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Speedy Ron 04-07-2010 04:00 PM

Is there a possibility of trading Brown for Haynesworth?
 
I know alot of people are against getting rid of Brown, but to lose Brown for Haynesworth would easily give us a top 10 D...at least on paper. his contract is supposedly worth the same as what Charles Grant's was worth. I for one wish this trade would happen. our D line would be pretty damn good. then the possibility of drafting Witherspoon or another defensive player. Our D would have a whole new attitude.:twisted:

Smith-End
Ellis- DT
Hargrove-DT/ End
Haynesworth-DT
Brown- End
McCray- End
Charleston- End

Speedy Ron 04-07-2010 04:00 PM

Re: Is there a possibility of trading Brown for Haynesworth?
 
that would give us 3 possible pro bowlers on our D line and we know how good our O line already is. we would definetly win the battle in the trenches

strato 04-07-2010 04:01 PM

Re: Is there a possibility of trading Brown for Haynesworth?
 
I got you excited....lol...ive thought about this to..

CantonLegend 04-07-2010 04:05 PM

Re: Is there a possibility of trading Brown for Haynesworth?
 
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Originally Posted by Speedy Ron (Post 216943)
we would definetly win the battle in the trenches

not on offense

you dont trade pro bowl LTs in their prime......for anybody

this would be a foolish trade

especially for all the cry babies about getting a true NT....why would we get rid of a pro bowl LT for a NT that fits best in a 3-4

and why would we trade for a player who did exactly what all you guys complain about all the time....signed his contract and stopped playing

voodooido 04-07-2010 04:08 PM

Re: Is there a possibility of trading Brown for Haynesworth?
 
For once I agree with Canton. Albert is on the down swing and just signed a 100 millon dollar contract.

stockman311 04-07-2010 04:09 PM

Re: Is there a possibility of trading Brown for Haynesworth?
 
No Chance

CantonLegend 04-07-2010 04:09 PM

Re: Is there a possibility of trading Brown for Haynesworth?
 
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Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 216952)
For once I agree with Canton. Albert is on the down swing and just signed a 100 millon dollar contract.

it feels good doesnt it

you should do it more often.....more often than not you'll be right just by association

strato 04-07-2010 04:11 PM

Re: Is there a possibility of trading Brown for Haynesworth?
 
Yeah we can get by without him....But we do need a solid big boy in the middle...lol

CantonLegend 04-07-2010 04:15 PM

Re: Is there a possibility of trading Brown for Haynesworth?
 
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Originally Posted by strato (Post 216957)
Yeah we can get by without him....But we do need a solid big boy in the middle...lol

**cough cough***

strato 04-07-2010 04:16 PM

Re: Is there a possibility of trading Brown for Haynesworth?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 216959)
**cough cough***

LOL..You know what i mean

skymike 04-07-2010 04:39 PM

Re: Is there a possibility of trading Brown for Haynesworth?
 
uh uh. no thanks. As already stated, by our Astute Observer Canton, that makes no sense to pick up a big money/small return guy, if you believe what Skins fans & media are saying about Haynesworth.

I dont really want to lose Jammal, and besides, I cant put my finger on it, but I just dont like Haynesworth. I read a dill about him a while back, and he just seemed like he didnt care. Its not nice to step on people's head.

If we're going to have someone a bit suspect, I would have preferred to keep Grant. I like Grant-- he's kind of a goofball.

strato 04-07-2010 04:54 PM

Re: Is there a possibility of trading Brown for Haynesworth?
 
Espn is reporting the foreskins will not trade A.H...and that we signed Brown...sweet!!

st thomas 04-07-2010 05:03 PM

Re: Is there a possibility of trading Brown for Haynesworth?
 
albert has been hampered with jet lag the past few years, to many teams to many money, to many problems for me. let him go to the grave yard, the raiders

SmashMouth 04-07-2010 05:30 PM

Re: Is there a possibility of trading Brown for Haynesworth?
 
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Originally Posted by strato (Post 216995)
Espn is reporting the foreskins will not trade A.H...and that we signed Brown...sweet!!

Well ...they tried to trade him during the McNabb deal.... and also failed! Nobody wants that overly fat contract.

QBREES9 04-07-2010 05:32 PM

Re: Is there a possibility of trading Brown for Haynesworth?
 
I don't think so now !!!

MatthewT 04-07-2010 06:00 PM

Re: Is there a possibility of trading Brown for Haynesworth?
 
Naw, he can still play but that contract is just too fat. The Saints just wiggled out of a bad contract with Grant, no sense in trading for another bad contract.

Speedy Ron 04-07-2010 08:51 PM

Re: Is there a possibility of trading Brown for Haynesworth?
 
his contract isnt that bad. he will make per year the same as charles grant believe it or not. we just won the superbowl without brown so how could you miss him that much. Bushrod had maybe 2 bad games...brown has the same amount of bad games per year.bushrod is also cheaper, younger, and less injury prone. getting haynesworth would give us one of the best def lines in the league. The only person we couldnt live without is Brees.

SaintPauly 04-07-2010 08:58 PM

Re: Is there a possibility of trading Brown for Haynesworth?
 
Yeah, but do you remember WHY we needed Bushrod? Because Brown was hurt. I prefer depth at O-line, than a huge contract DT, that looked like crap his first year in Washington. Brees is our bread and butter, and he needs protection, more than we need Haynesworth. This team goes, as far as Brees takes us. Besides we could draft Cody in the first round, and get what I believe will be a better DT than Haynes "not worth" the risk.

strato 04-07-2010 09:04 PM

Re: Is there a possibility of trading Brown for Haynesworth?
 
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Originally Posted by saintpaul25 (Post 217088)
Yeah, but do you remember WHY we needed Bushrod? Because Brown was hurt. I prefer depth at O-line, than a huge contract DT, that looked like crap his first year in Washington. Brees is our bread and butter, and he needs protection, more than we need Haynesworth. This team goes, as far as Brees takes us. Besides we could draft Cody in the first round, and get what I believe will be a better DT than Haynes "not worth" the risk.

I agree...but Cody still scares me...but its looking like a possibilty..

SaintPauly 04-07-2010 09:07 PM

Re: Is there a possibility of trading Brown for Haynesworth?
 
Cody is a game changer bro. I remember him blocking that field goal against Arkansas I believe. Won the game. Might have been another team.

That guy stuffed the middle like nobody's business. I believe him to be the catalyst in holding Florida to minimal rushing yards in the title game. And that's coming from a die hard Ole Miss fan. We don't much care for Bama, in Rebel country....

strato 04-07-2010 09:11 PM

Re: Is there a possibility of trading Brown for Haynesworth?
 
I know he was but what will happen when he gets the money?...I have Sully flashbacks....but i could live with it and let him prove me wrong...

SaintPauly 04-07-2010 09:17 PM

Re: Is there a possibility of trading Brown for Haynesworth?
 
Think about it bro, he's going to have alot to prove either way. He dropped from what, a top ten pick? To a potential second rounder? He will be angry, and mean, and already huge! I say take him, so he can show the all the other teams how stupid they were to let him pass. Him dropping could turn out to be the best thing for his career.

strato 04-07-2010 09:19 PM

Re: Is there a possibility of trading Brown for Haynesworth?
 
Ok you talked me into it...You hear that Canton...lol...i really want Hughes..

st thomas 04-07-2010 10:04 PM

Re: Is there a possibility of trading Brown for Haynesworth?
 
i'm afraid every team is scared of mt. cody's 9 month abs, there's a real chance of him going to camp so over weight and they have to fine him every day he's over. then that's when he gets pissed and discouraged. then he loses his heart and he's a sully

SaintPauly 04-07-2010 10:11 PM

Re: Is there a possibility of trading Brown for Haynesworth?
 
Yeah, but Cody has ALWAYS played large. Thus the name Mount. If he was too small, I doubt he would be as effective. This is his payday guys, he will lose the weight, and he will be in shape when he gets to camp. I just have a feeling about him.

CantonLegend 04-08-2010 12:04 AM

Re: Is there a possibility of trading Brown for Haynesworth?
 
saints fans are worried about cody because of 1 reason

his name is jonathan sullivan

i'll let you guys in on a little secret tho

THEY ARE 2 DIFFERENT PLAYERS

did sully try to lose the weight? hell no. but cody is at least trying to do what he can to make other people happy. he can play at whatever weight he shows up at and he proved that in college

he even had a solid game in the senior bowl at 370.....now he is below 350 and you guys still question his work ethic or weight? give me a ****ing break

GeauxBobert 04-08-2010 06:35 AM

Re: Is there a possibility of trading Brown for Haynesworth?
 
The Redskins have paid off most of Albert's contract so that at this point the value is only $16 million over 3 years with $9 million guaranteed. Getting rid of Brown may seem like a bad move, but Albert was the consensus #1 defensive tackle in 08 and had a pretty good season last year. He'd automatically give New Orleans the best D-line in the division and be very helpful in the playoffs against teams like Minnesota.

The Saints could always bring in someone like Flozel Adams to add depth at tackle with Brown's departure, but adding a top 3 Defensive tackle is an opportunity that shouldn't be passed up.

CantonLegend 04-08-2010 10:08 AM

Re: Is there a possibility of trading Brown for Haynesworth?
 
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Originally Posted by GeauxBobert (Post 217144)
The Redskins have paid off most of Albert's contract so that at this point the value is only $16 million over 3 years with $9 million guaranteed. Getting rid of Brown may seem like a bad move, but Albert was the consensus #1 defensive tackle in 08 and had a pretty good season last year. He'd automatically give New Orleans the best D-line in the division and be very helpful in the playoffs against teams like Minnesota.

The Saints could always bring in someone like Flozel Adams to add depth at tackle with Brown's departure, but adding a top 3 Defensive tackle is an opportunity that shouldn't be passed up.

actually haynesworth had a pretty terrible year for a guy who signed a $100 million contract......he had only 3 more tackles than sedrick ellis and played 2 more games

and flozel adams.....he is not a good LT......a top 3 DT is not worth a trade for our top 10 LT

a DT has an impact on maybe 1 or 2 plays every 4 downs

a LT has an impact on every offensive play

Speedy Ron 04-08-2010 03:30 PM

Re: Is there a possibility of trading Brown for Haynesworth?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 217171)
actually haynesworth had a pretty terrible year for a guy who signed a $100 million contract......he had only 3 more tackles than sedrick ellis and played 2 more games

this is one of the worst statements ive heard in a while. who cares how much he signed a contract for. bottom line...he is the best DT in the league. Brown is often injured. what good is a pro bowl OT if he cant get on the field. again...we won the superbowl with Bushrod while brown was on IR. our weakness is obvioulsy our Def. im not sure what saints games you were watching but bushrod is easily a starter. Sure he got beat by two or three guys all year long but i can promise that brown has gotten beat the same amount of times per year. every move bushrod made was magnified because of the fact that he was a 2nd stringer. Get Brown and his lingering knee/groin problems outta here and give me the best DT in the league.

CantonLegend 04-08-2010 03:43 PM

Re: Is there a possibility of trading Brown for Haynesworth?
 
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Originally Posted by Speedy Ron (Post 217251)
this is one of the worst statements ive heard in a while. who cares how much he signed a contract for.

the FO....and the rest of the league.....he is an expensive player and he only played 12 games last season.....not to mention those 12 games he played, he played only a handful of snaps every series

im all for big talented DTs but not for that much money

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again...we won the superbowl with Bushrod while brown was on IR.
that doesnt mean jack because bushrod wasnt the reason we won...in fact, he hindered our offense by just having him on the field

if it hurts to have a player on the field then he is not worthy of starting....look at jason david.....just because we won the super bowl without brown does not mean we are a better team without brown

if you believe that we are better without brown then there is no sense in arguing this point anyway

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our weakness is obvioulsy our Def. im not sure what saints games you were watching but bushrod is easily a starter. Sure he got beat by two or three guys all year long but i can promise that brown has gotten beat the same amount of times per year. every move bushrod made was magnified because of the fact that he was a 2nd stringer. Get Brown and his lingering knee/groin problems outta here and give me the best DT in the league.
you say 2 or 3 guys......i say every game

i know i watched all but 4 games this season....and i know nearly every snap i had my eyes glued to the offensive line......where were your googly eyes fixed on?

id bet money you were watching the ball......eh?

Speedy Ron 04-08-2010 04:02 PM

Re: Is there a possibility of trading Brown for Haynesworth?
 
1st off you didnt even see every game last year and your spouting off stats- this alone should discredit your argument
2ndly- bushrod was not the reason we won and i dont think there has ever been a superbowl or even a regular game at any level ever won my an OT.
3rdly- there is no point in talking to you if you dont think we would be a better team with haynesworth starting on the Dline. "he played 12 games last year"...so what!...the core players on our D were injured for at least 4 games.


Please tell me how the #1 offense in the league suffered from using bushrod. the man shut down some of the best DE in the league and gave up only 1 sack in the playoffs and superbowl to the D lines in the league

Rugby Saint II 04-08-2010 05:11 PM

Re: Is there a possibility of trading Brown for Haynesworth?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 216959)
**cough cough***

Put the crack pipe down................at least until you catch your breath. lol ;)

Boutte 04-08-2010 10:59 PM

Re: Is there a possibility of trading Brown for Haynesworth?
 
I'd just hate to see the guy come here. I know he's good but he's the TO of defensive linemen. Big name, big ego, questionable character. Find somebody else.

SaintPauly 04-08-2010 10:59 PM

Re: Is there a possibility of trading Brown for Haynesworth?
 
I think the point to be made here is, that the Saints are an offensive team first. And you don't get better by subtracting a pro bowl OT. Let's say we made that trade, and Brown was gone, giving Bushrod the start. What do we do if he goes down for the season? You said bring in Flozell. Let's compare the ages of Adams, and Brown. That's NOT a good idea.

We have enough picks in the upcoming draft, to get a DT, that will complement Ellis, Smith, Brown, and McCray, without trading anyone.

strato 04-08-2010 11:34 PM

Re: Is there a possibility of trading Brown for Haynesworth?
 
He he tempers..if Haynesworth were to come via a trade for Brown ..everyone of you would be jumping for joy and saying repeat...lol...dont lie..he is this and that till he becomes a Saint then he's the best thing since sliced boudin...I dont want to lose brown either..but we did win the superbowl with Bushrod...and our D needs improving more than our Offense..Right?...carry on

SaintPauly 04-08-2010 11:37 PM

Re: Is there a possibility of trading Brown for Haynesworth?
 
Then trade Bushrod for him.... We could throw in a WR....

strato 04-08-2010 11:48 PM

Re: Is there a possibility of trading Brown for Haynesworth?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by saintpaul25 (Post 217357)
Then trade Bushrod for him.... We could throw in a WR....

Hey i could handle that to...but you have to remember Brown has bad knees..so i would dump him before i gave up to players..that can start.

CantonLegend 04-09-2010 01:42 AM

Re: Is there a possibility of trading Brown for Haynesworth?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Speedy Ron (Post 217254)
1st off you didnt even see every game last year and your spouting off stats- this alone should discredit your argument

yea.....my bad about having a tiny life outside of the saints

but if you must know....i did end up seeing all of the games on NFL replay because the ones i missed were the redskins, dolphins, giants, and i cant remember the other one but they were all replayed on NFL replay

i just think its funny when people say "you must not have watched the games" or "what games were you watching"

obviously we all watched the games......the same ones

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2ndly- bushrod was not the reason we won and i dont think there has ever been a superbowl or even a regular game at any level ever won my an OT.
so why is the only argument anybody ever uses in support of bushrod the one that we won the super bowl with him? if he didnt win it for us then why does it matter? is it because we didnt have brown? guess what......the giants thought they were better without shockey too but that was BS

you dont get better without your best player and bushrod was NOT servicable....hes a fine backup with starting experience now....but nothing more

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3rdly- there is no point in talking to you if you dont think we would be a better team with haynesworth starting on the Dline. "he played 12 games last year"...so what!...the core players on our D were injured for at least 4 games.
first off.....i didnt say we wouldnt be better with haynesworth

secondly....nobody is forcing you to talk to me


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Please tell me how the #1 offense in the league suffered from using bushrod. the man shut down some of the best DE in the league and gave up only 1 sack in the playoffs and superbowl to the D lines in the league
NFL Videos: Cowboys fumble recovery

NFL Videos: Ware sacks Brees to seal game

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CantonLegend 04-09-2010 01:46 AM

Re: Is there a possibility of trading Brown for Haynesworth?
 
now i could only find a handful of highlights after clicking on only 3 games but im sure you get the idea

if i wanted to find more....do you think i would have trouble?

why is there only highlights of defensive players beating up bushrod and not the rest of our line?

i would show you more videos of bushrod screwing up but since his guy didnt make the play it really doesnt matter if he screwed up or not......click on just about any highlight video of any game and you will see bushrod screw up......and thats just in 5 minute clips....imagine how it projected out the rest of the game

i know you think bushrod did well but he didnt and anytime somebody says he did, shows me how many people actually pay attention to the positions in question

strato 04-09-2010 01:48 AM

Re: Is there a possibility of trading Brown for Haynesworth?
 
Bushrod was not that bad...he got us thru...we won the superbowl...I dont think J.Browns knees will hold up..i hope im wrong..


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