Pierre Thomas is the Saints best back & a true fan favorite

gandhi1007 · 05-24-2010, 07:21 PM

Originally Posted by saintpaul25

I'm just curious. Did Deuce make any where near, what Bush is making, in his entire career as a Saint? He wasn't a number 2 pick, but he was first round, and a better RB in all facets of the game. And I'm tired of this BS, that "Reggie won us a ring." You guys act like he single handedly, went out, and won it by himself, with no help from anyone. I will say this, and I don't care if you agree or not. Thomas is WAY better on screen plays than Reggie. For all of his athleticism, he sure has a hard time following blocks, and finding open holes. But whatever, he'll be gone next year anyway, and we can finally be done with this debate once and for all.

And Canton, you are going to have to refresh my "old fart" memory, of which starting elite RBs, that you remember returning punts.... I've watched football since 78, and I can't remember any star RBs, that were on permanent punt return duty, once they established themselves as starting RBs..... In fact, I can't think of one that's in the league right now.

Oh, and one more thing, I believe it was our DEFENSE, that bailed his butt out, in the NFC Championship game, when he kept muffing punts.

He is NOT a consistently elite player guys. He has flashes, and maybe one good game, every five. He has NEVER in my recollection, put together two one hundred yard ground games, since he got here, and how many seasons has he had over a thousand yards rushing? Never. I don't wanna hear "all purpose" crap, I don't wanna hear, "he's not that kind of player". If that's true, then change his gd position name, because if that's the case he's NOT a running back. Call him a WR, or make up something else. Dalton Hilliard was more productive in the ground game!

I don't care about the money aspect. I'm just tired of the Bush apologists in here, blowing him up to something he isn't, and never will be.

AMEN, brother......AMEN!!!! You sir, have hit the nail on the head.

HintOfLogic · 05-25-2010, 02:30 AM

Originally Posted by saintpaul25

Thomas is WAY better on screen plays than Reggie.

But whatever, he'll be gone next year anyway, and we can finally be done with this debate once and for all.

I don't care about the money aspect. I'm just tired of the Bush apologists in here, blowing him up to something he isn't, and never will be.

To this, I salute you

HintOfLogic · 05-25-2010, 01:54 AM

Punt Return vs. Expendable Back debate.....

Reggie is ONLY returning punts because he proved a let down as a "featured" back.... thus (aside from monetary commitments) is that much more expendable. And spare me the "he's just such a threat he's just got to return punts" because that's just a pure delusion. Aside from my constant frustration watching Reggie almost always being out of sync which what to do and when while returning... fair catching when a lane space and a lane is available, not fair catching with "d" breathing down his throat, muffing, etc... just check the stats, he SUCKS! See where he sits among leagues other PR guys stats. Michael Lewis made a ton of TD's and also consistently, YET he ALSO almost always was atop the league with Yards per Return avg. This means, when he wasn't making rogue TD's, he was getting 20, 30, 40 yd returns, regularly.... unlike Reggie, who's few and far between TD's paired with a TON of returns for losses, muffs, fumbles.... etc. ..have more than gratified the eager Bush fanatic who dismiss all the below par play for the one per year highlight reel moment.

Does anyone here REALLY believe that if Reggie was producing like everyone (don't double talk now, EVERYONE) thought he would, a'la Tomlinson, T. Jones, etc.... that he would still be returning punts? If so, you don't understand the game. His allocation to full-time PR is the direct result of his insignificance in the rushing game.

On that note..... say Reggie becomes unavailable.... like an unnecessary injury sustained during PR duties. What do you think happens to Sean Payton's gameplan??? shall we discuss? I recall a handful of games where Reggie was put into the gameplan ineffectively to find himself pulled early on and found himself tugging at his shoulder pads behind Payton the remainder of the games... and this was last year, our superbowl run year.

strato · 05-25-2010, 08:11 AM

Hey we got Sharper and Reggie..and fixing to lock down P.T..so lets see what unfolds..my biggest worry was Sharper ...

Choupique · 05-25-2010, 09:25 AM

Pierre T avgs 4.0 yards per carry, longest run 12 yards

Reggie B avgs 6.9 yards per carry, longest run 46 yards

strato · 05-25-2010, 02:11 PM

Rushing: 33 ATT - 188 YDS - 5.6 YPC - 2 TD
Receiving: 20 REC - 249 YDS - 12.4 YPC - 2 TD
Returning: 10 RET - 144 YDS - 14.4 YPR- 1 TD

Longest TD Run in Saints playoff history..Reggie Bush (46 YDS)
Longest TD Rec in Saints playoff history..Reggie Bush (88 YDS)
Longest TD Ret in Saints playoff history..Reggie Bush (83 YDS

Reggie is better than he gets credit for...look at his playoff numbers..

iceshack149 · 05-25-2010, 02:16 PM

Another thread turned into a Bush debate.

Next.

saintfan · 05-25-2010, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

Another thread turned into a Bush debate.

Next.

+ 1

strato · 05-25-2010, 02:25 PM

I agree..dude is constantly being bashed or defended...

skymike · 05-25-2010, 05:22 PM

Bush apologist here. (its all good, guys, my wife argues this with me too.)

Reggie is a walking highlight reel. He scores touchdowns, and he's a threat to take it to the house on any play, which is why sometimes he dances. You have high-percentage passing, right, you know, short, settle-for-a-couple-of-yards passes into the flat, right? Well Reggie is a "low-percentage" run, which by my logic makes him a long bomb! (bomb as in long pass, not like a bad movie) Yeah, he's gonna get a loss sometimes, but so did Barry Freakin Sanders.

Some guys score from the 5 by running over DB's. Reggie just jumps to the EZ. Does it matter? He jumps. He scores. Reggie is a part of New Orleans Saints history, and had a good chunk in saving our team from moving to San Antonio. Remember? Remember when they said we wouldnt buy tickets? Remember, "With the 2nd pick of the 2006 draft, the New Orleans Saints select...." ?

That, and he's had Kim K's lips around Oscar Meyer, which impresses me greatly. How many guys can say... ok, dont answer that. But I know your fat butt cant.

Reggie is a hero, and one of the faces of our franchise, and he brings us a lot of spotlight, and thats a good thing. So dont hate.

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PIERRE! The most underrated running back in the NFL, maybe because he has the unfortunate name Pierre, which people just dont equate with an NFL star. Seriously, rename the man "Trumaine," and hes on every other shoe commercial, the cover of Madden, and banging on at least Kloe, or possibly the other sister, who is hotter anyway. Watch his TD run at the Patriots game this year, and tell me he's an ordinary man. Look at the shock he absorbed going over the pile vs. Minnesota for the most important first down in our history. Power, speed, good hands, actually really good hands, and effective a the critical phase of the game that you armchair field generals dont see: QB Protection. Pierre came out of nowhere to be a Super Bowl star runner, unseating high draft picks, and loafers. He made highlights ever week when Reggie didnt.

And look at the smile on that young man. Wow, what a winner! Pierre was just finished working out in Mississippi training camp, soaked in sweat after the 105 degree workout. Nobody knew who he was or where he came from, and even fewer expected him to stay suited in a Saints Uniform come Opening Day. But there he was--- too good to ignore, the uninvited guy who just wouldnt go away. So its 400 degrees in Jackson, and the stars have gone to the whirpool, he stands there after practice and signs And poses for pictures with my kids, as if he was happy to do it. I love PT and you should too. Im rooting for him.

So, has it occured to yall that there are 45 spots on the roster, and plenty of room for Piere and Reggie? We kinda need 2 running backs at least. There really is room for both.

...And stop getting all SaintsReport-y with each other... You know the Indians considered debate to be for women. Im ready to buy soma yall a box of mini-pads. geez, I swear one of you is really rebdouche from over there.

thats all.
Love, me

05-24-2010, 07:21 PM	#1
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Re: Pierre Thomas is the Saints best back & a true fan favorite Originally Posted by saintpaul25 I'm just curious. Did Deuce make any where near, what Bush is making, in his entire career as a Saint? He wasn't a number 2 pick, but he was first round, and a better RB in all facets of the game. And I'm tired of this BS, that "Reggie won us a ring." You guys act like he single handedly, went out, and won it by himself, with no help from anyone. I will say this, and I don't care if you agree or not. Thomas is WAY better on screen plays than Reggie. For all of his athleticism, he sure has a hard time following blocks, and finding open holes. But whatever, he'll be gone next year anyway, and we can finally be done with this debate once and for all. And Canton, you are going to have to refresh my "old fart" memory, of which starting elite RBs, that you remember returning punts.... I've watched football since 78, and I can't remember any star RBs, that were on permanent punt return duty, once they established themselves as starting RBs..... In fact, I can't think of one that's in the league right now. Oh, and one more thing, I believe it was our DEFENSE, that bailed his butt out, in the NFC Championship game, when he kept muffing punts. He is NOT a consistently elite player guys. He has flashes, and maybe one good game, every five. He has NEVER in my recollection, put together two one hundred yard ground games, since he got here, and how many seasons has he had over a thousand yards rushing? Never. I don't wanna hear "all purpose" crap, I don't wanna hear, "he's not that kind of player". If that's true, then change his gd position name, because if that's the case he's NOT a running back. Call him a WR, or make up something else. Dalton Hilliard was more productive in the ground game! I don't care about the money aspect. I'm just tired of the Bush apologists in here, blowing him up to something he isn't, and never will be. AMEN, brother......AMEN!!!! You sir, have hit the nail on the head.

05-25-2010, 02:30 AM	#2
HintOfLogic 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 194	Re: Pierre Thomas is the Saints best back & a true fan favorite Originally Posted by saintpaul25 Thomas is WAY better on screen plays than Reggie. But whatever, he'll be gone next year anyway, and we can finally be done with this debate once and for all. I don't care about the money aspect. I'm just tired of the Bush apologists in here, blowing him up to something he isn't, and never will be. To this, I salute you
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05-25-2010, 01:54 AM	#3
HintOfLogic 100th Post Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 194	Re: Pierre Thomas is the Saints best back & a true fan favorite Punt Return vs. Expendable Back debate..... Reggie is ONLY returning punts because he proved a let down as a "featured" back.... thus (aside from monetary commitments) is that much more expendable. And spare me the "he's just such a threat he's just got to return punts" because that's just a pure delusion. Aside from my constant frustration watching Reggie almost always being out of sync which what to do and when while returning... fair catching when a lane space and a lane is available, not fair catching with "d" breathing down his throat, muffing, etc... just check the stats, he SUCKS! See where he sits among leagues other PR guys stats. Michael Lewis made a ton of TD's and also consistently, YET he ALSO almost always was atop the league with Yards per Return avg. This means, when he wasn't making rogue TD's, he was getting 20, 30, 40 yd returns, regularly.... unlike Reggie, who's few and far between TD's paired with a TON of returns for losses, muffs, fumbles.... etc. ..have more than gratified the eager Bush fanatic who dismiss all the below par play for the one per year highlight reel moment. Does anyone here REALLY believe that if Reggie was producing like everyone (don't double talk now, EVERYONE) thought he would, a'la Tomlinson, T. Jones, etc.... that he would still be returning punts? If so, you don't understand the game. His allocation to full-time PR is the direct result of his insignificance in the rushing game. On that note..... say Reggie becomes unavailable.... like an unnecessary injury sustained during PR duties. What do you think happens to Sean Payton's gameplan??? shall we discuss? I recall a handful of games where Reggie was put into the gameplan ineffectively to find himself pulled early on and found himself tugging at his shoulder pads behind Payton the remainder of the games... and this was last year, our superbowl run year.
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05-25-2010, 08:11 AM	#4
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Re: Pierre Thomas is the Saints best back & a true fan favorite Hey we got Sharper and Reggie..and fixing to lock down P.T..so lets see what unfolds..my biggest worry was Sharper ...

05-25-2010, 09:25 AM	#5
Choupique 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 2,594	Re: Pierre Thomas is the Saints best back & a true fan favorite Pierre T avgs 4.0 yards per carry, longest run 12 yards Reggie B avgs 6.9 yards per carry, longest run 46 yards
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05-25-2010, 02:11 PM	#6
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Re: Pierre Thomas is the Saints best back & a true fan favorite Rushing: 33 ATT - 188 YDS - 5.6 YPC - 2 TD Receiving: 20 REC - 249 YDS - 12.4 YPC - 2 TD Returning: 10 RET - 144 YDS - 14.4 YPR- 1 TD Longest TD Run in Saints playoff history..Reggie Bush (46 YDS) Longest TD Rec in Saints playoff history..Reggie Bush (88 YDS) Longest TD Ret in Saints playoff history..Reggie Bush (83 YDS Reggie is better than he gets credit for...look at his playoff numbers..

05-25-2010, 02:16 PM	#7
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,426 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Pierre Thomas is the Saints best back & a true fan favorite Another thread turned into a Bush debate. Next.

05-25-2010, 02:25 PM	#8
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05-25-2010, 05:22 PM	#10
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: Pierre Thomas is the Saints best back & a true fan favorite Bush apologist here. (its all good, guys, my wife argues this with me too.) Reggie is a walking highlight reel. He scores touchdowns, and he's a threat to take it to the house on any play, which is why sometimes he dances. You have high-percentage passing, right, you know, short, settle-for-a-couple-of-yards passes into the flat, right? Well Reggie is a "low-percentage" run, which by my logic makes him a long bomb! (bomb as in long pass, not like a bad movie) Yeah, he's gonna get a loss sometimes, but so did Barry Freakin Sanders. Some guys score from the 5 by running over DB's. Reggie just jumps to the EZ. Does it matter? He jumps. He scores. Reggie is a part of New Orleans Saints history, and had a good chunk in saving our team from moving to San Antonio. Remember? Remember when they said we wouldnt buy tickets? Remember, "With the 2nd pick of the 2006 draft, the New Orleans Saints select...." ? That, and he's had Kim K's lips around Oscar Meyer, which impresses me greatly. How many guys can say... ok, dont answer that. But I know your fat butt cant. Reggie is a hero, and one of the faces of our franchise, and he brings us a lot of spotlight, and thats a good thing. So dont hate. --------------------------------------------------------------------- PIERRE! The most underrated running back in the NFL, maybe because he has the unfortunate name Pierre, which people just dont equate with an NFL star. Seriously, rename the man "Trumaine," and hes on every other shoe commercial, the cover of Madden, and banging on at least Kloe, or possibly the other sister, who is hotter anyway. Watch his TD run at the Patriots game this year, and tell me he's an ordinary man. Look at the shock he absorbed going over the pile vs. Minnesota for the most important first down in our history. Power, speed, good hands, actually really good hands, and effective a the critical phase of the game that you armchair field generals dont see: QB Protection. Pierre came out of nowhere to be a Super Bowl star runner, unseating high draft picks, and loafers. He made highlights ever week when Reggie didnt. And look at the smile on that young man. Wow, what a winner! Pierre was just finished working out in Mississippi training camp, soaked in sweat after the 105 degree workout. Nobody knew who he was or where he came from, and even fewer expected him to stay suited in a Saints Uniform come Opening Day. But there he was--- too good to ignore, the uninvited guy who just wouldnt go away. So its 400 degrees in Jackson, and the stars have gone to the whirpool, he stands there after practice and signs And poses for pictures with my kids, as if he was happy to do it. I love PT and you should too. Im rooting for him. So, has it occured to yall that there are 45 spots on the roster, and plenty of room for Piere and Reggie? We kinda need 2 running backs at least. There really is room for both. ...And stop getting all SaintsReport-y with each other... You know the Indians considered debate to be for women. Im ready to buy soma yall a box of mini-pads. geez, I swear one of you is really rebdouche from over there. thats all. Love, me