charles grant) that you better not have any hard feelings

Hold on a sec, there.

I'm not a lawyer, but at its most basic, a contract is merely the "rules of engagement" between 2 or more parties. When a contract is signed, it is understood that the parties involved have agreed to the rules , and that all parties are going to draw some benefit from this arrangement which they all perceive as "fair" or "satisfactory".

You said the Saints gave Thomas an opportunity, yes they did, but they didn't give him this opportunity out of the goodness of their hearts. The FO signed Thomas like they sign many rookie players not drafted prior to the pre-season:to see "what happens", and it just happened that PT did a better job than the player the Saints drafted as RB in the 4th round.

Now we have a situation where PT is certainly more valuable than an undrafted rookie signed as a camp body to see "what happens", and is doing much more than an undrafted rookie signed as a camp body. So, while the contract he agreed to sign still stands, and the FO has no obligation to re-work until it ends, the question now is, given PTs performance the past 2 years, how valuable is Thomas to this team the next 4 seasons? If the FO thinks he's valuable, the FO is going to not just agree to, but want to re-write the contract to ensure PT's services in the long haul, and make sure his price doesn't actually go up if he keeps playing better. Of course, he could get hurt, he could play worse, Donte' Stallworth could run him over with his Bentley and kill him, but that's the gamble FOs take every time they sign anyone.

And think about it this way: what do you do for a living? Say, for the sake of argument, you get a job as a salesperson with Company X. 3 months later, they come to you and tell you "we want to make you office manager". The first thing that's going to go through your mind is "what's the raise?", but they tell you "no raise, you signed a contract to work in this office. You'll have more work and responsibilities now, but since you signed the contract to work in this office, your pay is the same". Then a few months later, they come back to you and tell you "hey, based on your performance, we want to make you regional sales manager". Again, the first that would go through your mind is "what's the raise?" Yet again, the higher-ups tell you since you agreed to work at this office in your original contract for a certain amount, you get no pay raise. At that time, I am sure you'll be preparing a resume to go somewhere else.

And that's basically what happened to PT:
Got hired to be a camp body.
Got promoted to 3rd string - no raise.
Got promoted to 2nd string - no raise.
Got promoted to 1st string - no raise.

So, like PT says, he's building his resume. If he doesn't get his pay raise with this firm, he'll take his talents somewhere else, and it would be a shame to lose his talent.

CheramieIII · 03-28-2010, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

Hold on a sec, there.

I'm not a lawyer, but at its most basic, a contract is merely the "rules of engagement" between 2 or more parties. When a contract is signed, it is understood that the parties involved have agreed to the rules , and that all parties are going to draw some benefit from this arrangement which they all perceive as "fair" or "satisfactory".

You said the Saints gave Thomas an opportunity, yes they did, but they didn't give him this opportunity out of the goodness of their hearts. The FO signed Thomas like they sign many rookie players not drafted prior to the pre-season:to see "what happens", and it just happened that PT did a better job than the player the Saints drafted as RB in the 4th round.

Now we have a situation where PT is certainly more valuable than an undrafted rookie signed as a camp body to see "what happens", and is doing much more than an undrafted rookie signed as a camp body. So, while the contract he agreed to sign still stands, and the FO has no obligation to re-work until it ends, the question now is, given PTs performance the past 2 years, how valuable is Thomas to this team the next 4 seasons? If the FO thinks he's valuable, the FO is going to not just agree to, but want to re-write the contract to ensure PT's services in the long haul, and make sure his price doesn't actually go up if he keeps playing better. Of course, he could get hurt, he could play worse, Donte' Stallworth could run him over with his Bentley and kill him, but that's the gamble FOs take every time they sign anyone.

And think about it this way: what do you do for a living? Say, for the sake of argument, you get a job as a salesperson with Company X. 3 months later, they come to you and tell you "we want to make you office manager". The first thing that's going to go through your mind is "what's the raise?", but they tell you "no raise, you signed a contract to work in this office. You'll have more work and responsibilities now, but since you signed the contract to work in this office, your pay is the same". Then a few months later, they come back to you and tell you "hey, based on your performance, we want to make you regional sales manager". Again, the first that would go through your mind is "what's the raise?" Yet again, the higher-ups tell you since you agreed to work at this office in your original contract for a certain amount, you get no pay raise. At that time, I am sure you'll be preparing a resume to go somewhere else.

And that's basically what happened to PT:
Got hired to be a camp body.
Got promoted to 3rd string - no raise.
Got promoted to 2nd string - no raise.
Got promoted to 1st string - no raise.

So, like PT says, he's building his resume. If he doesn't get his pay raise with this firm, he'll take his talents somewhere else, and it would be a shame to lose his talent.

I agree with your logic TR but most definitely agree with the Stallworth comment.

CantonLegend · 03-28-2010, 08:07 PM

first off id like to say that this is a very unique look at it and im not totally against it.....but(dont you hate it when theres a but?)

Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper

You said the Saints gave Thomas an opportunity, yes they did, but they didn't give him this opportunity out of the goodness of their hearts. The FO signed Thomas like they sign many rookie players not drafted prior to the pre-season:to see "what happens", and it just happened that PT did a better job than the player the Saints drafted as RB in the 4th round.

but there were 2 parties that signed it, just like you said.....PT signed the same "see what happens" contract and promised to play at the top of his ability by signing that contract. he has proven that he goes hard nearly every play....and he has earned that initial contract by doing so

Now we have a situation where PT is certainly more valuable than an undrafted rookie signed as a camp body to see "what happens",

i feel PJ Hill, lynell hamilton, and herb donaldson are very talented young kids

the question now is, given PTs performance the past 2 years, how valuable is Thomas to this team the next 4 seasons? If the FO thinks he's valuable, the FO is going to not just agree to, but want to re-write the contract to ensure PT's services in the long haul, and make sure his price doesn't actually go up if he keeps playing better. Of course, he could get hurt, he could play worse, Donte' Stallworth could run him over with his Bentley and kill him, but that's the gamble FOs take every time they sign anyone.

and if the front office feels that his price will continue to rise, then im sure they will try to get a long term contract to him......but they dont have to rush because he still has a year that he is tendered to play under. we can easily wait til next year to sign him when he is officially a free agent

And think about it this way: what do you do for a living?

remember that the NFL isnt like a normal 9 to 5 job tho

Say, for the sake of argument, you get a job as a salesperson with Company X. 3 months later, they come to you and tell you "we want to make you office manager". The first thing that's going to go through your mind is "what's the raise?", but they tell you "no raise, you signed a contract to work in this office. You'll have more work and responsibilities now, but since you signed the contract to work in this office, your pay is the same".

remember that no matter how many "promotions" he gets.....hes still a running back......hes not being asked to play QB or LB.....hes not getting promoted to a completely different job.....hes still a running back and he signed the contract as a running back

And that's basically what happened to PT:
Got hired to be a camp body.
Got promoted to 3rd string - no raise.
Got promoted to 2nd string - no raise.
Got promoted to 1st string - no raise.

did he sign a contract that said he only had to play in camp? no he signed a contract to play in the NFL.....now he is playing in the NFL.....that was the contract

does the company get to pay him less if he does a worse job? no.....contracts very rarely go the other way so i cant blame the front office for not wanting to make big contracts. we have been burned before by that mistake and im sure they dont want to make it again. PT isnt exactly invincible and has shown that he is pretty injury prone.......

So, like PT says, he's building his resume. If he doesn't get his pay raise with this firm, he'll take his talents somewhere else, and it would be a shame to lose his talent.

the NFL is a business......its cliche but its true.....PT needs to do whats best for him in the long run......although new orleans has proven over the past 4 years that they are a little different than the other teams in the NFL

look at what scott fujita did before he left because his heart is in NO.....jeff faine said the same thing about NO......and we even brought back deuce, the most beloved saint of all time, so he could get his ring that he deserved to get a long time ago

Tobias-Reiper · 03-29-2010, 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

....but(dont you hate it when theres a but?)

I...like..big...BUTs and I cannot lie.

03-27-2010, 03:51 PM	#2
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Pierre wants new deal but will not skip work outs.. It is probably that his deal is close to being done and it is a fair deal. I find it strange that no other teams showed interest in PT considering he only got a 2nd round tender.

03-27-2010, 07:12 PM	#3
MatthewT 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 2,729	Re: Pierre wants new deal but will not skip work outs.. Truth is PT knows what the situation is. He is part of a committee backfield. Yes, he does deserve a nice raise, but he is also smart enough not to hold out for it. I am sure if he was the type of player to raise stink and try and hold out, Loomis wouldn't have any issues letting him stay out. The way the Saints offense is structured, there really isn't anyone besides a Brees hold out that would cripple the unit. Brees has the only true leverage on that offense.

03-28-2010, 01:00 AM	#4
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Pierre wants new deal but will not skip work outs.. know ur role, finish your contract the way you've been playing and you'll earn your new contract im not a fan of players signing a contract then wanting more money before it expires its 1 thing if the team wants to pay you more money for your services, the team that gave you an opportunity and carried you to a super bowl, the team that didnt leave you on the bench after your injury in favor of mike bell and reggie bush who were doing quite well without you, the team that was the #1 offense in the league without you but sure, if you feel you deserve more money, then ***** and moan about not getting paid but remember that when you get hurt or underperform and that team throws you to the curb cuz you cant live up to that contract(charles grant) that you better not have any hard feelings
	"deal with it or you can go play the saints and get trounced by 30 and you won't have to worry about it."-colin cowherd

03-28-2010, 03:47 AM	#5
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	Re: Pierre wants new deal but will not skip work outs.. Originally Posted by CantonLegend know ur role, finish your contract the way you've been playing and you'll earn your new contract im not a fan of players signing a contract then wanting more money before it expires its 1 thing if the team wants to pay you more money for your services, the team that gave you an opportunity and carried you to a super bowl, the team that didnt leave you on the bench after your injury in favor of mike bell and reggie bush who were doing quite well without you, the team that was the #1 offense in the league without you but sure, if you feel you deserve more money, then ***** and moan about not getting paid but remember that when you get hurt or underperform and that team throws you to the curb cuz you cant live up to that contract(charles grant) that you better not have any hard feelings I agree with you, too. You get one of those "oh well, I tried to give REPS but wouldn't let me."
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03-28-2010, 11:09 AM	#6
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Pierre wants new deal but will not skip work outs.. Originally Posted by CantonLegend know ur role, finish your contract the way you've been playing and you'll earn your new contract im not a fan of players signing a contract then wanting more money before it expires its 1 thing if the team wants to pay you more money for your services, the team that gave you an opportunity and carried you to a super bowl, the team that didnt leave you on the bench after your injury in favor of mike bell and reggie bush who were doing quite well without you, the team that was the #1 offense in the league without you but sure, if you feel you deserve more money, then ***** and moan about not getting paid but remember that when you get hurt or underperform and that team throws you to the curb cuz you cant live up to that contract(charles grant) that you better not have any hard feelings Normally I agree with this approach, and if a player is already making millions I think that matters, but these guys don't generally have a lot of years to work with in the NFL. I think guys like PT - ones that have performed above and beyond on minimum deals - should be able to renegotiate. The guy could rip his ankle off in a pre-season game and thats it.

03-27-2010, 03:17 PM	#1
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Re: Pierre wants new deal but will not skip work outs.. P.T stands for Professional Tailback...

03-28-2010, 01:45 PM	#7
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Re: Pierre wants new deal but will not skip work outs.. Originally Posted by CantonLegend know ur role, finish your contract the way you've been playing and you'll earn your new contract im not a fan of players signing a contract then wanting more money before it expires its 1 thing if the team wants to pay you more money for your services, the team that gave you an opportunity and carried you to a super bowl, the team that didnt leave you on the bench after your injury in favor of mike bell and reggie bush who were doing quite well without you, the team that was the #1 offense in the league without you but sure, if you feel you deserve more money, then ***** and moan about not getting paid but remember that when you get hurt or underperform and that team throws you to the curb cuz you cant live up to that contract(charles grant) that you better not have any hard feelings Hold on a sec, there. I'm not a lawyer, but at its most basic, a contract is merely the "rules of engagement" between 2 or more parties. When a contract is signed, it is understood that the parties involved have agreed to the rules , and that all parties are going to draw some benefit from this arrangement which they all perceive as "fair" or "satisfactory". You said the Saints gave Thomas an opportunity, yes they did, but they didn't give him this opportunity out of the goodness of their hearts. The FO signed Thomas like they sign many rookie players not drafted prior to the pre-season:to see "what happens", and it just happened that PT did a better job than the player the Saints drafted as RB in the 4th round. Now we have a situation where PT is certainly more valuable than an undrafted rookie signed as a camp body to see "what happens", and is doing much more than an undrafted rookie signed as a camp body. So, while the contract he agreed to sign still stands, and the FO has no obligation to re-work until it ends, the question now is, given PTs performance the past 2 years, how valuable is Thomas to this team the next 4 seasons? If the FO thinks he's valuable, the FO is going to not just agree to, but want to re-write the contract to ensure PT's services in the long haul, and make sure his price doesn't actually go up if he keeps playing better. Of course, he could get hurt, he could play worse, Donte' Stallworth could run him over with his Bentley and kill him, but that's the gamble FOs take every time they sign anyone. And think about it this way: what do you do for a living? Say, for the sake of argument, you get a job as a salesperson with Company X. 3 months later, they come to you and tell you "we want to make you office manager". The first thing that's going to go through your mind is "what's the raise?", but they tell you "no raise, you signed a contract to work in this office. You'll have more work and responsibilities now, but since you signed the contract to work in this office, your pay is the same". Then a few months later, they come back to you and tell you "hey, based on your performance, we want to make you regional sales manager". Again, the first that would go through your mind is "what's the raise?" Yet again, the higher-ups tell you since you agreed to work at this office in your original contract for a certain amount, you get no pay raise. At that time, I am sure you'll be preparing a resume to go somewhere else. And that's basically what happened to PT: Got hired to be a camp body. Got promoted to 3rd string - no raise. Got promoted to 2nd string - no raise. Got promoted to 1st string - no raise. So, like PT says, he's building his resume. If he doesn't get his pay raise with this firm, he'll take his talents somewhere else, and it would be a shame to lose his talent.
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03-28-2010, 02:50 PM	#8
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,496 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Pierre wants new deal but will not skip work outs.. Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper Hold on a sec, there. I'm not a lawyer, but at its most basic, a contract is merely the "rules of engagement" between 2 or more parties. When a contract is signed, it is understood that the parties involved have agreed to the rules , and that all parties are going to draw some benefit from this arrangement which they all perceive as "fair" or "satisfactory". You said the Saints gave Thomas an opportunity, yes they did, but they didn't give him this opportunity out of the goodness of their hearts. The FO signed Thomas like they sign many rookie players not drafted prior to the pre-season:to see "what happens", and it just happened that PT did a better job than the player the Saints drafted as RB in the 4th round. Now we have a situation where PT is certainly more valuable than an undrafted rookie signed as a camp body to see "what happens", and is doing much more than an undrafted rookie signed as a camp body. So, while the contract he agreed to sign still stands, and the FO has no obligation to re-work until it ends, the question now is, given PTs performance the past 2 years, how valuable is Thomas to this team the next 4 seasons? If the FO thinks he's valuable, the FO is going to not just agree to, but want to re-write the contract to ensure PT's services in the long haul, and make sure his price doesn't actually go up if he keeps playing better. Of course, he could get hurt, he could play worse, Donte' Stallworth could run him over with his Bentley and kill him, but that's the gamble FOs take every time they sign anyone. And think about it this way: what do you do for a living? Say, for the sake of argument, you get a job as a salesperson with Company X. 3 months later, they come to you and tell you "we want to make you office manager". The first thing that's going to go through your mind is "what's the raise?", but they tell you "no raise, you signed a contract to work in this office. You'll have more work and responsibilities now, but since you signed the contract to work in this office, your pay is the same". Then a few months later, they come back to you and tell you "hey, based on your performance, we want to make you regional sales manager". Again, the first that would go through your mind is "what's the raise?" Yet again, the higher-ups tell you since you agreed to work at this office in your original contract for a certain amount, you get no pay raise. At that time, I am sure you'll be preparing a resume to go somewhere else. And that's basically what happened to PT: Got hired to be a camp body. Got promoted to 3rd string - no raise. Got promoted to 2nd string - no raise. Got promoted to 1st string - no raise. So, like PT says, he's building his resume. If he doesn't get his pay raise with this firm, he'll take his talents somewhere else, and it would be a shame to lose his talent. I agree with your logic TR but most definitely agree with the Stallworth comment.

03-28-2010, 08:07 PM	#9
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Pierre wants new deal but will not skip work outs.. first off id like to say that this is a very unique look at it and im not totally against it.....but(dont you hate it when theres a but?) Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper You said the Saints gave Thomas an opportunity, yes they did, but they didn't give him this opportunity out of the goodness of their hearts. The FO signed Thomas like they sign many rookie players not drafted prior to the pre-season:to see "what happens", and it just happened that PT did a better job than the player the Saints drafted as RB in the 4th round. but there were 2 parties that signed it, just like you said.....PT signed the same "see what happens" contract and promised to play at the top of his ability by signing that contract. he has proven that he goes hard nearly every play....and he has earned that initial contract by doing so Now we have a situation where PT is certainly more valuable than an undrafted rookie signed as a camp body to see "what happens", i feel PJ Hill, lynell hamilton, and herb donaldson are very talented young kids the question now is, given PTs performance the past 2 years, how valuable is Thomas to this team the next 4 seasons? If the FO thinks he's valuable, the FO is going to not just agree to, but want to re-write the contract to ensure PT's services in the long haul, and make sure his price doesn't actually go up if he keeps playing better. Of course, he could get hurt, he could play worse, Donte' Stallworth could run him over with his Bentley and kill him, but that's the gamble FOs take every time they sign anyone. and if the front office feels that his price will continue to rise, then im sure they will try to get a long term contract to him......but they dont have to rush because he still has a year that he is tendered to play under. we can easily wait til next year to sign him when he is officially a free agent And think about it this way: what do you do for a living? remember that the NFL isnt like a normal 9 to 5 job tho Say, for the sake of argument, you get a job as a salesperson with Company X. 3 months later, they come to you and tell you "we want to make you office manager". The first thing that's going to go through your mind is "what's the raise?", but they tell you "no raise, you signed a contract to work in this office. You'll have more work and responsibilities now, but since you signed the contract to work in this office, your pay is the same". remember that no matter how many "promotions" he gets.....hes still a running back......hes not being asked to play QB or LB.....hes not getting promoted to a completely different job.....hes still a running back and he signed the contract as a running back And that's basically what happened to PT: Got hired to be a camp body. Got promoted to 3rd string - no raise. Got promoted to 2nd string - no raise. Got promoted to 1st string - no raise. did he sign a contract that said he only had to play in camp? no he signed a contract to play in the NFL.....now he is playing in the NFL.....that was the contract does the company get to pay him less if he does a worse job? no.....contracts very rarely go the other way so i cant blame the front office for not wanting to make big contracts. we have been burned before by that mistake and im sure they dont want to make it again. PT isnt exactly invincible and has shown that he is pretty injury prone....... So, like PT says, he's building his resume. If he doesn't get his pay raise with this firm, he'll take his talents somewhere else, and it would be a shame to lose his talent. the NFL is a business......its cliche but its true.....PT needs to do whats best for him in the long run......although new orleans has proven over the past 4 years that they are a little different than the other teams in the NFL look at what scott fujita did before he left because his heart is in NO.....jeff faine said the same thing about NO......and we even brought back deuce, the most beloved saint of all time, so he could get his ring that he deserved to get a long time ago
	"deal with it or you can go play the saints and get trounced by 30 and you won't have to worry about it."-colin cowherd

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