Why not Fat Albert!!!!

QBREES9 · 05-21-2010, 10:06 PM

Cost to much money and doesn't play every play. No thanks

CantonLegend · 05-22-2010, 03:15 AM

jammal brown is better at LT than albert haynesworth is at DT

LT is of much bigger importance than DT so that makes Brown even more valuable

i wouldnt trade brown for anybody in the league right now....especially considering how poorly bushrod played last season

gandhi1007 · 05-23-2010, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

jammal brown is better at LT than albert haynesworth is at DT

LT is of much bigger importance than DT so that makes Brown even more valuable

i wouldnt trade brown for anybody in the league right now....especially considering how poorly bushrod played last season

Didn't we win a Super Bowl ring w/ Bushrod at LT & end the year w/ less false start & holding penalties than the previous year??? I'll say it again.... Brown is the most overrated offensive lineman in the league. The proof is in the pudding, so to speak. No Brown last year.....Super Bowl ring, less penalties, less sacks & QB hurries. Case closed! And don't try to use depth as an issue. We have depth & we just drafted another high caliber LT in Charles Brown.

Here's the thing.... if Haynesworth wants to wear black & gold for the right amount of money, I'd give the 'skins Brown in a heartbeat. Think about it..... the problem Sedrick Ellis has is that he is double teamed alot. You put Haynesworth in the middle with him & havoc will be wreaked by one of the two, because fat or not.....both of those guys are top tier DT's.

CantonLegend · 05-23-2010, 05:59 PM

Originally Posted by gandhi1007

Didn't we win a Super Bowl ring w/ Bushrod at LT

yes.....but was it because of bushrod? if your answer is no then this argument is bs

& end the year w/ less false start & holding penalties than the previous year???

prove this statement

I'll say it again.... Brown is the most overrated offensive lineman in the league. The proof is in the pudding, so to speak. No Brown last year.....Super Bowl ring, less penalties, less sacks & QB hurries.

the bolded is just a flat out lie......idk if you are trying to mislead readers but thats what you are doing.....its obvious you have a bias against brown but dont state opinions or just plain wrong statements as facts

Case closed! And don't try to use depth as an issue. We have depth & we just drafted another high caliber LT in Charles Brown.

depth? we have depth....how would that be an issue? we drafted a pass blocking LT that seems to struggle a lot in run blocking

Think about it..... the problem Sedrick Ellis has is that he is double teamed alot. You put Haynesworth in the middle with him & havoc will be wreaked by one of the two, because fat or not.....both of those guys are top tier DT's.

agreed.....but a player that has an impact on 1 out of 3 defensive plays is not as important as a player that makes an impact on every single play and is grouped in the elite category of the most important positions on any football team in the league

gandhi1007 · 05-23-2010, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

yes.....but was it because of bushrod? if your answer is no then this argument is bs

prove this statement

the bolded is just a flat out lie......idk if you are trying to mislead readers but thats what you are doing.....its obvious you have a bias against brown but dont state opinions or just plain wrong statements as facts

depth? we have depth....how would that be an issue? we drafted a pass blocking LT that seems to struggle a lot in run blocking

agreed.....but a player that has an impact on 1 out of 3 defensive plays is not as important as a player that makes an impact on every single play and is grouped in the elite category of the most important positions on any football team in the league

Okay.....here we go again. In 2008, Jammal Brown led the league in holding penalties. We also know that he is the King of the false start penalty. See link below. Statement proved.

Smarter Stats: Penalties for Potential Playoff Teams - The League at washingtonpost.com

As for as opinions go. Yes.... IMHO Jammal Brown is very overrated.

As for Jammal Brown making an impact on every single play......laughable. Go get your commemorative Saints March to the Super Bowl video. You obviously missed the season. Brown sat the pine all year w/ injury & we won a Super Bowl w/ Bushrod at LT. How's that for impact? Now....Haynesworth, on the right team, with the right help & defensive coordinator can make an impact on every play. Just saying..... did you forget his dominance before going to Washington? I mean, c'mon.... as of the last 10 years, isn't Washington the place where big name elite players go to become mediocre? Think of all the guys that were considered elite that went there lately & just didn't have the kind of impact they did before (or after) going to Washington.

CantonLegend · 05-24-2010, 08:29 AM

Originally Posted by gandhi1007

Okay.....here we go again. In 2008, Jammal Brown led the league in holding penalties.

WRONG.....flozell adams led the league in holding penalties

We also know that he is the King of the false start penalty. See link below. Statement proved.

Smarter Stats: Penalties for Potential Playoff Teams - The League at washingtonpost.com

this link is full of incomplete data and your statement of being king of false start penalties? how many false starts did he have? once you show me and prove to me that he is a penalty machine then i will concede my argument...until then i have rebuttle for you to chew on

in '08 we passed the ball more than any other team ever has.....brown only allowed 3 sacks(2.5)......during that season he also had 7 holding penalties.....bushrod accounted for 8 sacks all by himself and i have no idea how many penalties he ammassed

As for Jammal Brown making an impact on every single play......laughable. Go get your commemorative Saints March to the Super Bowl video. You obviously missed the season. Brown sat the pine all year w/ injury & we won a Super Bowl w/ Bushrod at LT. How's that for impact?

the LT is a vital part of every team on every single offensive play.....whereas a DT only makes an impact when the ball is forced his way

LTs are involved in every play......DTs are crucial to success, but they dont have the impact that LTs have simply because LTs protect the most important piece on a team and because they have to do it every play

Now....Haynesworth, on the right team, with the right help & defensive coordinator can make an impact on every play.

lol nope.....no matter how good haynesworth was....he didnt have that kind of impact.....his career high in tackles in '08 was only 7 more than ellis had this year.....and he was hurt for several games

8.5 sacks is very nice.....but remember that haynesworth only averages 3.5 sacks per season......only .5 more than ellis

strato · 05-24-2010, 12:29 AM

Originally Posted by gandhi1007

Didn't we win a Super Bowl ring w/ Bushrod at LT & end the year w/ less false start & holding penalties than the previous year??? I'll say it again.... Brown is the most overrated offensive lineman in the league. The proof is in the pudding, so to speak. No Brown last year.....Super Bowl ring, less penalties, less sacks & QB hurries. Case closed! And don't try to use depth as an issue. We have depth & we just drafted another high caliber LT in Charles Brown.

Here's the thing.... if Haynesworth wants to wear black & gold for the right amount of money, I'd give the 'skins Brown in a heartbeat. Think about it..... the problem Sedrick Ellis has is that he is double teamed alot. You put Haynesworth in the middle with him & havoc will be wreaked by one of the two, because fat or not.....both of those guys are top tier DT's.

Sorry Canton ..but he brings up a good point..if Hayneworth was next to Ellis..can u imagine the D Line?...lol...with that said..we aint getting A.H..he will pout for awhile then play for the forskins....But if that big azz DT were to come to us and play like he is capable i would give them Brown and a pot of Gumbo sha....

05-21-2010, 10:06 PM	#1
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05-22-2010, 03:15 AM	#2
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Why not Fat Albert!!!! jammal brown is better at LT than albert haynesworth is at DT LT is of much bigger importance than DT so that makes Brown even more valuable i wouldnt trade brown for anybody in the league right now....especially considering how poorly bushrod played last season

05-23-2010, 05:01 PM	#3
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Re: Why not Fat Albert!!!! Originally Posted by CantonLegend jammal brown is better at LT than albert haynesworth is at DT LT is of much bigger importance than DT so that makes Brown even more valuable i wouldnt trade brown for anybody in the league right now....especially considering how poorly bushrod played last season Didn't we win a Super Bowl ring w/ Bushrod at LT & end the year w/ less false start & holding penalties than the previous year??? I'll say it again.... Brown is the most overrated offensive lineman in the league. The proof is in the pudding, so to speak. No Brown last year.....Super Bowl ring, less penalties, less sacks & QB hurries. Case closed! And don't try to use depth as an issue. We have depth & we just drafted another high caliber LT in Charles Brown. Here's the thing.... if Haynesworth wants to wear black & gold for the right amount of money, I'd give the 'skins Brown in a heartbeat. Think about it..... the problem Sedrick Ellis has is that he is double teamed alot. You put Haynesworth in the middle with him & havoc will be wreaked by one of the two, because fat or not.....both of those guys are top tier DT's.
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05-23-2010, 05:59 PM	#4
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Why not Fat Albert!!!! Originally Posted by gandhi1007 Didn't we win a Super Bowl ring w/ Bushrod at LT yes.....but was it because of bushrod? if your answer is no then this argument is bs & end the year w/ less false start & holding penalties than the previous year??? prove this statement I'll say it again.... Brown is the most overrated offensive lineman in the league. The proof is in the pudding, so to speak. No Brown last year.....Super Bowl ring, less penalties, less sacks & QB hurries. the bolded is just a flat out lie......idk if you are trying to mislead readers but thats what you are doing.....its obvious you have a bias against brown but dont state opinions or just plain wrong statements as facts Case closed! And don't try to use depth as an issue. We have depth & we just drafted another high caliber LT in Charles Brown. depth? we have depth....how would that be an issue? we drafted a pass blocking LT that seems to struggle a lot in run blocking Think about it..... the problem Sedrick Ellis has is that he is double teamed alot. You put Haynesworth in the middle with him & havoc will be wreaked by one of the two, because fat or not.....both of those guys are top tier DT's. agreed.....but a player that has an impact on 1 out of 3 defensive plays is not as important as a player that makes an impact on every single play and is grouped in the elite category of the most important positions on any football team in the league
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05-23-2010, 07:05 PM	#5
gandhi1007 Part Time Pimp Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 1,967	Re: Why not Fat Albert!!!! Originally Posted by CantonLegend yes.....but was it because of bushrod? if your answer is no then this argument is bs prove this statement the bolded is just a flat out lie......idk if you are trying to mislead readers but thats what you are doing.....its obvious you have a bias against brown but dont state opinions or just plain wrong statements as facts depth? we have depth....how would that be an issue? we drafted a pass blocking LT that seems to struggle a lot in run blocking agreed.....but a player that has an impact on 1 out of 3 defensive plays is not as important as a player that makes an impact on every single play and is grouped in the elite category of the most important positions on any football team in the league Okay.....here we go again. In 2008, Jammal Brown led the league in holding penalties. We also know that he is the King of the false start penalty. See link below. Statement proved. Smarter Stats: Penalties for Potential Playoff Teams - The League at washingtonpost.com As for as opinions go. Yes.... IMHO Jammal Brown is very overrated. As for Jammal Brown making an impact on every single play......laughable. Go get your commemorative Saints March to the Super Bowl video. You obviously missed the season. Brown sat the pine all year w/ injury & we won a Super Bowl w/ Bushrod at LT. How's that for impact? Now....Haynesworth, on the right team, with the right help & defensive coordinator can make an impact on every play. Just saying..... did you forget his dominance before going to Washington? I mean, c'mon.... as of the last 10 years, isn't Washington the place where big name elite players go to become mediocre? Think of all the guys that were considered elite that went there lately & just didn't have the kind of impact they did before (or after) going to Washington.
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05-24-2010, 08:29 AM	#6
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Why not Fat Albert!!!! Originally Posted by gandhi1007 Okay.....here we go again. In 2008, Jammal Brown led the league in holding penalties. WRONG.....flozell adams led the league in holding penalties We also know that he is the King of the false start penalty. See link below. Statement proved. Smarter Stats: Penalties for Potential Playoff Teams - The League at washingtonpost.com this link is full of incomplete data and your statement of being king of false start penalties? how many false starts did he have? once you show me and prove to me that he is a penalty machine then i will concede my argument...until then i have rebuttle for you to chew on in '08 we passed the ball more than any other team ever has.....brown only allowed 3 sacks(2.5)......during that season he also had 7 holding penalties.....bushrod accounted for 8 sacks all by himself and i have no idea how many penalties he ammassed As for Jammal Brown making an impact on every single play......laughable. Go get your commemorative Saints March to the Super Bowl video. You obviously missed the season. Brown sat the pine all year w/ injury & we won a Super Bowl w/ Bushrod at LT. How's that for impact? the LT is a vital part of every team on every single offensive play.....whereas a DT only makes an impact when the ball is forced his way LTs are involved in every play......DTs are crucial to success, but they dont have the impact that LTs have simply because LTs protect the most important piece on a team and because they have to do it every play Now....Haynesworth, on the right team, with the right help & defensive coordinator can make an impact on every play. lol nope.....no matter how good haynesworth was....he didnt have that kind of impact.....his career high in tackles in '08 was only 7 more than ellis had this year.....and he was hurt for several games 8.5 sacks is very nice.....but remember that haynesworth only averages 3.5 sacks per season......only .5 more than ellis
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05-24-2010, 12:29 AM	#7
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Re: Why not Fat Albert!!!! Originally Posted by gandhi1007 Didn't we win a Super Bowl ring w/ Bushrod at LT & end the year w/ less false start & holding penalties than the previous year??? I'll say it again.... Brown is the most overrated offensive lineman in the league. The proof is in the pudding, so to speak. No Brown last year.....Super Bowl ring, less penalties, less sacks & QB hurries. Case closed! And don't try to use depth as an issue. We have depth & we just drafted another high caliber LT in Charles Brown. Here's the thing.... if Haynesworth wants to wear black & gold for the right amount of money, I'd give the 'skins Brown in a heartbeat. Think about it..... the problem Sedrick Ellis has is that he is double teamed alot. You put Haynesworth in the middle with him & havoc will be wreaked by one of the two, because fat or not.....both of those guys are top tier DT's. Sorry Canton ..but he brings up a good point..if Hayneworth was next to Ellis..can u imagine the D Line?...lol...with that said..we aint getting A.H..he will pout for awhile then play for the forskins....But if that big azz DT were to come to us and play like he is capable i would give them Brown and a pot of Gumbo sha....