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SaintPauly 04-14-2010 10:40 PM

Jammal Brown to the Cowboys???
 
Just saw on NFL Network, that the Saints could be studying a trade with the Cowboys for LT Jammal Brown. Jason Laconfora says that it could happen on draft day, as the Cowboys are looking to trade their second round pick, for the right guy. What do you guys think? This will still be a high second round pick. I think they should have to throw in a player as well, unless they want to give up a 1st, or possibly the 2nd, and a 5th or 6th.

strato 04-14-2010 10:46 PM

Re: Jammal Brown to the Cowboys???
 
Do it...it would be nice to get a first...but a 2nd and 3rd would work...Dallas has been known to give away number ones ...lol

D_it_up 04-14-2010 11:08 PM

Re: Jammal Brown to the Cowboys???
 
This is a cost-cutting move if it happens. Maybe this is why Brown decided not to attend workouts, because he may have been informed that he was on the block. The Saints are probably seeing that they won a Super Bowl without him and are content with either Bushrod or Strief at LT. With a 6+ mil tender placed on him, they are seeing less dollar signs devoted to that position and can spread that money out over people that are probably about to get extensions like Jahri Evans and Pierre Thomas. They could also use some of that money to go toward re-signing Sharper.

P.S. I would still try to get more than just the 27th pick in the 2nd round, though. Maybe a 2nd and a 4th.

strato 04-14-2010 11:14 PM

Re: Jammal Brown to the Cowboys???
 
It would free up some moolah...and im might be in the minority here.. but i think Bushrod and Strief and a draft pick would do ok at LT...Brown is one knee injury away from missing the season again...

TheDeuce 04-14-2010 11:14 PM

Re: Jammal Brown to the Cowboys???
 
Guys, Brown is coming off a season-long injury in which his team played better when he wasn't there. Doesn't exactly scream first-round draft pick to me.

I'm with D, think maybe a low 2nd with a low-rounder could be a possibility. I'd take that in a heartbeat.

The national media ragged on Bushrod a lot last year because he had a couple of bad games, but point is, the Saints gave up very few sacks and Bushrod actually did pretty well. He's not an elite tackle, but definitely a good one.

strato 04-14-2010 11:16 PM

Re: Jammal Brown to the Cowboys???
 
I dont see anymore than a second rd pick as well..but Loomy can work some magic..lol..

SaintPauly 04-14-2010 11:16 PM

Re: Jammal Brown to the Cowboys???
 
Out of curiosity, if it's the cowboys 2nd rounder, and a player, what player would you guys consider?

D_it_up 04-14-2010 11:20 PM

Re: Jammal Brown to the Cowboys???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDeuce (Post 218509)

The national media ragged on Bushrod a lot last year because he had a couple of bad games, but point is, the Saints gave up very few sacks and Bushrod actually did pretty well. He's not an elite tackle, but definitely a good one.

Also, a lot of people either forget or don't take into consideration that last year was Bushrod's first time to start. He seems like a bright enough cookie to learn from his mistakes and play at a higher level next season.

D_it_up 04-14-2010 11:21 PM

Re: Jammal Brown to the Cowboys???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by saintpaul25 (Post 218511)
Out of curiosity, if it's the cowboys 2nd rounder, and a player, what player would you guys consider?

Demarcus Ware. LOL

strato 04-14-2010 11:23 PM

Re: Jammal Brown to the Cowboys???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by saintpaul25 (Post 218511)
Out of curiosity, if it's the cowboys 2nd rounder, and a player, what player would you guys consider?

If you really want to know D.Ware...lol..

SaintPauly 04-14-2010 11:25 PM

Re: Jammal Brown to the Cowboys???
 
Ok, Ware isn't going anywhere, no pun intended. I was thinking a reasonable trade idea. Unless they want to trade straight out? Then heck yeah.

D_it_up 04-14-2010 11:26 PM

Re: Jammal Brown to the Cowboys???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by saintpaul25 (Post 218517)
Ok, Ware isn't going anywhere, no pun intended. I was thinking a reasonable trade idea. Unless they want to trade straight out? Then heck yeah.

Hey. You asked. lol

strato 04-14-2010 11:27 PM

Re: Jammal Brown to the Cowboys???
 
Ok how about that other LB..cant call his name

strato 04-14-2010 11:29 PM

Re: Jammal Brown to the Cowboys???
 
Here ya go

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D_it_up 04-14-2010 11:33 PM

Re: Jammal Brown to the Cowboys???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by strato (Post 218520)
Ok how about that other LB..cant call his name

Anthony Spencer? Or is he a defensive end?

strato 04-14-2010 11:35 PM

Re: Jammal Brown to the Cowboys???
 
Yeah thats him...i guess he is..but i would take him...lol

Turbo Saint 04-15-2010 12:50 AM

Re: Jammal Brown to the Cowboys???
 
i'm absolutely ok without him.

i got so tired of hearing "false start, #70, 5 yard penalty...repeat (#) down" or the same with holding...he just seemed like a penalty machine to me. rock on bushrod!

CantonLegend 04-15-2010 01:44 AM

Re: Jammal Brown to the Cowboys???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDeuce (Post 218509)
Guys, Brown is coming off a season-long injury in which his team played better when he wasn't there. Doesn't exactly scream first-round draft pick to me.

the team was better....because of balance, aggression, and a few crucial pieces added

but the LT position was not better......in fact.....if was significantly worse and if we were to drop brown off for any pick, LT would immediately leap frog into the first or 2nd biggest need for this team

Quote:

The national media ragged on Bushrod a lot last year because he had a couple of bad games, but point is, the Saints gave up very few sacks and Bushrod actually did pretty well. He's not an elite tackle, but definitely a good one.
in fact.....we threw the 10th most passes in the league in '09.....bushrod gave up 8 sacks and had significant amounts of help

in '08......we threw the ball 635 times.......brown gave up 3 sacks with very minimal help

brown gave up a sack once every 212 drop backs....

bushrod gave up a sack every 64 drop backs......

see the difference?

Crusader 04-15-2010 02:00 AM

Re: Jammal Brown to the Cowboys???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 218550)
the team was better....because of balance, aggression, and a few crucial pieces added

but the LT position was not better......in fact.....if was significantly worse and if we were to drop brown off for any pick, LT would immediately leap frog into the first or 2nd biggest need for this team



in fact.....we threw the 10th most passes in the league in '09.....bushrod gave up 8 sacks and had significant amounts of help

in '08......we threw the ball 635 times.......brown gave up 3 sacks with very minimal help

brown gave up a sack once every 212 drop backs....

bushrod gave up a sack every 64 drop backs......

see the difference?


I know you're down on Bushrod but how uch do you think could be accredited to it being his first season as a starter and do you see rome for improvement?

From watching him this season I feel he has the physical tools to do it. I lik ehim in runblocking but he needs to improve his footwork and "sit down" more when passblocking, IMHO.

What I mean is trading Brown if Bushrod doesn't get better would be unwise but with the coaches we have i expect him to improve.

CantonLegend 04-15-2010 02:09 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 218552)
I know you're down on Bushrod but how uch do you think could be accredited to it being his first season as a starter and do you see rome for improvement?

From watching him this season I feel he has the physical tools to do it. I lik ehim in runblocking but he needs to improve his footwork and "sit down" more when passblocking, IMHO.

What I mean is trading Brown if Bushrod doesn't get better would be unwise but with the coaches we have i expect him to improve.

do i hope he can improve...yes......do i think he can improve?......i dont know

hes been in the league for 3 years and has done a lot of nothing....he has disappointed sean payton and its very publicized that payton was down on bushrod

IMO bushrods biggest weakness is his drop step

he drops back way too far when he pass blocks and stands up too straight when makin up for the ground he covered

the DEs are allowed too much room for movement before he initiates contact and like you said, he needs to sit a little more and not play so freaking high

im down on him because of his pass blocking.....although ive seen him blow a few assignments while run blocking

the difference with run blocking is that he can initiate contact immediately and can use his size and power to overwhelm defenders

the problem with him is when he drop steps he cant recover and that is usually only in pass blocking situations

Crusader 04-15-2010 02:14 AM

Re: Jammal Brown to the Cowboys???
 
Thats a good analysis, I think a lot of that can be fixed with coaching. Then again, LTs are in high demand because there's just not a whole lot of 300lbs ballerinas out there.

mikesaintfan 04-15-2010 07:19 AM

Re: Jammal Brown to the Cowboys???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CantonLegend (Post 218550)
the team was better....because of balance, aggression, and a few crucial pieces added

but the LT position was not better......in fact.....if was significantly worse and if we were to drop brown off for any pick, LT would immediately leap frog into the first or 2nd biggest need for this team



in fact.....we threw the 10th most passes in the league in '09.....bushrod gave up 8 sacks and had significant amounts of help

in '08......we threw the ball 635 times.......brown gave up 3 sacks with very minimal help

brown gave up a sack once every 212 drop backs....

bushrod gave up a sack every 64 drop backs......

see the difference?


i agree...i think with brown in at lt, we are just better...and he rarely gets help..together with nicks thats one strong side of the line...and the other side was pro-bowlers

saintsfan1976 04-15-2010 07:20 AM

Re: Jammal Brown to the Cowboys???
 
Dennis Landolt.

ScottF 04-15-2010 08:16 AM

Re: Jammal Brown to the Cowboys???
 
You simply cannot compare Brown and Bushrod. As Canton said, Bushrod got a TON of help. With Brown our pass protection scheme changes, opening up the mad genius's playbook even more.

I think Brown is more valuable to us than other teams, meaning we won't get his worth in a trade. (and no way is anyone giving up the 1st & 3rd tender)

I think we need more than the 60th pick for him- maybe the pick and a swap in the 1st and 3rd rounds, with us picking at #27

strato 04-15-2010 08:22 AM

Re: Jammal Brown to the Cowboys???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ScottF (Post 218595)
You simply cannot compare Brown and Bushrod. As Canton said, Bushrod got a TON of help. With Brown our pass protection scheme changes, opening up the mad genius's playbook even more.

I think Brown is more valuable to us than other teams, meaning we won't get his worth in a trade. (and no way is anyone giving up the 1st & 3rd tender)

I think we need more than the 60th pick for him- maybe the pick and a swap in the 1st and 3rd rounds, with us picking at #27

But whats funny,,is we still move the ball fine with Bushrod....Picks ..money for Sharper...injury concern...i dont know man i think trading J.B is looking pretty good..:doh: I know glad im not the GM...lol

[mmm] sicboy 04-15-2010 08:37 AM

Re: Jammal Brown to the Cowboys???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by strato (Post 218508)
It would free up some moolah...and im might be in the minority here.. but i think Bushrod and Strief and a draft pick would do ok at LT...Brown is one knee injury away from missing the season again...

LOL. I think a lot of players in the NFL are one knee injury away from missing the season;)

strato 04-15-2010 08:54 AM

Re: Jammal Brown to the Cowboys???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by [mmm] sicboy (Post 218599)
LOL. I think a lot of players in the NFL are one knee injury away from missing the season;)

Duh...lol

ScottF 04-15-2010 09:05 AM

Re: Jammal Brown to the Cowboys???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by strato (Post 218597)
But whats funny,,is we still move the ball fine with Bushrod....Picks ..money for Sharper...injury concern...i dont know man i think trading J.B is looking pretty good..:doh: I know glad im not the GM...lol

all good points. And nothing personal, but I am also glad you are not the GM

strato 04-15-2010 09:06 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ScottF (Post 218602)
all good points. And nothing personal, but I am also glad you are not the GM

Likewise..lol

D_it_up 04-15-2010 09:09 AM

Re: Jammal Brown to the Cowboys???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ScottF (Post 218602)
all good points. And nothing personal, but I am also glad you are not the GM

Funny thing is that what strat is saying is not a reach. That could very well be what is on the mind of our GM and the front office. So, when and if this does happen, will you say that you wish we had another GM?

ScottF 04-15-2010 09:21 AM

Re: Jammal Brown to the Cowboys???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by D_it_up (Post 218604)
Funny thing is that what strat is saying is not a reach. That could very well be what is on the mind of our GM and the front office. So, when and if this does happen, will you say that you wish we had another GM?

No, but I wish we had another LT, LOL.

Loomis will have a tough call- as I said, Brown has more value for us than we will get in return

voodooido 04-15-2010 09:27 AM

Re: Jammal Brown to the Cowboys???
 
Jason La Canfora, of the NFL Network, reports New Orleans Saints restricted free-agent OT Jammal Brown is a candidate to be a part of a trade during the 2010 NFL Draft.


Dallas might be in the mix but it looks like he is on the way out one way or another. I am glad to see it. We won without him and and do it again. Should get a rd 2 pick out of this.

strato 04-15-2010 09:39 AM

Re: Jammal Brown to the Cowboys???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ScottF (Post 218605)
No, but I wish we had another LT, LOL.

Loomis will have a tough call- as I said, Brown has more value for us than we will get in return

We do Bushrod and Strief...and we might land one with the pick or picks we could get for Brown...

D_it_up 04-15-2010 10:23 AM

Re: Jammal Brown to the Cowboys???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ScottF (Post 218605)
No, but I wish we had another LT, LOL.

Loomis will have a tough call- as I said, Brown has more value for us than we will get in return

Agreed on the value we won't receive. That's why I'm thinking it would be a 2nd rounder and maybe a 4th or 5th, but that is only if we're lucky. I know they placed a high tender on Brown, but I see that as just not wanting to lose him without getting something in return. As far as another LT, I'm not quite ready to give up on Bushrod just yet. I'd like to see him get one more full season as a starter before he is thrown under the bus. For a first year starter, he played above average. Maybe this year he can improve. If he does, then we have a capable LT for cheaper than it would have cost to keep Brown. If he doesn't improve, then maybe one of the picks this year is used on a future starting LT, and he can begin being groomed to take over the position.

voodooido 04-15-2010 10:39 AM

Re: Jammal Brown to the Cowboys???
 
I say now that the Skins have paid the 21 mil to Albert I say a even up trade. We will lose Brown next year anyway and Albert will give us a 2-3 year window on drafting a top dt. That allows lb o be the first pick.

TheEnigma 04-15-2010 01:30 PM

Re: Jammal Brown to the Cowboys???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by voodooido (Post 218619)
I say now that the Skins have paid the 21 mil to Albert I say a even up trade. We will lose Brown next year anyway and Albert will give us a 2-3 year window on drafting a top dt. That allows lb o be the first pick.

Yes!!

AssGrinch 04-15-2010 02:31 PM

Re: Jammal Brown to the Cowboys???
 
I can confirm that the Cowboys are interested in Jammal Brown. If you trust Jason La Canfora, you will have no problem trusting me.

hagan714 04-15-2010 02:45 PM

Re: Jammal Brown to the Cowboys???
 
lol I can hear the screams now when the saints pick Rodger Saffold, Indiana at 32

saintfan 04-15-2010 02:49 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hagan714 (Post 218659)
lol I can hear the screams now when the saints pick Rodger Saffold, Indiana at 32

You're probably right about the screams, but what made the Cowboys' dynasty, IMO, more than Aikman, Emmit, and Irvin et all, was that O line.

Give a good QB time to throw, a good RB some decent holes...championship! I wouldn't complain one bit if we drafted O-Line at 32.

hagan714 04-15-2010 02:53 PM

Re: Jammal Brown to the Cowboys???
 
best bet is
swap 1's - grab weatherspoon or kindle.
swap seconds - Reshad Jones, S, Georgia
take the third


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