Re: Pierre Thomas is the Saints best back & a true fan favorite
 

WHAT was all of that?????

so, you're basically telling me "he's a player in transition of finding out how to play the NFL game (4 years later)".... yet.... YET here you are quick to get offensive to criticism about him??? Maybe, seeing seeing your sympathetic outlook on his ongoing period of transition, just maybe you would actually be open minded enough to not get insulted or take offensive to criticism towards him in light of the fact that, as you said, he's still trying to figure out the game 4 years later, eh?

Not to mention all the sh!t you babbled out is nothing short of thoughtless rhetoric that quickly becomes fact in large Reggie Bush apologists circles. I could dissect your statements apart but I'm learning that you can debate with indifference, but not ignorance. You're a true idiot! I actually feel sorry for all Bush apologists collectively that you're speaking in their behalf.

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The point being.... I got pissed that everyone started getting vocal and became negotiators in regards to Sharper's return and at what cost. Everyone thought he wanted too much. A majority took the offensive, stating he can just walk (stupid Saints fans, whatever). The point AGAIN.... everyone CARED about Sharper in DIRECT regards to MONEY. That's it, Sharper and money.

First off, we are an unarguably better team with Sharper. I am not the type to get directly critical about dollar amounts. I wanted... needed Sharper back. I could give a f*** at what cost it took.

I dropped in to remind people how silly (and hypocritical) it is to talk chump change about our best defensive player when Benson is just funneling money to Reggie's account. Point being, apparently Benson's spending, so why loose a HOF'er, post one of his best years due to haggling when we see that he's capable of writing big checks.... not to mention, the pure hypocrisy of over-concern with Sharpers dollars with lack of concern for Bush when (at least the slightly more knowledgeable) know that contracts can change year to year regardless.

You can't just tell me that Bush's contract is pre-arranged so we can't care / comment.... yet, Sharper is in negotiation so it's fair to talk CHEAP!.... because to me, that's exactly what you're saying. It's not limited to that and you know this.... Just like Grant, sh!t changes. Also, you can't tell me that we know that there hasn't been silent agreements and restructuring behind closed doors with Bush to come back for less.... it'd be in both's best interest and in both's best interest to remain discrete.

I agree with a lot of your points in regards to milking high draft contracts and all of that..... I get that, and you know that, and you're a sharp guy.... and know, I understand this....

But, with everyone expressing disgust at Sharpers attempt at financial gain, or "cashing in" (which BTW, EVERY PLAYER DOES these days), meanwhile dismissing any concern with wanting to see Bush "Restructure" for fair dollars based on his production.... was not only ignorant, but football ignorant favoritism.... and in my view star-struck, jaded and not best for the team.... and yes, my arrogant opinion. Arrogant because I can't see it any other way.... and until you can convince me why everyone popping up saying "Sharper's not worth X amount of dollars" and getting personally concerned with what he seeks financially, yet not the least concerned with seeing Bush's contract restructured

and you can spare me the "what the FO thinks who just won a Superbowl, vs. what you think... so you must be wrong" cr@p... because 1. you know as well as I that the concern to retain Reggie lies just as much in his marketing and moral investment value as it does his production.... and 2. It was me, all along saying Pierre "Is our Guy" and just make him the man.... this formula is how we had a SB winning season. Look at the stats... look at Reggie's stats... NOTICE: Reggies touches have steadily declined to an all time low up through last year... OUR SB winning season. Yes, less Reggie, more PT = SB winning season. I've BEEN saying this whilst the all knowing and ever crowd pleasing "FO and Sean Payton" have been wasting drives trying to let Reggie "transition to the NFL" forcing him to be the featured back.

but in all, my jab at the Sharper dollars debate was fueled by the frustration that set me off at how quick the B&G nation could turn on a player like Sharper!!!!!

Re: Pierre Thomas is the Saints best back & a true fan favorite
 

thats a lot of words

Re: Pierre Thomas is the Saints best back & a true fan favorite
 

My thoughts on Sharper are " glad to have him back the issue was he wanted to be over paid the saints did not want to over pay him, that said I'm a N.O Saints fan, I support all players wearing the uniform when they leave or retire I'll remian a Saints fan the GM has to do whats in the best interest of the team and that was to offer Sharper a fair deal and upgrade the team instead of over paying a guy and possibly missing out on a player who can help the team win its called having cake and eating it... Enlightened??

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Did I not tell you that if your gonna call out TheVillain you need to be on point ??? I'm the idiot because you cant seem to understand small concepts I even drew a picture for you and you still cant seem to understand I dont know why I bother.... I use the term transitioning player because his running style has not translated to the pro game well so to become better he has to transform his running style and transition his skills to that hence the term "transitioning player" Was Drew Brees the monster he is his Rookie year?? 3 seasons later he started to shine because he transitioned his game meaning he was a transitioning player just because a guy has been in the leage a few years doesnt mean they automatically will be a stud ...You failed to learn from my posts all of which I know I effectively explained clearly, you get lost trying to over articulate yourself if you truly read my posts then youd know that your hypocrisy has been unproductive and a waste of time ...GOOD DAY SIR!!!!!

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And I do not take offense to the criticism he receives if i read something that is incorrect I try to enlighten whoever it is I suggest that you reread my posts and get your facts straight and change your name You have NO LOGIC IN ANYTHING YOU POST you are what the sports world calls a sports center fan stop watchin the ticker and watch the game understand the concepts. Id be glad to teach you the game I'm not against community service but leave your ignorance at home.

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The best way I can describe my thoughts after reading those last two posts, and I've used this before, is to refer the reader to the movie "North Dallas 40"...the scene is after they lost and the character played by John Matuszak goes-off on the coach, telling him,

"Just when the players call it a business, the coaches call it a game, and just when they players start calling it a game, the coaches call it a business."

He went on to totally ventilate himself on the coach in that locker room, and when he finished, Poot, the character played by Nick Nolte, exclaims...

"Far out, man!"

(reps to you if it lets me)

btw...if any of you have not seen that movie but are in fact a true fan of professional football, you must see that movie. It is actually based on a true story, and there are characters that represent Don Meredith (Mac Davis), Tom Landry (don't know the actor's name who played him), and a guy who I believe his name was Peter Gent. (Nick Nolte) Their names were different in the movie, but you knew who they were representing. Peter Gent was a guy who had great hands and moves, but apparently didn't do everything Tom Landry's way, so he didn't get the playing time he probably should have gotten. (That's the gist of the movie) Anyway, it is one of the most, if not the most realistic representation of pro football in a movie that I've ever seen.

Re: Pierre Thomas is the Saints best back & a true fan favorite
 

whoops... looks like I stumbled onto SR.com...

---You forgot to declare "victory," and solicit a "+1" from the gallery.

Re: Pierre Thomas is the Saints best back & a true fan favorite
 

The effectiveness of Reggie's "transitioning" involves him transitioning himself to the sidelines. Go back over the last three years.... look at Reggie's touches vs. Pierre's touches.... see if you don't notice a trend of Reggie riding the sideline more, while watching Pierre and even Bell keeping the chains moving.

The fact that he's played harder and focused the last four games (minus SB where he was more irrelevant) ..... do I:

1. get over-enthused because I've been waiting to see this for 4 overpaid years of his career, watching him play like the games biggest diva. or:

2. assume he was coming up on trade talks and criticism as irrelevant with Thomas and Bell carrying most of the load... while he was coming up on his biggest pay-out year, therefore expelled himself in order to retain his job?

Why now, after four years, he's realizing that he doesn't have to dart out of bounds, and that if he squares up he won't break, and he can actually gain more yards be moving vertical.... and then it's commendable by fans as if he's improving or learning the game? Can we just not say, he's played like a scarred diva up until now? And if that's the case, I'm not that easy to please.... I'm not flattered that he's willing to "play the game" now, I question why he's half-a$$ed up until now.... taking a free ride of overzealous fan appreciation to the minimal output he offers vs. the big play payout.

Re: Pierre Thomas is the Saints best back & a true fan favorite
 

that was a awesome movie. north dallas 40. and nick nolte played a partying drug using ,alcoholic with sweet hands. how did he pass a piss test is beyond me.

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He DID want too much. That was the point. He was in a contract year and asked for TOO MUCH MONEY. How dare fans point that out!!!!!!



We are unarguably a better team with Bush too. And he is not in a contract year. Yet you choose to drag him into conversations that have nothing to do with his contract status. I won't point out the folly of saying pay Sharper whatever he wants then to go and moan about Bush's contract. My 2 year old can see that. Instead, i will ask you this. For all your whining about it, what in terms of players we could not sign, salary cap restrictions, lost seats, closure of your favorite hot dog stand at the Dome, or any other made up reaaon youcan come up with has Reggie's contract cost us? Give me a solid reason why you gripe about it ALL THE TIME.

I'm going to try and make a subtle point here, I hope I am artistic enough. The crux of my issue with your posts is your attitude about being convinced you are right and insulting of those that disagree with you. I never said the front office was right because they won a SB. Instead, you have repeatedly said they are wrong. How? Because they are keeping Bush at the salary they are when they could choose not to. You can disagree with this and you may be right. But you have used words like "ignorance" to describe those that do not throw their hands up and shout with you "OVERPAID". I pointed out that the FO is among those that disagree. Big difference you choose to overlook.




No, you dropped in to moan about Reggie's contract like you always do. Nothing more.




Look at it this way. First, you have to take off your Bush hater glasses for a few seconds. At the end of the NFL season, the FO has to make a descision about every player on their roster. Some are under contract for the next year already, so the descision is as easy as "yes I want to keep that guy under his current deal or no I don't". Brees, Vilma, Grant, and Bush were all guys that fit this. After that, they move on to the guys (like Sharper) that are not under contract and are free agents. This is not a yes or no. It requires negotiation. So what you were doing with your Bush vs Sharper contract ragging is referred to as "comparing apples to oranges".


So, judging the current market status and saying a guy (again looking for a contract-not a guy under a deal) is not worth the franchise offer he wants and believing he should sign for less is turning on a player? Even when things happened exactly as those people you say turned on him said they would? Your turnng on Bush is a far bigger crime.

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Arguing with this fool is a waste of time hes biased and ecentric to his opinion.. Sharper is NOT THE BEST PLAYER on DEFENSE its Clearly Jon Vilma , Jabari Greer is #2 stop getting infatuated with stats Greer went down Shapers stats went down.

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Nice work, StM and VA. I give you temporary visual REP because I, once again, cannot give you permanent REP because it is too soon and I have to spread it out. FF...I asked you to fix that...wuzup widat?

The next few sentences I'm about to type are going to sound kinda stupid, but...I don't care. :)

To HoL...

Some of us just don't care how much money they pay Reggie...we just like him. We liked watching him in college and we were happy when the Saints drafted him. For me...it was much more than just getting Reggie Bush. For me...it was the FO telling me, "OK...we're going to start spending money, taking chances, and drafting or signing FA's that we think will bring us a SB ring, because that's what we covet most. To hell with the money...we want the ring, and we're willing to take chances!"

Reggie Bush brings glitter to a team that badly needed something. We don't question how much they pay Loomis or Payton or any of the scouts. However, they all bring something to the team...even though it's hard to see it on the field.

Reggie does have his moments. 2 punt returns for TD's doesn't happen every day. Five yard flights into the endzone are rare for most people...but not Reggie. Leaving people searching for their jock is not something everybody can do. Outrunning CB's to the endzone is not easy.

There's more to the game than meets the eye...and the ultimate prize is the ring. When Reggie was on the board to be drafted, I told my sis-in-law that I would no longer be a Saint fan if they passed on him. I admit that he hasn't gained the yards on the ground that I hoped, but he has provided highlight after highlight, and we have won a SB with Reggie Bush on our roster...something that hadn't happened for 43 years! So...I'm happy with everyone on the roster and I could give a rat's butt how much they make...or how much they make next year, for that matter. I'm just happy for now.

Re: Pierre Thomas is the Saints best back & a true fan favorite
 

sigh [rolls eyes] .... you don't say

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wow, that was a whole bunch of stupidness

.... and you can spare me the ghetto'd up, chest banging, hype yourself up speeches before and after your post. It doesn't make them any more valid.

So let me ask you.... Could "transitioning" mean: he hasn't worked out for all of the things that we've hired him, hoped for, and tested tirelessly for, so we'll keep putting him into different situations until we find out for sure what he does best?

has Reggie transitioned his running style? how?

Re: Pierre Thomas is the Saints best back & a true fan favorite
 

How long is this going to go on...can you post without using the word stupid or ignorant?

You're right...whole team is just a bunch of losers.

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Cant we all just get along. Dont turn the best Saints forum into SR.com. PLEASE!!!!!!!!

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Mods excuse my language i do know the rules.. Im tired of explaining stuff to you it takes sum guys more time then others to shine Logic SMD your officially on the Villains violate list I tried and kept it professional and tried to be the adult in the matter but your just straight up retarded you dont read anything but your name i swear your an idiot and dont know sh-it about football shut the fuhk up and get a new team just cause you played madden doesnt mean you know football or even can comment About it I will violate you at all hours of the day from here on out no im not upset Iv just worn weary of your stupidity so i say eat a d1ck and do it twice

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wheeww.... I made it through your post. Hey it's all the same to me, I'm getting pretty tired of trying to read through your post. In typical fashion, you never answer my questions anyway, which by the way are football related. You just ramble on about how righteous you are, referring to yourself in third person and change the subject by expelling all of your words keeping the focus on your thoughts about me.... and not addressing my theories. I can't tell you how upset your threat of "violating me" with all of your ghetto chest banging makes me.

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Eat a D1ck

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Um, pardon me Sally, but excuse me if I let a criticism slip in response to direct remarks calling me a "fool, know nothing of football, ignorant" and all directed at me.... Oh, but don't let me be harsh right? Seriously, you can f*-off with that stuff because you're being completely sensitive and biased to my post strictly because they specifically contradict your feelings. Try playing moderator to "The Villian" (as he'd call himself's) post. It should be fun!


Ok, that has nothing to do with nothing I've ever said. Do y'all even think before you post.

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Logic STFU Eat a D1ck