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11.8 mill. in a capped year its a major restructure or trade that would never happen or part ways. is it because of the uncapped year?

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also been in the league a year longer

also has more 20+ yard carries than the other

this is an opinion.......its not your money....who gives a ****

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Okay....since you really want to go there...........

Pierre Thomas Career stats (3 years):

Rushing: 1670 yds on 328 attempts (5.1 yds/carry), 16 rushing TD's & 3 fumbles.

Reggie Bush Career stats (4 years):

Rushing: 1940 yds on 488 attempts (4.0 yds/carry), 17 rushing TD's & 17 fumbles.

Dude.....the numbers don't lie & neither do my eyes when I'm at the games watching. Get off Reggie's nuts & watch the games!

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i didnt say that your post was untrue......i just pointed out a few omissions from your post

oh and im not one of those guys that feels reggie is better than PT or the other way around

who gives a ****....they both play for the same team and they both do well when they are on the field.....its not like there is less production because one guy is on the bench when another is on the field

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St.t thanks for clarifying amount total. I'm not understanding your question totally. Not that I could answer it but I'll try and give an opinion.

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You look pretty nerdy to me LMMFBAO, Logic you'v gotta be the biggest hater a home team has ever had. Even Gayle Sayers would say so, Reggie Bush is a transitioning player hes finding out how to play the NFL game, He works perfectly with what SP wants to use him for he just hold the position of RB so he maximize his touches. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU IF NOT REREAD Until lightbulb comes on, that said, I like PT's running hes just a hard working guy you have to appreciate that doesnt complain just goes and gives it his best shot. Reggie is just as solid, Hes a heart stopper in the open field and is just electric, he does turn me off when he runs outta bounds sometimes but the world keeps turning, to accurately decide who is better ask your self this would u rather have to worry about PT or Reggie Bush??? thought so, I say the one wearing the Gold helmet is the best

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Agreed.... But you're still missing my point. Reggie is making more than the elite RB's of the NFL, and hell..... he's not even the best RB on the team. My point, to begin with, is that there are other areas of need that we could be spending that money....DT, OLB, etc... Do I want to have the guy on the team? Hell Yes.... He's a threat w/ freakish speed & athleticism. Do I think he should be making what he's asking for? Hell No..... He hasn't earned that kind of pay day yet.

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Being he gets the 8 million this year, and had recieved 2.5 mil and some change last season put him a little over 5 mil average in two years which isn't all that ridiculous in my opinion.Now the cap hit next year we would take wouldn't be worth it by no means. Do we restructure by using a extension?pete carroll will probably come to reggies financial rescue if not in my opinion.
I do believe reggie is coming around being that he's gaining the needed strength,mentality,and tenaciousness to evolve into a more efficient running back/recieving threat out of backfield/punt returner;all the while him understanding his role on our team.now the money 11.8.. ouch..

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all these money arguments are unproductive, if your not cutting checks STFU... I could understand if reggie was pulling a charles grant then you could complain but if you truly are saints fans and watch the games you can see reggie's value, his contract is a product of being selected #2 overall.

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What do I know? LOL

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+1 for u exactly how i feel...

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I'm just curious. Did Deuce make any where near, what Bush is making, in his entire career as a Saint? He wasn't a number 2 pick, but he was first round, and a better RB in all facets of the game. And I'm tired of this BS, that "Reggie won us a ring." You guys act like he single handedly, went out, and won it by himself, with no help from anyone. I will say this, and I don't care if you agree or not. Thomas is WAY better on screen plays than Reggie. For all of his athleticism, he sure has a hard time following blocks, and finding open holes. But whatever, he'll be gone next year anyway, and we can finally be done with this debate once and for all.

And Canton, you are going to have to refresh my "old fart" memory, of which starting elite RBs, that you remember returning punts.... I've watched football since 78, and I can't remember any star RBs, that were on permanent punt return duty, once they established themselves as starting RBs..... In fact, I can't think of one that's in the league right now.

Oh, and one more thing, I believe it was our DEFENSE, that bailed his butt out, in the NFC Championship game, when he kept muffing punts.

He is NOT a consistently elite player guys. He has flashes, and maybe one good game, every five. He has NEVER in my recollection, put together two one hundred yard ground games, since he got here, and how many seasons has he had over a thousand yards rushing? Never. I don't wanna hear "all purpose" crap, I don't wanna hear, "he's not that kind of player". If that's true, then change his gd position name, because if that's the case he's NOT a running back. Call him a WR, or make up something else. Dalton Hilliard was more productive in the ground game!

I don't care about the money aspect. I'm just tired of the Bush apologists in here, blowing him up to something he isn't, and never will be.

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Yes you did...

"It's not that complicated and y'all are being too sensitive. We are overpaying for Bush and can't afford the much needed and worth it Sharper.... why is it tragic to compare the two together? I just can't stand reading about salary limits preventing Sharpers return, knowing how much Reggie is robbing the saints for..... don't know how y'all can, but that's you .....sometimes, ignorance is bliss!"

HintOfLogic 04-09-2010, 04:11 PM

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leon washington
maurice jones drew
darren sproles
reggie bush
brian westbrook

just to name a few that play now

but i was talking about in years past

guys like gale sayers
johnny roland
brian mitchell(all time leader in punt return yardage)

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Of the above mentioned current RB's, which are you considering "elite" & worthy of "elite" RB salary????

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AMEN, brother......AMEN!!!! You sir, have hit the nail on the head.

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Ok, first off, Sproles hasn't been an every down back, since he got in the league. He was a third down back, behind LT, and he certainly wasn't making more money than LT. We will see how many punts he returns this year, if he is the feature back.

Westbrook has had how many concussions? How many complete seasons has he played? Nuff said. Feature back yes. Retiring because of it, yes, most definately.

Jones-Drew, is the only one on this list, that I would consider elite, at this point, and if you look at his ground production this past season, he FINALLY had a 1000 yards on the ground, because his return duties were actually limited. If you look at his return yards, compared to previous years, he only had 312 I believe.

Now, let me get to names I would consider "elite". Chris Johnson, Matt Forte, Stephen Jackson, Thomas Jones. I don't think any of those guys are returning punts bro. I also never remember seeing Emmit Smith, Walter Payton, or Roger Craig, pulling punt duties either, after they established themselves as feature backs. Bush, is NOT a feature back, and not even in the same league with any of those guys.

Besides Sayers bro, I don't remember any of those other names you mentioned off the top of my head.

I would trade Bush, for a healthy, in his prime Deuce McCallister, any day of the week, and twice on Sunday. And I wouldn't have a problem paying him 8 million dollars either. But, that's just me. I haven't drank the Kool Aid on Bush I guess.

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Punt Return vs. Expendable Back debate.....

Reggie is ONLY returning punts because he proved a let down as a "featured" back.... thus (aside from monetary commitments) is that much more expendable. And spare me the "he's just such a threat he's just got to return punts" because that's just a pure delusion. Aside from my constant frustration watching Reggie almost always being out of sync which what to do and when while returning... fair catching when a lane space and a lane is available, not fair catching with "d" breathing down his throat, muffing, etc... just check the stats, he SUCKS! See where he sits among leagues other PR guys stats. Michael Lewis made a ton of TD's and also consistently, YET he ALSO almost always was atop the league with Yards per Return avg. This means, when he wasn't making rogue TD's, he was getting 20, 30, 40 yd returns, regularly.... unlike Reggie, who's few and far between TD's paired with a TON of returns for losses, muffs, fumbles.... etc. ..have more than gratified the eager Bush fanatic who dismiss all the below par play for the one per year highlight reel moment.

Does anyone here REALLY believe that if Reggie was producing like everyone (don't double talk now, EVERYONE) thought he would, a'la Tomlinson, T. Jones, etc.... that he would still be returning punts? If so, you don't understand the game. His allocation to full-time PR is the direct result of his insignificance in the rushing game.

On that note..... say Reggie becomes unavailable.... like an unnecessary injury sustained during PR duties. What do you think happens to Sean Payton's gameplan??? shall we discuss? I recall a handful of games where Reggie was put into the gameplan ineffectively to find himself pulled early on and found himself tugging at his shoulder pads behind Payton the remainder of the games... and this was last year, our superbowl run year.

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so, without checking.... I assume you had no comments in regards to resigning Sharper and at what price was reasonable... right?

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I've re-read what I posted, quoted about half a dozen times..... not only are you paraphrasing, or chopping a small snippet of my whole, large argument out, but even still.... it just reiterates my point you questioned in the first place:

"..... I complained that it makes no sense that the majority of posters were getting vocal and opinionated about Sharper wanting "too much" money along with what "they" thought was too much. I found it hypocritical (at the least) that all of the concerns for money vs. value when Reggie is set to be the highest paid RB in the NFL. And I questioned, would resigning Sharper be such a big deal if Reggie wasn't such a hit on the wallet?"

My point was PLAIN AND SIMPLE, I couldn't stand hearing all the B&G knowledgeable.... popping up with their concerns for how much money the (int leading, HOF headed, pro-bowl) safety Sharper was seeking meanwhile the very same vocal people are and were deliberately disconcerned with the fact that Reggie Bush (proven limited) was set to be the highest paid RB and even highest paid Saint.

I ASSURE YOU, If I thought that Reggie's salary was an final hindrance to Sharper getting resigned.... I would have come right out and said it. Do I not seem direct enough to you? My point was with unnecessary vocal concerns for money for one guy, but blatant lack of concern for the next guys.... you know that! But thanks for reading my post anyways ;)

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To this, I salute you ;)

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..... this is typical back-pedaling, subject changing, rhetoric of the modern day Bush fanatic. I'm certain if Reggie actually was the teams bada$$, elite player (like our teams T. Jones or Tomlinson) and played the featured role as expected... that all these "whatever" people would be constantly assuring interest in his counterparts that Reggie is the Man and you can't F--- with a good thing etc. The fact is, there is now little to no argument as to why Reggie should be the man and little argument

So, "I don't care, they both play for the same team" only sounds good, because there is no longer any valid argument for Reggie to be featured. I've seen arguments for the last 4 years in defense of Reggie and supporting the fact that he should get the majority of touches and that Pierre is a second string for a reason, and Pierre couldn't carry Reggie jock strap...etc...... well, as the roles have changed.... now, no Reggie fanatic cares, because they both play for the saints, right!

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bah.....you figured me out....i might as well just pack it in and go home

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Hey we got Sharper and Reggie..and fixing to lock down P.T..so lets see what unfolds..my biggest worry was Sharper ...

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Pierre T avgs 4.0 yards per carry, longest run 12 yards

Reggie B avgs 6.9 yards per carry, longest run 46 yards

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Rushing: 33 ATT - 188 YDS - 5.6 YPC - 2 TD
Receiving: 20 REC - 249 YDS - 12.4 YPC - 2 TD
Returning: 10 RET - 144 YDS - 14.4 YPR- 1 TD

Longest TD Run in Saints playoff history..Reggie Bush (46 YDS)
Longest TD Rec in Saints playoff history..Reggie Bush (88 YDS)
Longest TD Ret in Saints playoff history..Reggie Bush (83 YDS

Reggie is better than he gets credit for...look at his playoff numbers..

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Another thread turned into a Bush debate.:rolleyes:

Next.

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+ 1

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I agree..dude is constantly being bashed or defended...

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Bush apologist here. (its all good, guys, my wife argues this with me too.)

Reggie is a walking highlight reel. He scores touchdowns, and he's a threat to take it to the house on any play, which is why sometimes he dances. You have high-percentage passing, right, you know, short, settle-for-a-couple-of-yards passes into the flat, right? Well Reggie is a "low-percentage" run, which by my logic makes him a long bomb! (bomb as in long pass, not like a bad movie) Yeah, he's gonna get a loss sometimes, but so did Barry Freakin Sanders.

Some guys score from the 5 by running over DB's. Reggie just jumps to the EZ. Does it matter? He jumps. He scores. Reggie is a part of New Orleans Saints history, and had a good chunk in saving our team from moving to San Antonio. Remember? Remember when they said we wouldnt buy tickets? Remember, "With the 2nd pick of the 2006 draft, the New Orleans Saints select...." ?

That, and he's had Kim K's lips around Oscar Meyer, which impresses me greatly. How many guys can say... ok, dont answer that. But I know your fat butt cant.

Reggie is a hero, and one of the faces of our franchise, and he brings us a lot of spotlight, and thats a good thing. So dont hate.

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PIERRE! The most underrated running back in the NFL, maybe because he has the unfortunate name Pierre, which people just dont equate with an NFL star. Seriously, rename the man "Trumaine," and hes on every other shoe commercial, the cover of Madden, and banging on at least Kloe, or possibly the other sister, who is hotter anyway. Watch his TD run at the Patriots game this year, and tell me he's an ordinary man. Look at the shock he absorbed going over the pile vs. Minnesota for the most important first down in our history. Power, speed, good hands, actually really good hands, and effective a the critical phase of the game that you armchair field generals dont see: QB Protection. Pierre came out of nowhere to be a Super Bowl star runner, unseating high draft picks, and loafers. He made highlights ever week when Reggie didnt.

And look at the smile on that young man. Wow, what a winner! Pierre was just finished working out in Mississippi training camp, soaked in sweat after the 105 degree workout. Nobody knew who he was or where he came from, and even fewer expected him to stay suited in a Saints Uniform come Opening Day. But there he was--- too good to ignore, the uninvited guy who just wouldnt go away. So its 400 degrees in Jackson, and the stars have gone to the whirpool, he stands there after practice and signs And poses for pictures with my kids, as if he was happy to do it. I love PT and you should too. Im rooting for him.

So, has it occured to yall that there are 45 spots on the roster, and plenty of room for Piere and Reggie? We kinda need 2 running backs at least. There really is room for both.

...And stop getting all SaintsReport-y with each other... You know the Indians considered debate to be for women. Im ready to buy soma yall a box of mini-pads. geez, I swear one of you is really rebdouche from over there.

thats all.
Love, me

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I think I've made my position, as clear as I can. "I" believe,and if you don't that's fine, that's what's called difference of opinion, that Bush is by far THE MOST OVERRATED RB, in the NFL. Since the end of 06, every year, is SUPPOSED to be his "breakout year", and I haven't seen it. Was he a piece to the puzzle, of our superbowl run, yes. Was he the reason WHY we got there, and won? NO. He is just another player, on a great team. Like I said before, if he is going to be a star RB, then star RBs, in my opinion, should have at least ONE thousand yard season under his belt, in four years. And not all purpose, ON THE GROUND. He hasn't caught even a whiff of a pro bowl, and yet he's the second most sponsored NFL player, behind only Peyton Manning. Now that I find, completely ludicrous. He's a Saint? Great. I'm glad he is, and yes, he has impressed me on occasions, with his athleticism, but that's it. I don't hate the guy, I just don't think he's what alot of people make him out to be. Decoy, schmecoy, if your going to make claims that you are an elite player, then back it up. If not, then be a role player, which is exactly what he is. Nothing more.

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well you do have nice knockers, I have to give you credit.

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eh hem...those are called "Fun Bags" I've learned recently. :banana:

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Heh heh heh.... Like those huh? And those babies are real!!!

I will be more than willing to change my last name to Hayek....

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"Reggie Bush can run the ball..."

I have a story behind that, but it is just too stupid even for me...

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I wasn't paraphrasing anything to make a point. You asked if you had made that statement, thereby implying you hadn't. I just pointed out that you did. That is about as simple as it gets. And whatever your original point was you tried to prove it by saying Reggie's contract had an impact on us signing Sharper. Not only was there no evidence to support this, there was actually evidence to disprove it.

If some people here made comments about what Sharper was or wasn't worth it was because of one main reason....he wasn't under contract and was seeking to sign a deal. With his statements about not feeling the love and wanting a franchise tag he opened himself to debate about what he was worth. Apparently most of the other teams in the NFL agreed with the Saints as he re-signed with us for far less than the franchise tag offer amount he was seeking.

This is in contrast to two other players from last year. Grant and Bush. Both were still under contract at the end of the season. This was very different from Sharper's situation. The FO decided that Grant was not worth what he was scheduled to make. He was therefore released. The FO decided Bush was worth what he was scheduled to make. So, they decided to retain him for next season.

If you disagree with this decision that's fine. It's a valid opinion. But to act like it is blatantly obvious that he is making too much money and that anyone who does not agree with this is blind is amazingly arrogant. It is basically saying that your opinion is better than that of other fans here and it is better than the people making the personnel decisions for the Saints (the people who decided to pay him the money this year and lead us to the SB last year). If you really believe this, then I urge you to apply for a job in the NFL. I know the Raiders could use your help.

It's been said before, but Bush's salary was pretty much determined by his draft position. So harping on his money is a moot point. A better question regarding him is weather he should have been drafted where he was; not is he making too much. For all who want to say it was a terrible pick, just remember that there are recent picks out there that have been much worse (the two QBs picked by the Bay Area California teams come to mind quickly.)

As far as PT goes, because the thread title is about him I will mention his name and that I am very glad that he was on the team last year and I hope he is on the team for a long time.

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I would also like to say, in my opinion of course, that Brees is the face of the Saints, as he should be. Someone needs to notice that Brees is a freak of a football player, and get him some endorsement deals. Bush is still cashing in on his college days, that have been over for some time now.

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TRUE DAT!!!!!!!!!!

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lmao, ya hang them in front of reggie, he'll get that 1000 yard season.

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Somebody please give St. Michael reps for this post. I tried but says I got to spread the love around first. Anyway...I really enjoyed this post.