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Defense wins championships.... Ok, our pass defense was great last year, when healthy. Let us not get blinded by the fog of our Super Bowl Win, we need to remember the cringe every time our opponents handed off the ball.

I looked at what we picked up in the draft.
We picked up:
Corner
OT
TE
DT
Center
QB

Is Al Woods at DT all we need? I am not sure. Fools base NFL player ability off of college performance. I know your eyebrow just went up at that statement.
Allow men to justify my statement with some First round draft picks:
JaMarcus Russell....

Need I say more? Probably not but will any way.
Ryan Leaf... Picked OVER Manning! LOL
Art Schlichter

How about undrafted players: Who was sleeping at the wheel?
Adam Vinateri
Wes Welker
Priest Holmes
Antonio Gates
Kurt Warner
Warren Moon


For the most part I have seen comments that we picked up some good value from the draft. What use is good value on something we do not need?

If your brakes go out on your car do you run out and find a good value on some rear view mirrors?

Why have we not addressed out biggest weak point, stopping the run? I sure hope the gurus have something up their sleeve to stop the run this season.

This post is somewhat a rant but was intended to find someone to make sense of all of this so i sleep better at night.

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Some decent points but lets get facts straight first Ryan Leaf was picked #2 Manning #1

1998 NFL Draft - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I too think there were Deffensive Players on the board esspecially in Rd 2 and 3 that would have much better fit needs for our team and been Quality players sooner than the PROJECT players we grabed.

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if we pick up henderson we should be alright. that and the addition of brown and woods should be an improvement. dont forget that ellis was out for part of the season when we were getting tore up by running backs.

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x,

Not sure anyone can make total sense except for the Saints FO. They have the personnel plan...not us fans.

That being said, to use your illustration;

If you "believe" your brakes will be going out in the not too distant future and they come on "SUPER SALE" at Pep Boys, you might want to buy them in order to save mucho $$$$$ for the day when the brakes do go out!

I remember a comment Loomis made several years back..."a NFL team has approximate 25% personnel/player turnover each year"!

btw; don't fret too much, we have cuts coming and some good players will become available. Not to mention trades. Remember how we got Shockey in June?

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You are correct about Leaf. My bad, he did go first. Leaf was believed to be the better of the two at the time by many because of size and strength.

Another note to make about College performance and NFL draft... San Diego gave up 2 first round draft picks, a second round pick, Line Backer Patrick Sapp and Pro-Bowl Line backer Eric Metcalf to get the pick on Leaf... WTF????

Of course I also have to mention another Draft disaster before a Charger fan comes in here and picks me apart. Ditka gave away all of our 1999 picks as well as 1st and 3rd for 2000 for the Tokinator Ricky Williams.... Thanks Mike!


Being 32nd in the draft I did not expect rainbows and pots of gold but we need to at least address our issues.

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I know things can still happen. However this being an uncapped year we are sevrerly restricted to what things "Could Happen"...which is why i worry.

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Please explain what you mean by "severely restricted". TIA

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Rules for Uncapped year restrict the Free Agent options for the top 8 and Final 4.
2010: An uncapped year odyssey

Expect uncapped year to lead to conservative free agency period

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Thanks. However, it does not apply to released/cut players (now happening) plus the rule will be lifted in either late June or July (not sure of the specific date).

Anyway, IMHO this rule does not "significantly restrict" the Saints. Look at the Alex Brown signing...released by Bears not due to production but likely due to the HIGH cost of signing Peppers. Just a matter of $$$$$$.

Just trying to provide another perspective so you can sleep at night! lolololol

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Not sure where you found that the rule is lifted for the final 4 any time?

It is the Final 4 rule you need to worry about.

We had to loose a Free Agent (Fujita) to gain Alex Brown. We could not get Brown for more than we paid Fujita. Unless we loose another Free Agent, we are done.

Read Final Four rules:
NFLLabor.com Frequently Asked Questions ? Tender and ?Final Eight? Rules

I call that significantly restricted.

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First, Brown acquisition had nothing to do with the rule. Jimmy Wilkerson did.

Second, Deadline Set for "Final 8" Rule - Gang Green Nation

Third, just trying to provide another perspective which is what you asked for in the first place.

Lastly, you have no reference point if the Saints have done anything to improve their run defense to date. They have not played one game to date with the current roster or whom they will enter the first game of the season with on D.

Good luck. Out.

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I agree with X in his concern for stopping the run. That would keep teams in 3rd and long situations, perfect for the way we play defense. But I still have the scars from the number of 3rd and longs that were converted on us last season. 3rd and 9's, 3rd and 13's, 3rd and 17's: it was ugly sometimes. We were 13-3 and could have easily been 15-1, but were 3-0 when it counted. We didn't do that bad of a job, and we can definitely do better this year. I thought that the heavy in the draft should have fallen 4-2 on the defensive side of the ball, but what do I know? We still have a ton of unsigned players that may give us an opportunity to sure up some of our holes if they are signed away. I kinda trust those guys (FO) at his point to know what they are doing.

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Do we have two insomniacs? lololololol

Don't worry, be happy. Saints are WORLD CHAMPIONS. Enjoy the ride to a repeat 2010 season.

Ciao........BI

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All of the Final 8/July 22nd rules ending rumors come from Jets websites. When the NFL officially posts it, I will believe it. If it is true, who in the hell is going to be available after July 22nd ?.. LOL

I have no reference point on weather they have done anything to improve Saints defense? ROFLMAO. Sure I do... Look at the roster it should be fair to say 95% played last season. Bresus has not taken the field in the forst game of the 2011 season yet either. I suppose on your basis or thought you feel he "could" be ranked 32nd at the end of next season.

My point still stands. The rule severely sestricts the New Orleans Saints, as it was intended to. And we need to prepare to stop the run.

On opening day we play Minnesota. We better be prepared. My point behind all of this is that I am one area away from comfortably feeling as we can dominate this season, stopping the run is that area. I am sure the FO knows what they are doing, however, I am here on these forums to discuss.

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cant repeat if we dont get better

every other team is getting better.....if we stay stagnant and get complacent then we wont get better and wont have any chance of repeating this year

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Amen to that...

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Intuitively obvious to even the most casual observer.

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100% Agreed! My boyfriend and I were discussing this at dinner the other night. Our biggest weakness last year was stopping the run.

Our defense was rated what, 26th last year? That's not good enough for a #1 rated offense. The FO needs to take notice if they want a repeat.

I'm not doubting their abilities to get us quality talent, I just want them to stop sitting on their hands and get something done already! OTAs are right around the corner.

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Just sit back and eat bon bon and let the front office do there job ...your fanhood has been revoked...lol:doh:

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And YOU can kiss my bon bon eating, Saints loving butt!

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Who Dat! :bng:

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all u guy's are doing is bringing the bad memories before the super bowl, all those 50-60 yard runs. i know already my fan hood has been revoked.
LOL

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According to one oddsmaker, the NFL has no clear-cut Super Bowl favorite in 2010.

Online wagering site Bodog.com has set its early lines for teams winning Super Bowl 45, and it installs the Colts, last season’s runner-up, as the top choice, at 8-1. The champion Saints are next at 9-1.

On the other end, fans of the biggest long shots—the Rams, Bucs and Bills—can back their teams at 100-1.

Online oddsmaker lists Colts as early Super Bowl favorite - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

Seems like they are putting their money (odds) where their beliefs are!

These guys have no more information than any of us!

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Wait and watch. Stop trying to predict the season. Anyone last year think we were going to make a 13-0 run?

We had injuries in key positions at various times last year. After some one broke a long run on us we made adjustments and shut them dowm. Our defense was a second half defense last year. Adjustments were made at half time and we shut the run down.

I know I was not the only one watching the games and seeing this. The big difference this past season to previous ones was making adjustments on defense.

I think with healthy corners we can load the box and stop some runs.

Until the season has started and I have some proof I'm not complaining about the Draft.

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2 responses to the same quote from the same person?

to what do i owe the honor?

according to breesfan27 you can have an entire conversation about this

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Not sure if I should take that as a compliment or an insult. :confused:

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Canton is mad cause we have the awards...lol

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Uhmmm....yeah! Ok then....

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VERY TRUE, adjustments were made to stop the hurendus long runs, but the gapping holes were never filled and they still had relatively 7-9-13 and sometimes longer third down yardage and they drug our ass for 1 st downs. it was'nt only the 50+ yardage it was shuting the run down. when porter and greer were there they ran on us, they could'nt throw. what we are trying to say is that other teams will be getting better offensively meaning staying with drives and scoring more. we have to be as good or better in 2010 it will not be the blowouts games of the past. injuries could send us packing early if we don't take the right angle on this.

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I think we are starting to see the worry fever. The season hasn't started and we are now gonna lose due to a yet unforseen lack in run defense.

We started the year in the top 10 in defense. When the injuries came we started to drop.

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it definitly wasnt an insult

just trying to prove that despite it being so blatently obvious like he had pointed out, you can still manage to carry on an entire conversation about it

which means it may not be so blatently obvious as he claims

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I disagree that we need an elite run stopper but another big body in the rotation wouldnt hurt. This year we will face Adrian Peterson, Frank Gore, Michael Turner X2, DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart X2, Cadillac Williams (not in the same breath as the others but had a huge game against us last season), Cedric Benson, Ray Rice, and Steven Jackson. Thats not to mention if Pitt rededicates its offense to the run and the three pronged attack in Dallas. Even if our run defense is better than our stats showed last year, additional help would be nice considering the schedule we play and especially the division we play in being all run first teams (plus Matt Ryan's ability off the play action).

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Or, that it is really that obvious, however, some just won't accept it...especially when they fail to accept a differing perspective.

"just trying to prove". See what I mean...lololololol

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no this post makes no sense

you said my post was obvious.....so obvious that we didnt draft a big DT or a LB which seems to be our biggest holes

so obvious that we picked up 3 projects for the future but didnt address the issues plaguing this team NOW

differing perspective? you singled out my post out of all of them and had nothing informative to say.......rather you said my post was so obvious that even the most stupid people would know it......

well tell the front office and the coaching staff that they ****ed up and cant manage to measure up to my worthless common sense

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And Al Woods is what? A big DT. Whoops. The Saints move up seven to pick Woods.

The Saints have said ad nauseum they believe their LB needs are in the house. You obviously disagree with all your ability to judge talent on the Saints roster. I am currently listening to Sirius...they just asked their guest... Mickey Loomis...Do you feel comfortable with the LB position? Loomis "I feel like we have players in house (named several). We didn't feel like it was a pressing need (during the draft)!"

None of the drafts picks have hit the field and you are projecting them into the distant future. Carl Nicks, Jahari Evans, etc were the FUTURE but met the challenge when vets were injured. You have not been privileged to the Saints scouting reports, but know better! Again, Loomis seems to disagree with your assessment. Shame on him!!!!!!

Keep up the rant, you make the point...a legend in your own mind! Loomis and Payton are wrong and your minor league experience is greater and better.

"Originally Posted by CantonLegend
cant repeat if we dont get better

every other team is getting better.....if we stay stagnant and get complacent then we wont get better and wont have any chance of repeating this year"

Response by Biloxi-Indian;
Intuitively obvious to even the most casual observer.

You should really try to keep track of your comments and become a more critical reader.

Until then...keep up the rant.

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lol you are missing the poin completely......what did we do to make our run defense better?

a big DT? 300 lbs isnt big for a DT......hes 6'4" which means he has to play lower than his height but as for being more than a tall 3-tech? not likely

LBs.....im comfortable with our LBs......not everybody else is however

im not trying to measure my brains against loomis or payton.....but you are

if everybody was happy with how loomis and payton operated in every fashion then this site would get mighty boring eh? guess what.....just because im happy with the end result LAST YEAR.....doesnt mean i have to be happy at all with the way they are doing business this year

thanks.....you said it.....not me

again i have no idea what you are saying.....i made a post about us not getting better at the positions we need to get better at

you made a post saying mine was obvious and implying it didnt need to be made.....so again....why are payton and loomis avoiding the major issues?

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It would not even be fair to pit your experience (you used the term brains) to those of Loomis and Payton. They win by a longshot in this matter! IMHO.

Saints not getting better? That is YOUR OPINION, and I do not share the same opine. This is a differing opinion. As I said, you need to become a more critical reader.

"why are payton and loomis avoiding the major issues?" lolololol Legend, you really need a dose of reality. Loomis and Payton get paid to win games, not avoid problems.

With all due respect...IMHO all this banter would be a moot point if Mount Cody had been drafted at 32 by the Saints as some would have liked!

Oh well, let the rant continue.

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you think this has anything to do with cody?

the problem is bigger than a single player

cody is a raven and i dont give a **** about him....you were one of the people that blew my opinion of cody way out of proportion.....i constantly had to defend my opinion of him but there were several options available in arguably the best DT draft in decades and we didnt get any of them

we drafted some LSU kid with questionable work ethic and limited experience in the 4th round......guards and centers go in the 4th round all the time and turn into good starters....they dont go early in the draft because they can be found later

DTs do go early.....as early as #2, #3, #5, #9, and #10

because they have that kind of value

but we didnt get any of the top rated DTs that were available up into 3rd and 4th rounds.....we drafted a DT who many believe would've been available into the 7th round and UDFA

as far as me being a critical reader......make your point evident....instead of just trying to say payton and loomis are smarter than me

your not offering anything constructive......just simply saying "trust payton and loomis"

loomis has been our GM since 2002 and hasnt been a huge success up until these past 4 seasons

payton is an offensive coach and our defense has struggled significantly over the past several seasons, including last year in which we won the super bowl

so should i trust payton with the offense.....heck yea....way to go getting a tackle and a TE.......should i trust him drafting anything other than offense? he hasnt made a big splash yet with anybody he's drafted on the defensive side of the ball.....including sedrick ellis who, many believe, still hasnt lived up to his expectations

so no....i dont trust either one of them with our defensive picks

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Legend, you really need to take your meds. Please provide any previous post (other than my previous comment) or evidence of this statement; "you were one of the people that blew my opinion of cody way out of proportion".

So you don't trust Loomis and Payton? That is curious. The only GM and HC to bring a SB to NO and you don't trust them. Laughable at best my friend.

Let the rant continue.

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like i said....the offense is great but.....

what have they done to convince you the defense is cured?

and medical history?

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:popcorn: