Nice Saints Draft History Read (busts)

SAINT_MICHAEL · 04-12-2010, 03:49 PM

Interesting trip down (bad) memory lane. He forgot the Ricky Williams draft however. Every team has a list of players like this to bring up though. I doubt we are any worse than league average in drafting through our history.

strato · 04-12-2010, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL

Interesting trip down (bad) memory lane. He forgot the Ricky Williams draft however. Every team has a list of players like this to bring up though. I doubt we are any worse than league average in drafting through our history.

The Lions and Bengals dome to mind

SAINT_MICHAEL · 04-12-2010, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by strato

The Lions and Bengals dome to mind

Good bet. I'd throw Tampa and the Clowns in that mix as well. They are sure to have a good list of Who nots as well.

poydras · 04-12-2010, 05:37 PM

I think that Erxleben pick was the worst. Back then, in college, they kicked extra points and field goals off a tee and there was no way to know if you could kick without one. To use a 1st round pick for a punter is typical Saints. Come to think of it, I guess the punter on those teams was pretty important. He touched the ball on one of every four offensive snaps.

Saint_LB · 04-13-2010, 05:05 AM

Originally Posted by poydras

I think that Erxleben pick was the worst. Back then, in college, they kicked extra points and field goals off a tee and there was no way to know if you could kick without one.

There is no doubt that he was the worst pick...ever...for any team.

It is a very astute observation, Poydras, regarding kicking off a tee. It makes a giant difference...especially for guys like Erxleben who was one of a dying breed of straight-on kickers. I was a straight-on kicker, and it was almost impossible to make the transition to kicking off the ground, as my heel would drag on the turf. I also tied my ankle up...and I believe that was illegal as well. No foreign matter other than your shoe could hit the ball. In my case it would have been the shoestring tying my ankle up crossing the front of my shoe as it went underneath and wrapped around the cleat in front.

I was not aware that they could not use tees for place-kicks in college any more. Are you sure about that?

poydras · 04-13-2010, 07:19 AM

Originally Posted by Saint_LB

I was not aware that they could not use tees for place-kicks in college any more. Are you sure about that?

Only on the kickoff like in the NFL. The problem is that they still use a tee in high school; at least they do here in Mississippi.

falconhater · 04-13-2010, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by poydras

Only on the kickoff like in the NFL. The problem is that they still use a tee in high school; at least they do here in Mississippi.

We use tees here in Louisiana for All Place kicks as well!!! I coach a kid who can hit from 50 yards off the tee ( and I have game film of him doing it)but has an outside range of 38 off the ground!!! Go Figure!

poydras · 04-13-2010, 08:51 AM

Originally Posted by falconhater

We use tees here in Louisiana for All Place kicks as well!!! I coach a kid who can hit from 50 yards off the tee ( and I have game film of him doing it)but has an outside range of 38 off the ground!!! Go Figure!

It's probably because of the quality of the fields in high school. The school I was associated with had a natural grass surface with poor drainage that was also used for soccer and resembled a battlefield by mid-season. Even really good soccer players couldn't get a place kick airborne when the ball settled an inch into the mud. Now that a lot of our big schools are going to synthetic turf, I see Mississippi discarding the tee soon.

falconhater · 04-13-2010, 09:01 AM

Originally Posted by poydras

It's probably because of the quality of the fields in high school. The school I was associated with had a natural grass surface with poor drainage that was also used for soccer and resembled a battlefield by mid-season. Even really good soccer players couldn't get a place kick airborne when the ball settled an inch into the mud. Now that a lot of our big schools are going to synthetic turf, I see Mississippi discarding the tee soon.

Yea our field is used by 2 seperate 5A High schools and never gets a break!!! Ther is a game there every week and if we both have home games which happened twice last year one is played on Thursday the Friday game is in trouble. Gets comical (in a sad way).
By mid season you need a magnyfying glass to find grass on the field.

04-12-2010, 03:49 PM	#1
SAINT_MICHAEL 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 446	Re: Nice Saints Draft History Read (busts) Interesting trip down (bad) memory lane. He forgot the Ricky Williams draft however. Every team has a list of players like this to bring up though. I doubt we are any worse than league average in drafting through our history.
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strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Re: Nice Saints Draft History Read (busts) Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL Interesting trip down (bad) memory lane. He forgot the Ricky Williams draft however. Every team has a list of players like this to bring up though. I doubt we are any worse than league average in drafting through our history. The Lions and Bengals dome to mind

04-12-2010, 03:55 PM	#3
SAINT_MICHAEL 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 446	Re: Nice Saints Draft History Read (busts) Originally Posted by strato The Lions and Bengals dome to mind Good bet. I'd throw Tampa and the Clowns in that mix as well. They are sure to have a good list of Who nots as well.
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04-12-2010, 05:37 PM	#4
poydras Team Doctor Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Deep South Posts: 856	Re: Nice Saints Draft History Read (busts) I think that Erxleben pick was the worst. Back then, in college, they kicked extra points and field goals off a tee and there was no way to know if you could kick without one. To use a 1st round pick for a punter is typical Saints. Come to think of it, I guess the punter on those teams was pretty important. He touched the ball on one of every four offensive snaps.

04-13-2010, 05:05 AM	#5
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	Re: Nice Saints Draft History Read (busts) Originally Posted by poydras I think that Erxleben pick was the worst. Back then, in college, they kicked extra points and field goals off a tee and there was no way to know if you could kick without one. There is no doubt that he was the worst pick...ever...for any team. It is a very astute observation, Poydras, regarding kicking off a tee. It makes a giant difference...especially for guys like Erxleben who was one of a dying breed of straight-on kickers. I was a straight-on kicker, and it was almost impossible to make the transition to kicking off the ground, as my heel would drag on the turf. I also tied my ankle up...and I believe that was illegal as well. No foreign matter other than your shoe could hit the ball. In my case it would have been the shoestring tying my ankle up crossing the front of my shoe as it went underneath and wrapped around the cleat in front. I was not aware that they could not use tees for place-kicks in college any more. Are you sure about that?
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04-13-2010, 07:19 AM	#6
poydras Team Doctor Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Deep South Posts: 856	Re: Nice Saints Draft History Read (busts) Originally Posted by Saint_LB I was not aware that they could not use tees for place-kicks in college any more. Are you sure about that? Only on the kickoff like in the NFL. The problem is that they still use a tee in high school; at least they do here in Mississippi.

04-13-2010, 07:52 AM	#7
falconhater 100th Post Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 257	Re: Nice Saints Draft History Read (busts) Originally Posted by poydras Only on the kickoff like in the NFL. The problem is that they still use a tee in high school; at least they do here in Mississippi. We use tees here in Louisiana for All Place kicks as well!!! I coach a kid who can hit from 50 yards off the tee ( and I have game film of him doing it)but has an outside range of 38 off the ground!!! Go Figure!
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04-13-2010, 08:51 AM	#8
poydras Team Doctor Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Deep South Posts: 856	Re: Nice Saints Draft History Read (busts) Originally Posted by falconhater We use tees here in Louisiana for All Place kicks as well!!! I coach a kid who can hit from 50 yards off the tee ( and I have game film of him doing it)but has an outside range of 38 off the ground!!! Go Figure! It's probably because of the quality of the fields in high school. The school I was associated with had a natural grass surface with poor drainage that was also used for soccer and resembled a battlefield by mid-season. Even really good soccer players couldn't get a place kick airborne when the ball settled an inch into the mud. Now that a lot of our big schools are going to synthetic turf, I see Mississippi discarding the tee soon.

04-13-2010, 09:01 AM	#9
falconhater 100th Post Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 257	Re: Nice Saints Draft History Read (busts) Originally Posted by poydras It's probably because of the quality of the fields in high school. The school I was associated with had a natural grass surface with poor drainage that was also used for soccer and resembled a battlefield by mid-season. Even really good soccer players couldn't get a place kick airborne when the ball settled an inch into the mud. Now that a lot of our big schools are going to synthetic turf, I see Mississippi discarding the tee soon. Yea our field is used by 2 seperate 5A High schools and never gets a break!!! Ther is a game there every week and if we both have home games which happened twice last year one is played on Thursday the Friday game is in trouble. Gets comical (in a sad way). By mid season you need a magnyfying glass to find grass on the field.
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