Possible Darren Sharper suitors

HintOfLogic · 04-08-2010, 11:44 PM

Originally Posted by VillainAgain

simple he wants more then fair market so until he becomes sober from all that partying he'll sign for a fair deal,again we are no longer the desperate saints anymore so he should be honored that we want him back

What is "Fair Market Value" for a future HOF'er coming off of his best and Super Bowl capped season?

Put yourself in the Saints position, you're about to pay a hit or miss, sparingly used "decoy" 8 million for one year. How do you gauge what Sharper is worth in comparison to what Reggie Bush is getting paid? How do you compare them in regards to how pivotal they are at their position? How do you gauge them on the importance of their role played during the last season? Lots of questions..... I'm curious, you seem to have this all figured out. Is Sharper coming back at about 1/4th of what Reggie's set to get paid worth it? Why does everyone get so conservative and concerned when talking about getting Sharper paid, but no harping on Bush's ridiculous payday? ... seriously?

did you actually say, "so he should be honored that we want him back"?

mikesaintfan · 04-09-2010, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by HintOfLogic

What is "Fair Market Value" for a future HOF'er coming off of his best and Super Bowl capped season?

Put yourself in the Saints position, you're about to pay a hit or miss, sparingly used "decoy" 8 million for one year. How do you gauge what Sharper is worth in comparison to what Reggie Bush is getting paid? How do you compare them in regards to how pivotal they are at their position? How do you gauge them on the importance of their role played during the last season? Lots of questions..... I'm curious, you seem to have this all figured out. Is Sharper coming back at about 1/4th of what Reggie's set to get paid worth it? Why does everyone get so conservative and concerned when talking about getting Sharper paid, but no harping on Bush's ridiculous payday? ... seriously?

did you actually say, "so he should be honored that we want him back"?

why does Bush enter into every thread...Bush is Bush and Sharper is Sharper..both valuable pieces to our superbowl puzzel but not the same situation..What we as fans think and what Bush makes next year have no influence on signing Sharper

ScottF · 04-09-2010, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by mikesaintfan

why does Bush enter into every thread...Bush is Bush and Sharper is Sharper..both valuable pieces to our superbowl puzzel but not the same situation..What we as fans think and what Bush makes next year have no influence on signing Sharper

Well said.

this guy is bringing Bush-hate into a conversation about signing a guy that we all want back, but at a market price

breesfan27 · 04-09-2010, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by mikesaintfan

why does Bush enter into every thread...Bush is Bush and Sharper is Sharper..both valuable pieces to our superbowl puzzel but not the same situation..What we as fans think and what Bush makes next year have no influence on signing Sharper

I was kind of wondering that myself.

Reggie Bush has nothing to do with Sharper and vice versa. Can we please stay on topic for once!

saintfan · 04-09-2010, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by breesfan27

Can we please stay on topic for once!

I like Ice Cream. LOL

Agreed on the Bush hate. Sharper is nearing the end, so he wants as much as he can get. I don't blame him for that. The Saints are being cautious with their money. I don't blame them either. And I fully expect both sides to get this done soon after the draft.

VillainAgain · 04-09-2010, 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by HintOfLogic

What is "Fair Market Value" for a future HOF'er coming off of his best and Super Bowl capped season?

Put yourself in the Saints position, you're about to pay a hit or miss, sparingly used "decoy" 8 million for one year. How do you gauge what Sharper is worth in comparison to what Reggie Bush is getting paid? How do you compare them in regards to how pivotal they are at their position? How do you gauge them on the importance of their role played during the last season? Lots of questions..... I'm curious, you seem to have this all figured out. Is Sharper coming back at about 1/4th of what Reggie's set to get paid worth it? Why does everyone get so conservative and concerned when talking about getting Sharper paid, but no harping on Bush's ridiculous payday? ... seriously?

did you actually say, "so he should be honored that we want him back"?

a fair market deal is a deal in which a player is paid according to their market value. He wants more then what teams are willing to pay him if it wasnt about money he'd be signed already. The team doesnt owe him anything. A future HOF means that he's had a long career and his best years behind him. you answered your own question. Yes i did say he should be honored because again The Team doesnt Have to sign him, They don't owe him anything he was apart of a super bowl winning TEAM but he didnt single handedly win the game so you sell a cow to save the farm not the other way around, but if you can keep the cow and the farm then you do so at the right price. I understand that your excited that we finally had Great Safety Play in god knows how long but he's older now then he was in 09 (is it safe to say each day you get older) Long term plans now not short term, NO LONGER THE DESPERATE SAINTS! read that 2x

saintsfan601 · 04-08-2010, 04:15 PM

I agree he will be back.Just not for the money he wants.

CheramieIII · 04-09-2010, 07:21 AM

He heeds to just get over the 200K or extra year they didn't offer him and sign. We were the only team to really show an interest in him last year what makes him think a year later he's gonna get anymore love from any other team. Come on Sharper get with the program. I hear alot of this crap it's not for the money it's for the team. WELL SHOW ME SOME TEAM!

Budsdrinker · 04-09-2010, 09:07 AM

Sharper had a great year. But the 9 int he had this year were the same total as the previous 3 years combined. He was declining in Viqueenville and that's why we got him so cheap. He played well when allowed to freelance when Porter and Greer were in but not so well when they were out. Could have been his injury that slowed him also but when Greer and Porter were in he had 7 picks and only 2 when they were out and 1 was against a rookie. 3 million a year for 2 years and throw in a bonus for any picks over 4 and he should sign. But quit comparing his salary to Bush's. Bush is paid on the flawed draft position scale, how do you think the Raiders feel about paying Jamarcus all that money? Until they change the system we have to live with what players are paid whether or not their play justifies their pay. It's just getting old all this talk about what Reggie is making compared to someone else. And Reggie isn't going anywhere especially under his current contract.

SAINT_MICHAEL · 04-09-2010, 11:51 AM

Wow Logic, Bush must have beat you up as a kid for you to hold such a grudge against him. I would think about seeking help for this. I'm not saying his was the best signing in the history of the NFL, but the way you go out of your way to find ways to bash him in threads that have nothing to do with him is odd. You work under the assumption that Bush's contract has an affect on all other aspects of the team...like Sharper in this case. That is your opinion and I for one do not agree with it. By releasing Grant the saints have shown that they are willing to cut ties with players that are not living up to their money. Obviously they feel Bush is. I'll take the opinion of the Super Bowl winning coaching staff and management over yours in the matter.

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HintOfLogic 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 194	Re: Possible Darren Sharper suitors Originally Posted by VillainAgain simple he wants more then fair market so until he becomes sober from all that partying he'll sign for a fair deal,again we are no longer the desperate saints anymore so he should be honored that we want him back What is "Fair Market Value" for a future HOF'er coming off of his best and Super Bowl capped season? Put yourself in the Saints position, you're about to pay a hit or miss, sparingly used "decoy" 8 million for one year. How do you gauge what Sharper is worth in comparison to what Reggie Bush is getting paid? How do you compare them in regards to how pivotal they are at their position? How do you gauge them on the importance of their role played during the last season? Lots of questions..... I'm curious, you seem to have this all figured out. Is Sharper coming back at about 1/4th of what Reggie's set to get paid worth it? Why does everyone get so conservative and concerned when talking about getting Sharper paid, but no harping on Bush's ridiculous payday? ... seriously? did you actually say, "so he should be honored that we want him back"?
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mikesaintfan 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2006 Location: new jersey Posts: 1,070	Re: Possible Darren Sharper suitors Originally Posted by HintOfLogic What is "Fair Market Value" for a future HOF'er coming off of his best and Super Bowl capped season? Put yourself in the Saints position, you're about to pay a hit or miss, sparingly used "decoy" 8 million for one year. How do you gauge what Sharper is worth in comparison to what Reggie Bush is getting paid? How do you compare them in regards to how pivotal they are at their position? How do you gauge them on the importance of their role played during the last season? Lots of questions..... I'm curious, you seem to have this all figured out. Is Sharper coming back at about 1/4th of what Reggie's set to get paid worth it? Why does everyone get so conservative and concerned when talking about getting Sharper paid, but no harping on Bush's ridiculous payday? ... seriously? did you actually say, "so he should be honored that we want him back"? why does Bush enter into every thread...Bush is Bush and Sharper is Sharper..both valuable pieces to our superbowl puzzel but not the same situation..What we as fans think and what Bush makes next year have no influence on signing Sharper

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ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Possible Darren Sharper suitors Originally Posted by mikesaintfan why does Bush enter into every thread...Bush is Bush and Sharper is Sharper..both valuable pieces to our superbowl puzzel but not the same situation..What we as fans think and what Bush makes next year have no influence on signing Sharper Well said. this guy is bringing Bush-hate into a conversation about signing a guy that we all want back, but at a market price

04-09-2010, 12:23 PM	#4
breesfan27 Mrs. Drew Brees Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: The Who Dat Nation (by way of South Dakota) Posts: 2,276 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Possible Darren Sharper suitors Originally Posted by mikesaintfan why does Bush enter into every thread...Bush is Bush and Sharper is Sharper..both valuable pieces to our superbowl puzzel but not the same situation..What we as fans think and what Bush makes next year have no influence on signing Sharper I was kind of wondering that myself. Reggie Bush has nothing to do with Sharper and vice versa. Can we please stay on topic for once!

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saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Possible Darren Sharper suitors Originally Posted by breesfan27 Can we please stay on topic for once! I like Ice Cream. LOL Agreed on the Bush hate. Sharper is nearing the end, so he wants as much as he can get. I don't blame him for that. The Saints are being cautious with their money. I don't blame them either. And I fully expect both sides to get this done soon after the draft.

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VillainAgain 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 273	Re: Possible Darren Sharper suitors Originally Posted by HintOfLogic What is "Fair Market Value" for a future HOF'er coming off of his best and Super Bowl capped season? Put yourself in the Saints position, you're about to pay a hit or miss, sparingly used "decoy" 8 million for one year. How do you gauge what Sharper is worth in comparison to what Reggie Bush is getting paid? How do you compare them in regards to how pivotal they are at their position? How do you gauge them on the importance of their role played during the last season? Lots of questions..... I'm curious, you seem to have this all figured out. Is Sharper coming back at about 1/4th of what Reggie's set to get paid worth it? Why does everyone get so conservative and concerned when talking about getting Sharper paid, but no harping on Bush's ridiculous payday? ... seriously? did you actually say, "so he should be honored that we want him back"? a fair market deal is a deal in which a player is paid according to their market value. He wants more then what teams are willing to pay him if it wasnt about money he'd be signed already. The team doesnt owe him anything. A future HOF means that he's had a long career and his best years behind him. you answered your own question. Yes i did say he should be honored because again The Team doesnt Have to sign him, They don't owe him anything he was apart of a super bowl winning TEAM but he didnt single handedly win the game so you sell a cow to save the farm not the other way around, but if you can keep the cow and the farm then you do so at the right price. I understand that your excited that we finally had Great Safety Play in god knows how long but he's older now then he was in 09 (is it safe to say each day you get older) Long term plans now not short term, NO LONGER THE DESPERATE SAINTS! read that 2x
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04-08-2010, 04:15 PM	#7
saintsfan601 100th Post Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Meridian MS Posts: 259	Re: Possible Darren Sharper suitors I agree he will be back.Just not for the money he wants.

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CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,496 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Possible Darren Sharper suitors He heeds to just get over the 200K or extra year they didn't offer him and sign. We were the only team to really show an interest in him last year what makes him think a year later he's gonna get anymore love from any other team. Come on Sharper get with the program. I hear alot of this crap it's not for the money it's for the team. WELL SHOW ME SOME TEAM!

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Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Possible Darren Sharper suitors Sharper had a great year. But the 9 int he had this year were the same total as the previous 3 years combined. He was declining in Viqueenville and that's why we got him so cheap. He played well when allowed to freelance when Porter and Greer were in but not so well when they were out. Could have been his injury that slowed him also but when Greer and Porter were in he had 7 picks and only 2 when they were out and 1 was against a rookie. 3 million a year for 2 years and throw in a bonus for any picks over 4 and he should sign. But quit comparing his salary to Bush's. Bush is paid on the flawed draft position scale, how do you think the Raiders feel about paying Jamarcus all that money? Until they change the system we have to live with what players are paid whether or not their play justifies their pay. It's just getting old all this talk about what Reggie is making compared to someone else. And Reggie isn't going anywhere especially under his current contract.

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SAINT_MICHAEL 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 446	Re: Possible Darren Sharper suitors Wow Logic, Bush must have beat you up as a kid for you to hold such a grudge against him. I would think about seeking help for this. I'm not saying his was the best signing in the history of the NFL, but the way you go out of your way to find ways to bash him in threads that have nothing to do with him is odd. You work under the assumption that Bush's contract has an affect on all other aspects of the team...like Sharper in this case. That is your opinion and I for one do not agree with it. By releasing Grant the saints have shown that they are willing to cut ties with players that are not living up to their money. Obviously they feel Bush is. I'll take the opinion of the Super Bowl winning coaching staff and management over yours in the matter.
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