Pierre Thomas holdout

CantonLegend · 06-01-2010, 03:12 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

In my heart I'm with you on this - that's what they told us in Little league. If you don't practice with the team you sit.

Well, once you make the NFL - especially as a RB - you have a small window inside which you have to make the best deal(s) you can - and they'll cut you in a heartbeat, so you might as well squeeze the orange for all the juice you can get while you have the chance. I hate to see PT sitting out, but I think he has a valid argument with the organization, which is not to say he needs to be paid like the highest paid RB in the league, but I bet he'd settle for less.

Originally Posted by Saint_LB

Au contraire...

It is my opinion that when you are playing for a team that is part of a business, then people must let business play a part in their decisions.

In other words, if he was part of a weekly bowling league and decided to not show-up because he'd have to miss the new episode of "Family Guy"...then, yeah...he sits.

ok.....as a business.....would a boss give you a bigger raise if you threatened not to come in.....or if you busted your butt everyday doing your job?

strato · 06-01-2010, 03:15 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

ok.....as a business.....would a boss give you a bigger raise if you threatened not to come in.....or if you busted your butt everyday doing your job?

Good point Canton...P.T needs to get his butt to camp...i dont think this Front Office plays around...he could get his walkin papers if he wants that kind of money...Loomis will not give him that deal...bank on it...5 yrs at say 25 mill sounds about right...

saintfan · 06-01-2010, 04:42 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

ok.....as a business.....would a boss give you a bigger raise if you threatened not to come in.....or if you busted your butt everyday doing your job?

Being an "Employee at will" versus a player in the NFL? I'm no lawyer, but I'm not sure how well those two relate.

At any rate, would a boss give you a bigger raise if you threatened not to come in or if you busted your butt? A story on that: About 7 years ago my boss railed on me in front of my coworkers for something I did not do. I'd been busting my butt for 3 years doing my job and a good portion of some other people's jobs too. I sat in my chair, and I took it, and when he left I got up, got some coffee, went outside and walked around the building...twice...then went back into his office and said, "I want a public apology AND I want a raise or I'm leaving...today." I got my apology and I got my raise.

CantonLegend · 06-01-2010, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Being an "Employee at will" versus a player in the NFL? I'm no lawyer, but I'm not sure how well those two relate.

At any rate, would a boss give you a bigger raise if you threatened not to come in or if you busted your butt? A story on that: About 7 years ago my boss railed on me in front of my coworkers for something I did not do. I'd been busting my butt for 3 years doing my job and a good portion of some other people's jobs too. I sat in my chair, and I took it, and when he left I got up, got some coffee, went outside and walked around the building...twice...then went back into his office and said, "I want a public apology AND I want a raise or I'm leaving...today." I got my apology and I got my raise.

its a sport and a business

both require you to be there and earn your spot and money

so pick...i dont care which one you want to argue.....sport or business

either way you show up and do your job and do it to the best of your ability

in a sport you show up or you dont play.....in a job you show up or you dont get paid.....so which one is it?

saintfan · 06-02-2010, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by CantonLegend

its a sport and a business

both require you to be there and earn your spot and money

so pick...i dont care which one you want to argue.....sport or business

either way you show up and do your job and do it to the best of your ability

in a sport you show up or you dont play.....in a job you show up or you dont get paid.....so which one is it?

And if he holds out he won't get paid. The point is holding out is the leverage players use to renegotiate, and I can assure you if the other side would renegotiate without a holdout we'd see far fewer. Holding out is an option these guys have that most of us don't have, but we use other tactics too - at least some people do. Same same.

06-01-2010, 03:12 PM	#1
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Pierre Thomas holdout Originally Posted by saintfan In my heart I'm with you on this - that's what they told us in Little league. If you don't practice with the team you sit. Well, once you make the NFL - especially as a RB - you have a small window inside which you have to make the best deal(s) you can - and they'll cut you in a heartbeat, so you might as well squeeze the orange for all the juice you can get while you have the chance. I hate to see PT sitting out, but I think he has a valid argument with the organization, which is not to say he needs to be paid like the highest paid RB in the league, but I bet he'd settle for less. Originally Posted by Saint_LB Au contraire... It is my opinion that when you are playing for a team that is part of a business, then people must let business play a part in their decisions. In other words, if he was part of a weekly bowling league and decided to not show-up because he'd have to miss the new episode of "Family Guy"...then, yeah...he sits. ok.....as a business.....would a boss give you a bigger raise if you threatened not to come in.....or if you busted your butt everyday doing your job?

06-01-2010, 03:15 PM	#2
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Re: Pierre Thomas holdout Originally Posted by CantonLegend ok.....as a business.....would a boss give you a bigger raise if you threatened not to come in.....or if you busted your butt everyday doing your job? Good point Canton...P.T needs to get his butt to camp...i dont think this Front Office plays around...he could get his walkin papers if he wants that kind of money...Loomis will not give him that deal...bank on it...5 yrs at say 25 mill sounds about right...

06-01-2010, 04:42 PM	#3
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Pierre Thomas holdout Originally Posted by CantonLegend ok.....as a business.....would a boss give you a bigger raise if you threatened not to come in.....or if you busted your butt everyday doing your job? Being an "Employee at will" versus a player in the NFL? I'm no lawyer, but I'm not sure how well those two relate. At any rate, would a boss give you a bigger raise if you threatened not to come in or if you busted your butt? A story on that: About 7 years ago my boss railed on me in front of my coworkers for something I did not do. I'd been busting my butt for 3 years doing my job and a good portion of some other people's jobs too. I sat in my chair, and I took it, and when he left I got up, got some coffee, went outside and walked around the building...twice...then went back into his office and said, "I want a public apology AND I want a raise or I'm leaving...today." I got my apology and I got my raise.
	C'mon Man...

06-01-2010, 08:10 PM	#4
CantonLegend 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 2,685 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Pierre Thomas holdout Originally Posted by saintfan Being an "Employee at will" versus a player in the NFL? I'm no lawyer, but I'm not sure how well those two relate. At any rate, would a boss give you a bigger raise if you threatened not to come in or if you busted your butt? A story on that: About 7 years ago my boss railed on me in front of my coworkers for something I did not do. I'd been busting my butt for 3 years doing my job and a good portion of some other people's jobs too. I sat in my chair, and I took it, and when he left I got up, got some coffee, went outside and walked around the building...twice...then went back into his office and said, "I want a public apology AND I want a raise or I'm leaving...today." I got my apology and I got my raise. its a sport and a business both require you to be there and earn your spot and money so pick...i dont care which one you want to argue.....sport or business either way you show up and do your job and do it to the best of your ability in a sport you show up or you dont play.....in a job you show up or you dont get paid.....so which one is it?

06-02-2010, 01:11 PM	#5
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Pierre Thomas holdout Originally Posted by CantonLegend its a sport and a business both require you to be there and earn your spot and money so pick...i dont care which one you want to argue.....sport or business either way you show up and do your job and do it to the best of your ability in a sport you show up or you dont play.....in a job you show up or you dont get paid.....so which one is it? And if he holds out he won't get paid. The point is holding out is the leverage players use to renegotiate, and I can assure you if the other side would renegotiate without a holdout we'd see far fewer. Holding out is an option these guys have that most of us don't have, but we use other tactics too - at least some people do. Same same.

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