Vikings players say they outplayed the Saints and say "Colts" should have won! (they're not seeing us as the real champs)

falconhater · 04-22-2010, 02:08 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Our poor misguided youth. Why don't you look up 'comma-splice' in that book?

Now, using a comma between two independent clauses doesn't make the statement any clearer nor does it provide any EMPHASIS as you say. In fact it results in a comma-splice. When a person is a well-known and published writer some grace is given and rules are bent. I assume you know this since you teach English. This is not such a case.

Want me to pick this one apart for you too? I hope none of your students visit this web site.

The comma is correct for multiple reasons actually.

It can be considered an Interjection or a weak exclamation. (Writers inc. pg 460)

The key to checking if a comma can be used is to move the phrase from one end of the sentence to anothe if it works you use a comma.

I assure you, He isn't looking forward to this game.

He isn't looking forward to this game, I assure you.

saintfan · 04-22-2010, 02:21 PM

Originally Posted by falconhater

The comma is correct for multiple reasons actually.

It can be considered an Interjection or a weak exclamation. (Writers inc. pg 460)

The key to checking if a comma can be used is to move the phrase from one end of the sentence to anothe if it works you use a comma.

I assure you, He isn't looking forward to this game.

He isn't looking forward to this game, I assure you.

Wrong again. If you want to make it right there are all sorts of assumptions you can make. In this example, a period is the right punctuation. Next would be a conjunction. A semicolon, while not completely perfect would be better than a comma, since the use of a comma, by definition, makes the above a run-on. No English teacher I ever had taught anyone I ever knew to do anything other than get it right until such time as you are a published writer, at which time you can do pretty much anything you'd like.

Moving the expressions from back to front or front to back is how we teach third graders to 'see' the two, independent clauses and not where to put a comma, since a comma alone here isn't sufficient. There is no 'interjection' or 'weak exclamation' here.

Hurry! We need to get there now!

Hurry, we need to get there now.

That's what you are trying to twist this to in order to make your point. You can't just break the rules when you want to. If you tried to teach that crap to my daughter me and you would have a come-to-Jesus of a parent teacher conference.

falconhater · 04-22-2010, 02:27 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Wrong again. If you want to make it right there are all sorts of assumptions you can make. In this example, a period is the right punctuation. Next would be a conjunction. A semicolon, while not completely perfect would be better than a comma, since the use of a comma, by definition, makes the above a run-on. No English teacher I ever had taught anyone I ever knew to do anything other than get it right until such time as you are a published writer, at which time you can do pretty much anything you'd like.

Moving the expressions from back to front or front to back is how we teach third graders to 'see' the two, independent clauses and not where to put a comma, since a comma alone here isn't sufficient. There is no 'interjection' or 'weak exclamation' here.

Hurry! We need to get there now!

Hurry, we need to get there now.

That's what you are trying to twist this to in order to make your point. You can't just break the rules when you want to. If you tried to teach that crap to my daughter me and you would have a come-to-Jesus of a parent teacher conference.

We can agree to disagree on comma usage since you fail to comprehend the evolution and complexity of our language. I'll resort to a language you understand... Who Dat!!!

saintfan · 04-22-2010, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by falconhater

We can agree to disagree on comma usage since you fail to comprehend the evolution and complexity of our language. I'll resort to a language you understand... Who Dat!!!

Evolution of our language? I happen to think it should be taken very seriously and I read critically. Professional writers make stupid mistakes all the time. I am constantly amazed at the crap I see in magazines and newspapers. Then again, it would seem that I might be able to trace the errors back to the teacher. There's no excuse for being 'forgiving', and while I am the first person to recognize English is not an exact science, there is a right way and a wrong way, and you don't infer anything to circumvent the rules.

I also think pointing out someones grammar on a football message board is silly, and in this case I think it's the case of someone being a jerk because that's what they're good at. On the comma we can agree to disagree, and I'll be thankful my kids don't end up learning grammar from you.

04-22-2010, 02:08 PM	#1
falconhater 100th Post Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 257	Re: Vikings players say they outplayed the Saints and say "Colts" should have won! (they're not seeing us as the real champs) Originally Posted by saintfan Our poor misguided youth. Why don't you look up 'comma-splice' in that book? Now, using a comma between two independent clauses doesn't make the statement any clearer nor does it provide any EMPHASIS as you say. In fact it results in a comma-splice. When a person is a well-known and published writer some grace is given and rules are bent. I assume you know this since you teach English. This is not such a case. Want me to pick this one apart for you too? I hope none of your students visit this web site. The comma is correct for multiple reasons actually. It can be considered an Interjection or a weak exclamation. (Writers inc. pg 460) The key to checking if a comma can be used is to move the phrase from one end of the sentence to anothe if it works you use a comma. I assure you, He isn't looking forward to this game. He isn't looking forward to this game, I assure you.
falconhater 100th Post Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 257

04-22-2010, 02:21 PM	#2
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Vikings players say they outplayed the Saints and say "Colts" should have won! (they're not seeing us as the real champs) Originally Posted by falconhater The comma is correct for multiple reasons actually. It can be considered an Interjection or a weak exclamation. (Writers inc. pg 460) The key to checking if a comma can be used is to move the phrase from one end of the sentence to anothe if it works you use a comma. I assure you, He isn't looking forward to this game. He isn't looking forward to this game, I assure you. Wrong again. If you want to make it right there are all sorts of assumptions you can make. In this example, a period is the right punctuation. Next would be a conjunction. A semicolon, while not completely perfect would be better than a comma, since the use of a comma, by definition, makes the above a run-on. No English teacher I ever had taught anyone I ever knew to do anything other than get it right until such time as you are a published writer, at which time you can do pretty much anything you'd like. Moving the expressions from back to front or front to back is how we teach third graders to 'see' the two, independent clauses and not where to put a comma, since a comma alone here isn't sufficient. There is no 'interjection' or 'weak exclamation' here. Hurry! We need to get there now! Hurry, we need to get there now. That's what you are trying to twist this to in order to make your point. You can't just break the rules when you want to. If you tried to teach that crap to my daughter me and you would have a come-to-Jesus of a parent teacher conference.
	C'mon Man...

04-22-2010, 02:27 PM	#3
falconhater 100th Post Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 257	Re: Vikings players say they outplayed the Saints and say "Colts" should have won! (they're not seeing us as the real champs) Originally Posted by saintfan Wrong again. If you want to make it right there are all sorts of assumptions you can make. In this example, a period is the right punctuation. Next would be a conjunction. A semicolon, while not completely perfect would be better than a comma, since the use of a comma, by definition, makes the above a run-on. No English teacher I ever had taught anyone I ever knew to do anything other than get it right until such time as you are a published writer, at which time you can do pretty much anything you'd like. Moving the expressions from back to front or front to back is how we teach third graders to 'see' the two, independent clauses and not where to put a comma, since a comma alone here isn't sufficient. There is no 'interjection' or 'weak exclamation' here. Hurry! We need to get there now! Hurry, we need to get there now. That's what you are trying to twist this to in order to make your point. You can't just break the rules when you want to. If you tried to teach that crap to my daughter me and you would have a come-to-Jesus of a parent teacher conference. We can agree to disagree on comma usage since you fail to comprehend the evolution and complexity of our language. I'll resort to a language you understand... Who Dat!!!
falconhater 100th Post Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 257

04-22-2010, 02:39 PM	#4
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Vikings players say they outplayed the Saints and say "Colts" should have won! (they're not seeing us as the real champs) Originally Posted by falconhater We can agree to disagree on comma usage since you fail to comprehend the evolution and complexity of our language. I'll resort to a language you understand... Who Dat!!! Evolution of our language? I happen to think it should be taken very seriously and I read critically. Professional writers make stupid mistakes all the time. I am constantly amazed at the crap I see in magazines and newspapers. Then again, it would seem that I might be able to trace the errors back to the teacher. There's no excuse for being 'forgiving', and while I am the first person to recognize English is not an exact science, there is a right way and a wrong way, and you don't infer anything to circumvent the rules. I also think pointing out someones grammar on a football message board is silly, and in this case I think it's the case of someone being a jerk because that's what they're good at. On the comma we can agree to disagree, and I'll be thankful my kids don't end up learning grammar from you.
	C'mon Man...

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