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BrooksMustGo · 09-29-2003, 09:36 PM

Hey bud,

You've always got good thoughts. What should we do given this point in the season? What options are open to us? Is there any way to right the ship?

I'm still stuck in my football Vietnam funk right now, so I'm not very constructive.

PS--Did Billy have a stroke or something?

[Edited on 30/9/2003 by BrooksMustGo]

saintz08 · 09-29-2003, 10:03 PM

Think Billy got a little overstuffed on crow , he had quite a bit left over after the Colts game . Looks like he will be eating leftovers for awhile .

1. Put Venturi in the box . Have him review photo\'s or something . Haslett must take control of the defense to reestablish any control . He must assume full resposibility for defensive practice and play calling throughout the game .

2. Mc Carthy has to come out firing in Carolina , if Brooks cannot get the passes deep then move to Bouman . Bouman has struggled at times , so he needs the majority of snaps in practice this week .

3. Replace Smith with Kijana Carter , a thunder and lightning combo will make the defensive coordinator of the Panthers rethink his plan .

4. Sit Stallworth , he has earned the pine ride and Pathon is capable of playing .

A few off hand .....

WhoDat · 09-29-2003, 11:38 PM

I agree with all of these. I\'d go a step or two... or four... further.

5. Blitz 60+ percent of the downs. We are getting torn up in the \"read and react\" BS system. That is made worse by the fact that we\'ve got a Division IAA team playing defense for us. Just send the house and hope you can get the other team to make enough mistakes.

6. Come out in the hurry up offense and don\'t stop until you\'ve scored a minimum of 24 points. This team needs to spread defenses and play with urgency. How can this team possibly stop a lineup that contains Horn, Pathon, Stallworth, Conwell, and Deuce? I don\'t care who the QB is - you spread the field and don\'t let the D make substitutions with that lineup and we WILL score.

7. Throw the ball more than 7 yards down the field. That doesn\'t necessarily mean air it out every play, but where the hell are the 15 yard outs, or the deep crosses?

8. RUN THE WEDGE TO THE MIDDLE.... Note: that\'s MIDDLE... of the field!!!!! Lewis has run just about EVERY return to the right sideline. Last night he ran all the way across the field to run through the wedge two yards off the right sideline. When you do that you HELP the defense. They can converge on the sideline and Lewis has nowhere to go. Run it to the MIDDLE and let him cut any which way he wants!!! This pisses me off to no end. Jesus - how F*cking hard is it to figure this out?!!!!!

lumm0x · 09-30-2003, 01:13 AM

No offense to your buddy Jake here WhoDat, but you are right that this is the time to send the heat at the QB. Jake is still a very inexperienced QB in this league and we need to be in his face to force errant throws and get turnovers. For once we need to win the turnover battle. Our only hope in this game against Carolina is to have a signifigant field position advantage throughout the game. They are going to run Stephen Davis down our throats and oddly enough it\'s the rush defense that has the most success so far. But it will open up their play action and that will kill us. Get all front 7 hitting the gaps and play the RB and the QB on every snap.

We are by no means going to establish a ball control position on the Panthers defense and it\'s futile to try. Saying that, it is likely that is what McCarthy will want to do. Carolina\'s secondary looks good because their D-line is so dominant. Spread formations to draw nickel umbrella coverage and isolate man match-ups. Like you said, no one should be able to match up against us and expect to win that battle. You get the downfield passing game working and Deuce can run draws on the front four that will leave them sucking wind. He will eat those DB\'s alive when he hits the secondary. Carolina needs to be put in the position to have two choices: 1) Get nickel and dime coverage in to match our outside speed and make their DB\'s tackle Deuce, or 2) stay at the 4-3 and get exploited in coverage.

saintz08 · 09-30-2003, 02:43 AM

If Haslett is going to attempt to salvage any part of the season , it is going to be through disciple , leadership and execution .

If I am Halett I want separation between the lines , defense left and offense right . I want Mc Carthy in the lines working with the team . I want Mc Carthy to stimulate conversation between the players ( Horn says they are playing 10 yards off me , get me the ball on the slant ) make the adjustment and give Brooks the 411 ..... Man jumps off sides Mc Carthy finds out why ??? I am Mike Mc Carthy and this is my system , players you are accountible to me , BOOM .

Mike Sheppard is promoted to assistant head coach / Quarterbacks coach . Do not underestimate the value of experience . Sheppard has it and it can be useful to Haslett .

Haslett works the trenches with the defense .
Mc Carthy works the trenches with the offense .
Sheppard is assistant and keeps them aware .

No more standing there watching the team collape , polishing your rehearsed speech of injuries and we do not know what is wrong we are not playing well .

Get in and get it done .

WhoDat · 09-30-2003, 07:48 AM

Gator - I agree, but Lewis got to the sidelines after cuts. Most kick returns that go the distance look they same. They are sort of diamond shaped. The returner hits the wedge and cuts one way or the other, beats everyone to the outside, and then outruns them down the sideline. There aren\'t a whole lot that start on the sideline and go untouched all the way down it. Occassionally there\'s a punt return that looks like that, but rarely kickoffs.... but I get your point. I think we\'re on the same page here.

Lumm0x, 08... agreed completely.

TheOriginalSwampdog · 09-30-2003, 03:52 PM

Laughable really. McCarthy is totally lost at this point and \"come out firing\" isn\'t in our vocabulary. We should be looking ahead to next years draft and coaching prospects. That\'s really all we have to look forward to at this point.

BigBull45 · 09-30-2003, 04:01 PM

This season really is a waste.Haslett has lost this team,and I don\'t see him getting it back.Haslett is as confused as the rest of us,and he has no one to turn to for advice.The people above him don\'t have a clue.I\'ll bet Mickey Loomis couldn\'t tell you what our strengths and weaknesses are on either side of the ball.Benson surely doesn\'t know.The players are looking to Haslett who can\'t give them an answer.Incompetence from top to bottom.

TheOriginalSwampdog · 09-30-2003, 04:23 PM

Right on, man. Couldn\'t have said it any better. I\'ve already ordered my Ourlads for next years draft.

Saintsfan4ever · 10-01-2003, 12:55 AM

WhoDat!....amen brother, I said basically the same as #6 in another thread. WE MUST BLITZ THE QB! and keep blitzing until the other team is trying to figure out which way we`re coming from this time, instead of wondering which corner they`re going to burn next. (why did we not go after Peyton every down? did daddy pay Haz off?)
It`s almost like we had no plan going into this season. We have no trickery plays. Can`t we run a flea flick, a reverse, snap to Duece...something? We can`t even flood a side on an on-side-kick for crying out loud.
I`m hoping Haz is realizing that his game plan (if he had one) is poop. Time for a new plan.

09-29-2003, 09:36 PM	#1
BrooksMustGo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,762	Saintz08 Hey bud, You've always got good thoughts. What should we do given this point in the season? What options are open to us? Is there any way to right the ship? I'm still stuck in my football Vietnam funk right now, so I'm not very constructive. PS--Did Billy have a stroke or something? [Edited on 30/9/2003 by BrooksMustGo]

09-29-2003, 10:03 PM	#2
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Saintz08 Think Billy got a little overstuffed on crow , he had quite a bit left over after the Colts game . Looks like he will be eating leftovers for awhile . 1. Put Venturi in the box . Have him review photo\'s or something . Haslett must take control of the defense to reestablish any control . He must assume full resposibility for defensive practice and play calling throughout the game . 2. Mc Carthy has to come out firing in Carolina , if Brooks cannot get the passes deep then move to Bouman . Bouman has struggled at times , so he needs the majority of snaps in practice this week . 3. Replace Smith with Kijana Carter , a thunder and lightning combo will make the defensive coordinator of the Panthers rethink his plan . 4. Sit Stallworth , he has earned the pine ride and Pathon is capable of playing . A few off hand .....
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	\"Americans play to win at all times. I wouldn\'t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed.\" - George S. Patton On another note, I\'ll take a bite of that crow 08. - Saintfan Brooks is a moron!! - Halo

09-29-2003, 11:38 PM	#3
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Saintz08 I agree with all of these. I\'d go a step or two... or four... further. 5. Blitz 60+ percent of the downs. We are getting torn up in the \"read and react\" BS system. That is made worse by the fact that we\'ve got a Division IAA team playing defense for us. Just send the house and hope you can get the other team to make enough mistakes. 6. Come out in the hurry up offense and don\'t stop until you\'ve scored a minimum of 24 points. This team needs to spread defenses and play with urgency. How can this team possibly stop a lineup that contains Horn, Pathon, Stallworth, Conwell, and Deuce? I don\'t care who the QB is - you spread the field and don\'t let the D make substitutions with that lineup and we WILL score. 7. Throw the ball more than 7 yards down the field. That doesn\'t necessarily mean air it out every play, but where the hell are the 15 yard outs, or the deep crosses? 8. RUN THE WEDGE TO THE MIDDLE.... Note: that\'s MIDDLE... of the field!!!!! Lewis has run just about EVERY return to the right sideline. Last night he ran all the way across the field to run through the wedge two yards off the right sideline. When you do that you HELP the defense. They can converge on the sideline and Lewis has nowhere to go. Run it to the MIDDLE and let him cut any which way he wants!!! This pisses me off to no end. Jesus - how F*cking hard is it to figure this out?!!!!!
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

09-30-2003, 01:13 AM	#4
lumm0x Resident antediluvian Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 2,026	Saintz08 No offense to your buddy Jake here WhoDat, but you are right that this is the time to send the heat at the QB. Jake is still a very inexperienced QB in this league and we need to be in his face to force errant throws and get turnovers. For once we need to win the turnover battle. Our only hope in this game against Carolina is to have a signifigant field position advantage throughout the game. They are going to run Stephen Davis down our throats and oddly enough it\'s the rush defense that has the most success so far. But it will open up their play action and that will kill us. Get all front 7 hitting the gaps and play the RB and the QB on every snap. We are by no means going to establish a ball control position on the Panthers defense and it\'s futile to try. Saying that, it is likely that is what McCarthy will want to do. Carolina\'s secondary looks good because their D-line is so dominant. Spread formations to draw nickel umbrella coverage and isolate man match-ups. Like you said, no one should be able to match up against us and expect to win that battle. You get the downfield passing game working and Deuce can run draws on the front four that will leave them sucking wind. He will eat those DB\'s alive when he hits the secondary. Carolina needs to be put in the position to have two choices: 1) Get nickel and dime coverage in to match our outside speed and make their DB\'s tackle Deuce, or 2) stay at the 4-3 and get exploited in coverage.

09-30-2003, 02:43 AM	#5
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Saintz08 If Haslett is going to attempt to salvage any part of the season , it is going to be through disciple , leadership and execution . If I am Halett I want separation between the lines , defense left and offense right . I want Mc Carthy in the lines working with the team . I want Mc Carthy to stimulate conversation between the players ( Horn says they are playing 10 yards off me , get me the ball on the slant ) make the adjustment and give Brooks the 411 ..... Man jumps off sides Mc Carthy finds out why ??? I am Mike Mc Carthy and this is my system , players you are accountible to me , BOOM . Mike Sheppard is promoted to assistant head coach / Quarterbacks coach . Do not underestimate the value of experience . Sheppard has it and it can be useful to Haslett . Haslett works the trenches with the defense . Mc Carthy works the trenches with the offense . Sheppard is assistant and keeps them aware . No more standing there watching the team collape , polishing your rehearsed speech of injuries and we do not know what is wrong we are not playing well . Get in and get it done .
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	\"Americans play to win at all times. I wouldn\'t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed.\" - George S. Patton On another note, I\'ll take a bite of that crow 08. - Saintfan Brooks is a moron!! - Halo

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09-30-2003, 07:48 AM	#6
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Saintz08 Gator - I agree, but Lewis got to the sidelines after cuts. Most kick returns that go the distance look they same. They are sort of diamond shaped. The returner hits the wedge and cuts one way or the other, beats everyone to the outside, and then outruns them down the sideline. There aren\'t a whole lot that start on the sideline and go untouched all the way down it. Occassionally there\'s a punt return that looks like that, but rarely kickoffs.... but I get your point. I think we\'re on the same page here. Lumm0x, 08... agreed completely.
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

09-30-2003, 03:52 PM	#7
TheOriginalSwampdog 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 215	Saintz08 Laughable really. McCarthy is totally lost at this point and \"come out firing\" isn\'t in our vocabulary. We should be looking ahead to next years draft and coaching prospects. That\'s really all we have to look forward to at this point.

09-30-2003, 04:01 PM	#8
BigBull45 100th Post Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 128	Saintz08 This season really is a waste.Haslett has lost this team,and I don\'t see him getting it back.Haslett is as confused as the rest of us,and he has no one to turn to for advice.The people above him don\'t have a clue.I\'ll bet Mickey Loomis couldn\'t tell you what our strengths and weaknesses are on either side of the ball.Benson surely doesn\'t know.The players are looking to Haslett who can\'t give them an answer.Incompetence from top to bottom.
BigBull45 100th Post Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 128

09-30-2003, 04:23 PM	#9
TheOriginalSwampdog 100th Post Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 215	Saintz08 Right on, man. Couldn\'t have said it any better. I\'ve already ordered my Ourlads for next years draft.

10-01-2003, 12:55 AM	#10
Saintsfan4ever 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Moss Point, MS Posts: 612 Blog Entries: 1	Saintz08 WhoDat!....amen brother, I said basically the same as #6 in another thread. WE MUST BLITZ THE QB! and keep blitzing until the other team is trying to figure out which way we`re coming from this time, instead of wondering which corner they`re going to burn next. (why did we not go after Peyton every down? did daddy pay Haz off?) It`s almost like we had no plan going into this season. We have no trickery plays. Can`t we run a flea flick, a reverse, snap to Duece...something? We can`t even flood a side on an on-side-kick for crying out loud. I`m hoping Haz is realizing that his game plan (if he had one) is poop. Time for a new plan.
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