Stop the Run!

TheOak · 04-26-2010, 09:27 AM

Defense wins championships.... Ok, our pass defense was great last year, when healthy. Let us not get blinded by the fog of our Super Bowl Win, we need to remember the cringe every time our opponents handed off the ball.

I looked at what we picked up in the draft.
We picked up:
Corner
OT
TE
DT
Center
QB

Is Al Woods at DT all we need? I am not sure. Fools base NFL player ability off of college performance. I know your eyebrow just went up at that statement.
Allow men to justify my statement with some First round draft picks:
JaMarcus Russell....

Need I say more? Probably not but will any way.
Ryan Leaf... Picked OVER Manning! LOL
Art Schlichter

How about undrafted players: Who was sleeping at the wheel?
Adam Vinateri
Wes Welker
Priest Holmes
Antonio Gates
Kurt Warner
Warren Moon

For the most part I have seen comments that we picked up some good value from the draft. What use is good value on something we do not need?

If your brakes go out on your car do you run out and find a good value on some rear view mirrors?

Why have we not addressed out biggest weak point, stopping the run? I sure hope the gurus have something up their sleeve to stop the run this season.

This post is somewhat a rant but was intended to find someone to make sense of all of this so i sleep better at night.

falconhater · 04-26-2010, 09:37 AM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

Defense wins championships.... Ok, our pass defense was great last year, when healthy. Let us not get blinded by the fog of our Super Bowl Win, we need to remember the cringe every time our opponents handed off the ball.

I looked at what we picked up in the draft.
We picked up:
Corner
OT
TE
DT
Center
QB

Is Al Woods at DT all we need? I am not sure. Fools base NFL player ability off of college performance. I know your eyebrow just went up at that statement.
Allow men to justify my statement with some First round draft picks:
JaMarcus Russell....

Need I say more? Probably not but will any way.
Ryan Leaf... Picked OVER Manning! LOL
Art Schlichter

How about undrafted players: Who was sleeping at the wheel?
Adam Vinateri
Wes Welker
Priest Holmes
Antonio Gates
Kurt Warner
Warren Moon

For the most part I have seen comments that we picked up some good value from the draft. What use is good value on something we do not need?

If your brakes go out on your car do you run out and find a good value on some rear view mirrors?

Why have we not addressed out biggest weak point, stopping the run? I sure hope the gurus have something up their sleeve to stop the run this season.

This post is somewhat a rant but was intended to find someone to make sense of all of this so i sleep better at night.

Some decent points but lets get facts straight first Ryan Leaf was picked #2 Manning #1

1998 NFL Draft - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I too think there were Deffensive Players on the board esspecially in Rd 2 and 3 that would have much better fit needs for our team and been Quality players sooner than the PROJECT players we grabed.

WVSaint · 04-26-2010, 09:38 AM

if we pick up henderson we should be alright. that and the addition of brown and woods should be an improvement. dont forget that ellis was out for part of the season when we were getting tore up by running backs.

biloxi-indian · 04-26-2010, 09:40 AM

x,

Not sure anyone can make total sense except for the Saints FO. They have the personnel plan...not us fans.

That being said, to use your illustration;

If you "believe" your brakes will be going out in the not too distant future and they come on "SUPER SALE" at Pep Boys, you might want to buy them in order to save mucho $$$$$ for the day when the brakes do go out!

I remember a comment Loomis made several years back..."a NFL team has approximate 25% personnel/player turnover each year"!

btw; don't fret too much, we have cuts coming and some good players will become available. Not to mention trades. Remember how we got Shockey in June?

TheOak · 04-26-2010, 09:50 AM

You are correct about Leaf. My bad, he did go first. Leaf was believed to be the better of the two at the time by many because of size and strength.

Another note to make about College performance and NFL draft... San Diego gave up 2 first round draft picks, a second round pick, Line Backer Patrick Sapp and Pro-Bowl Line backer Eric Metcalf to get the pick on Leaf... WTF????

Of course I also have to mention another Draft disaster before a Charger fan comes in here and picks me apart. Ditka gave away all of our 1999 picks as well as 1st and 3rd for 2000 for the Tokinator Ricky Williams.... Thanks Mike!

Being 32nd in the draft I did not expect rainbows and pots of gold but we need to at least address our issues.

TheOak · 04-26-2010, 09:53 AM

Originally Posted by biloxi-indian

x,

Not sure anyone can make total sense except for the Saints FO. They have the personnel plan...not us fans.

That being said, to use your illustration;

If you "believe" your brakes will be going out in the not too distant future and they come on "SUPER SALE" at Pep Boys, you might want to buy them in order to save mucho $$$$$ for the day when the brakes do go out!

I remember a comment Loomis made several years back..."a NFL team has approximate 25% personnel/player turnover each year"!

btw; don't fret too much, we have cuts coming and some good players will become available. Not to mention trades. Remember how we got Shockey in June?

I know things can still happen. However this being an uncapped year we are sevrerly restricted to what things "Could Happen"...which is why i worry.

biloxi-indian · 04-26-2010, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

I know things can still happen. However this being an uncapped year we are sevrerly restricted to what things "Could Happen"...which is why i worry.

Please explain what you mean by "severely restricted". TIA

TheOak · 04-26-2010, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by biloxi-indian

Please explain what you mean by "severely restricted". TIA

Rules for Uncapped year restrict the Free Agent options for the top 8 and Final 4.
2010: An uncapped year odyssey

The rule will restrict the final eight teams in the playoffs from signing free agents. The final four teams shall not be permitted to negotiate and sign any unrestricted free agent to a player contract except for players who acquired their status by being cut or were on the final four team when their contract expired. Playoff teams five thru eight get a break to sign one player with a salary of $4,925,000 or more and any number of players with a first-year salary of no more than $3,275,000 and an annual increase of no more than 30 percent in the following years.
There is a mechanism to permit the final eight teams to sign an unrestricted free agent for each one of their own unrestricted free agents who sign with another club as long as they don't spend more than what their own lost player received from his new club.

5. The Final Eight Rule

The Saints, Colts, Vikings and Jets were the final four teams standing in 2009. They really can't sign any big free agents unless they lose a player and he signs for big money. For example, if Taylor signed with a team other than Minnesota for $6 million a year, the Vikings could then sign an unrestricted free agent for up to $6 million a year. Players like L.T. and Westbrook, who were released, do not factor into this rule and could be aggressively pursued by the final four. The next four teams left standing -- San Diego, Baltimore, Arizona and Dallas -- can each sign one big free agent for $5.8 million, but have restrictions after that. Don't expect much action from the final eight teams standing in last year's postseason.

Expect uncapped year to lead to conservative free agency period

biloxi-indian · 04-26-2010, 12:34 PM

Originally Posted by x626xBlack

Rules for Uncapped year restrict the Free Agent options for the top 8 and Final 4.
2010: An uncapped year odyssey

Expect uncapped year to lead to conservative free agency period

Thanks. However, it does not apply to released/cut players (now happening) plus the rule will be lifted in either late June or July (not sure of the specific date).

Anyway, IMHO this rule does not "significantly restrict" the Saints. Look at the Alex Brown signing...released by Bears not due to production but likely due to the HIGH cost of signing Peppers. Just a matter of $$$$$$.

Just trying to provide another perspective so you can sleep at night! lolololol

TheOak · 04-26-2010, 12:59 PM

Not sure where you found that the rule is lifted for the final 4 any time?

It is the Final 4 rule you need to worry about.

We had to loose a Free Agent (Fujita) to gain Alex Brown. We could not get Brown for more than we paid Fujita. Unless we loose another Free Agent, we are done.

Read Final Four rules:

Super Bowl champion New Orleans Saints – can sign unrestricted free agents only if they lose unrestricted free agents. Saints can sign the same number of unrestricted free agents as the number of their own unrestricted free agents who signed with other clubs.

NFLLabor.com Frequently Asked Questions ? Tender and ?Final Eight? Rules

I call that significantly restricted.

04-26-2010, 09:27 AM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Stop the Run! Defense wins championships.... Ok, our pass defense was great last year, when healthy. Let us not get blinded by the fog of our Super Bowl Win, we need to remember the cringe every time our opponents handed off the ball. I looked at what we picked up in the draft. We picked up: Corner OT TE DT Center QB Is Al Woods at DT all we need? I am not sure. Fools base NFL player ability off of college performance. I know your eyebrow just went up at that statement. Allow men to justify my statement with some First round draft picks: JaMarcus Russell.... Need I say more? Probably not but will any way. Ryan Leaf... Picked OVER Manning! LOL Art Schlichter How about undrafted players: Who was sleeping at the wheel? Adam Vinateri Wes Welker Priest Holmes Antonio Gates Kurt Warner Warren Moon For the most part I have seen comments that we picked up some good value from the draft. What use is good value on something we do not need? If your brakes go out on your car do you run out and find a good value on some rear view mirrors? Why have we not addressed out biggest weak point, stopping the run? I sure hope the gurus have something up their sleeve to stop the run this season. This post is somewhat a rant but was intended to find someone to make sense of all of this so i sleep better at night.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

04-26-2010, 09:37 AM	#2
falconhater 100th Post Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 257	Re: Stop the Run! Originally Posted by x626xBlack Defense wins championships.... Ok, our pass defense was great last year, when healthy. Let us not get blinded by the fog of our Super Bowl Win, we need to remember the cringe every time our opponents handed off the ball. I looked at what we picked up in the draft. We picked up: Corner OT TE DT Center QB Is Al Woods at DT all we need? I am not sure. Fools base NFL player ability off of college performance. I know your eyebrow just went up at that statement. Allow men to justify my statement with some First round draft picks: JaMarcus Russell.... Need I say more? Probably not but will any way. Ryan Leaf... Picked OVER Manning! LOL Art Schlichter How about undrafted players: Who was sleeping at the wheel? Adam Vinateri Wes Welker Priest Holmes Antonio Gates Kurt Warner Warren Moon For the most part I have seen comments that we picked up some good value from the draft. What use is good value on something we do not need? If your brakes go out on your car do you run out and find a good value on some rear view mirrors? Why have we not addressed out biggest weak point, stopping the run? I sure hope the gurus have something up their sleeve to stop the run this season. This post is somewhat a rant but was intended to find someone to make sense of all of this so i sleep better at night. Some decent points but lets get facts straight first Ryan Leaf was picked #2 Manning #1 1998 NFL Draft - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia I too think there were Deffensive Players on the board esspecially in Rd 2 and 3 that would have much better fit needs for our team and been Quality players sooner than the PROJECT players we grabed.
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04-26-2010, 09:38 AM	#3
WVSaint 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: West Virginia Posts: 807	Re: Stop the Run! if we pick up henderson we should be alright. that and the addition of brown and woods should be an improvement. dont forget that ellis was out for part of the season when we were getting tore up by running backs.

04-26-2010, 09:40 AM	#4
biloxi-indian Site Donor Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Southlake, TX Posts: 1,706	Re: Stop the Run! x, Not sure anyone can make total sense except for the Saints FO. They have the personnel plan...not us fans. That being said, to use your illustration; If you "believe" your brakes will be going out in the not too distant future and they come on "SUPER SALE" at Pep Boys, you might want to buy them in order to save mucho $$$$$ for the day when the brakes do go out! I remember a comment Loomis made several years back..."a NFL team has approximate 25% personnel/player turnover each year"! btw; don't fret too much, we have cuts coming and some good players will become available. Not to mention trades. Remember how we got Shockey in June?
	Insanity is defined as doing the same thing over, over, and over again...and expecting a different outcome!

04-26-2010, 09:50 AM	#5
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: Stop the Run! You are correct about Leaf. My bad, he did go first. Leaf was believed to be the better of the two at the time by many because of size and strength. Another note to make about College performance and NFL draft... San Diego gave up 2 first round draft picks, a second round pick, Line Backer Patrick Sapp and Pro-Bowl Line backer Eric Metcalf to get the pick on Leaf... WTF???? Of course I also have to mention another Draft disaster before a Charger fan comes in here and picks me apart. Ditka gave away all of our 1999 picks as well as 1st and 3rd for 2000 for the Tokinator Ricky Williams.... Thanks Mike! Being 32nd in the draft I did not expect rainbows and pots of gold but we need to at least address our issues.
	It's not what you look at that matters, it's what you see. ~ Henry David Thoreau

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04-26-2010, 09:53 AM	#6
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: Stop the Run! Originally Posted by biloxi-indian x, Not sure anyone can make total sense except for the Saints FO. They have the personnel plan...not us fans. That being said, to use your illustration; If you "believe" your brakes will be going out in the not too distant future and they come on "SUPER SALE" at Pep Boys, you might want to buy them in order to save mucho $$$$$ for the day when the brakes do go out! I remember a comment Loomis made several years back..."a NFL team has approximate 25% personnel/player turnover each year"! btw; don't fret too much, we have cuts coming and some good players will become available. Not to mention trades. Remember how we got Shockey in June? I know things can still happen. However this being an uncapped year we are sevrerly restricted to what things "Could Happen"...which is why i worry.

04-26-2010, 10:05 AM	#7
biloxi-indian Site Donor Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Southlake, TX Posts: 1,706	Re: Stop the Run! Originally Posted by x626xBlack I know things can still happen. However this being an uncapped year we are sevrerly restricted to what things "Could Happen"...which is why i worry. Please explain what you mean by "severely restricted". TIA

04-26-2010, 10:36 AM	#8
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: Stop the Run! Originally Posted by biloxi-indian Please explain what you mean by "severely restricted". TIA Rules for Uncapped year restrict the Free Agent options for the top 8 and Final 4. 2010: An uncapped year odyssey The rule will restrict the final eight teams in the playoffs from signing free agents. The final four teams shall not be permitted to negotiate and sign any unrestricted free agent to a player contract except for players who acquired their status by being cut or were on the final four team when their contract expired. Playoff teams five thru eight get a break to sign one player with a salary of $4,925,000 or more and any number of players with a first-year salary of no more than $3,275,000 and an annual increase of no more than 30 percent in the following years. There is a mechanism to permit the final eight teams to sign an unrestricted free agent for each one of their own unrestricted free agents who sign with another club as long as they don't spend more than what their own lost player received from his new club. 5. The Final Eight Rule The Saints, Colts, Vikings and Jets were the final four teams standing in 2009. They really can't sign any big free agents unless they lose a player and he signs for big money. For example, if Taylor signed with a team other than Minnesota for $6 million a year, the Vikings could then sign an unrestricted free agent for up to $6 million a year. Players like L.T. and Westbrook, who were released, do not factor into this rule and could be aggressively pursued by the final four. The next four teams left standing -- San Diego, Baltimore, Arizona and Dallas -- can each sign one big free agent for $5.8 million, but have restrictions after that. Don't expect much action from the final eight teams standing in last year's postseason. Expect uncapped year to lead to conservative free agency period

04-26-2010, 12:34 PM	#9
biloxi-indian Site Donor Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Southlake, TX Posts: 1,706	Re: Stop the Run! Originally Posted by x626xBlack Rules for Uncapped year restrict the Free Agent options for the top 8 and Final 4. 2010: An uncapped year odyssey Expect uncapped year to lead to conservative free agency period Thanks. However, it does not apply to released/cut players (now happening) plus the rule will be lifted in either late June or July (not sure of the specific date). Anyway, IMHO this rule does not "significantly restrict" the Saints. Look at the Alex Brown signing...released by Bears not due to production but likely due to the HIGH cost of signing Peppers. Just a matter of $$$$$$. Just trying to provide another perspective so you can sleep at night! lolololol

04-26-2010, 12:59 PM	#10
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: Stop the Run! Not sure where you found that the rule is lifted for the final 4 any time? It is the Final 4 rule you need to worry about. We had to loose a Free Agent (Fujita) to gain Alex Brown. We could not get Brown for more than we paid Fujita. Unless we loose another Free Agent, we are done. Read Final Four rules: Super Bowl champion New Orleans Saints – can sign unrestricted free agents only if they lose unrestricted free agents. Saints can sign the same number of unrestricted free agents as the number of their own unrestricted free agents who signed with other clubs. NFLLabor.com Frequently Asked Questions ? Tender and ?Final Eight? Rules I call that significantly restricted.