Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day?

VillainAgain · 06-07-2010, 03:25 PM

Players get into their respective HOF's because they had great statistical careers Brooks had such is #2 in the Saints Record books so he should get in because he had a great career. Archie Manning wasnt half as good as the media portrays the guy has more TO's then Brooks if you will bash Brooks then Bash Archie. Archie Manning threw 48 more Ints then TD's Brooks threw 31 More TD's then Ints Archie also had his share of fumbles dont blame his poor preformance on a bad team he was under center. Brooks only had 1 bad season via Katrina.

saintfan · 06-07-2010, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by VillainAgain

Players get into their respective HOF's because they had great statistical careers Brooks had such is #2 in the Saints Record books so he should get in because he had a great career. Archie Manning wasnt half as good as the media portrays the guy has more TO's then Brooks if you will bash Brooks then Bash Archie. Archie Manning threw 48 more Ints then TD's Brooks threw 31 More TD's then Ints Archie also had his share of fumbles dont blame his poor preformance on a bad team he was under center. Brooks only had 1 bad season via Katrina.

There is a STRONG bias against Brooks - fueled in large part by the fact the Jake Delhomme was on the roster at the time. There isn't much in the arguments against Brooks that can't be successfully countered, but there are those that simply hate the guy "because he smiled after a bad play" or whatever.

Brooks is smarter than half the guys bashing him and more athletic than the other half. He held his head up through it all though. He was a good QB here, and it's sad there are so many people that can't (or won't) see that.

Danno · 06-07-2010, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

There is a STRONG bias against Brooks - fueled in large part by the fact the Jake Delhomme was on the roster at the time. There isn't much in the arguments against Brooks that can't be successfully countered, but there are those that simply hate the guy "because he smiled after a bad play" or whatever.

Brooks is smarter than half the guys bashing him and more athletic than the other half. He held his head up through it all though. He was a good QB here, and it's sad there are so many people that can't (or won't) see that.

^ THIS

strato · 06-07-2010, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

There is a STRONG bias against Brooks - fueled in large part by the fact the Jake Delhomme was on the roster at the time. There isn't much in the arguments against Brooks that can't be successfully countered, but there are those that simply hate the guy "because he smiled after a bad play" or whatever.

Brooks is smarter than half the guys bashing him and more athletic than the other half. He held his head up through it all though. He was a good QB here, and it's sad there are so many people that can't (or won't) see that.

You know me SF magnet for controversy..but i can remember a lot of racial hatred for Brooks from some saints fans and it made me sick...

saintfan · 06-07-2010, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by strato

You know me SF magnet for controversy..but i can remember a lot of racial hatred for Brooks from some saints fans and it made me sick...

I dunno about race. I think the Saints Collective had a mist in their eyes from the smoke of a distant (Delhomme) fire...LMAO

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SAINT_MICHAEL · 06-07-2010, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

There is a STRONG bias against Brooks - fueled in large part by the fact the Jake Delhomme was on the roster at the time. There isn't much in the arguments against Brooks that can't be successfully countered, but there are those that simply hate the guy "because he smiled after a bad play" or whatever.

Brooks is smarter than half the guys bashing him and more athletic than the other half. He held his head up through it all though. He was a good QB here, and it's sad there are so many people that can't (or won't) see that.

I think you are reading too much into this. This thread isn't about weather he was a good QB or weather he should have started over Delhome or not. It's about weather he deserves to be in a Hall of Fame, which is a subjective matter. The all time hit king is not in the baseball hall of fame, so obviously having stats is not enough to ensure you will make your sports/teams HOF.
Now I'm not comparing Rose and why he is out vs why I think Brooks is out, so don't go off and blast me on that. I'm just saying that because the guy is our second leading passer in many catagories it a) doesn't mean he deserves it and b) just because I don't think he is HOF worthy doesn't mean I don't appreciate his quality of play for us and/or I have a bias against him.
I think far too many players are in their respective sport's HOFs as it is. I just tend to think it should be more of an honor than that. Sure, you can't be in a HOF if you did not put up stats. But, to me, you can't be in there if you did not display the drive/desire/passion/fire/ or whatever you want to call it that makes a HOF caliber player be the best player they can be. In short I can't think of a current HOF player that did not strive as hard as they could on the field (and most of the time off the field as well) to win a game. There is no way you will convince me that Brooks had that quality as an NFL player from his demeanor and actions. To me, the fact that he is our second leading passer simply means that we had a bunce of poor passing QBs in our history.

saintfan · 06-07-2010, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL

It's about weather he deserves to be in a Hall of Fame, which is a subjective matter. The all time hit king is not in the baseball hall of fame, so obviously having stats is not enough to ensure you will make your sports/teams HOF.

Well, it's another thread entirely, but Pete Rose should be in Baseball's HOF - there are many worse characters in that hall. Notwithstanding that, when they accuse Brooks of betting on games let me know.

Bottom line is the guy won our first ever playoff game and prior to that lit it up in a way we had never seen, and he has the numbers - and he did it with a crappy defense, a questionable O line, average Wr's (with an exception) and questionable coaching. He shouldn't be barred from the Saints HOF because of some over-zealous Delhomme fans didn't like that he smiled instead of whined.

SAINT_MICHAEL · 06-07-2010, 06:20 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Well, it's another thread entirely, but Pete Rose should be in Baseball's HOF - there are many worse characters in that hall. Notwithstanding that, when they accuse Brooks of betting on games let me know.

Way to ignore the line I wrote right after this statement and miss my point entirely. It was again HIS STATS DON"T GUARENTEE ANYTHING

Originally Posted by saintfan

Bottom line is the guy won our first ever playoff game and prior to that lit it up in a way we had never seen, and he has the numbers - and he did it with a crappy defense, a questionable O line, average Wr's (with an exception) and questionable coaching. He shouldn't be barred from the Saints HOF because of some over-zealous Delhomme fans didn't like that he smiled instead of whined.

No, that's not the bottom line. Every guy that started that playoff game should be in our HOF then because they were part of that win too. Hell Haslet should be in then for coaching us to our first ever playoff victory too.
You are way overstating things with your remarks and making it sound like Brooks was the only decent player on our squad. You are also conveniently forgetting the missed passes, bonehead plays, and casual effort he brought to the football field. Why you keep bringing Delhomme into this is as puzzling as the way Hint of Logic brings Bush into everything.
Let me ask a simple yes or no question and see if you can give a simple yes or no answer….do you think Brooks gave 100 % effort to win games and be the best football player he could be when he was with the Saints?

strato · 06-07-2010, 06:29 PM

Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL

Way to ignore the line I wrote right after this statement and miss my point entirely. It was again HIS STATS DON"T GUARENTEE ANYTHING

No, that's not the bottom line. Every guy that started that playoff game should be in our HOF then because they were part of that win too. Hell Haslet should be in then for coaching us to our first ever playoff victory too.
You are way overstating things with your remarks and making it sound like Brooks was the only decent player on our squad. You are also conveniently forgetting the missed passes, bonehead plays, and casual effort he brought to the football field. Why you keep bringing Delhomme into this is as puzzling as the way Hint of Logic brings Bush into everything.
Let me ask a simple yes or no question and see if you can give a simple yes or no answer….do you think Brooks gave 100 % effort to win games and be the best football player he could be when he was with the Saints?

Lol..i know that day when we won that playoff game i wasa very happy Saints fan...and Brooks was a part of it..if thats what your referencing..lol

SAINT_MICHAEL · 06-07-2010, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by strato

Lol..i know that day when we won that playoff game i wasa very happy Saints fan...and Brooks was a part of it..if thats what your referencing..lol

It was, up to that point, my happiest time ever as a Saints fan as well. And Brooks was defenitely a part of it. But lots of guys were. We had a 1,000 yard rusher that year. Our defense was ranked in the top 10 in both points and yards. Don't tell me that everyone sucked and Brooks single handedly lead us to that win.

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06-07-2010, 03:25 PM	#1
VillainAgain 100th Post Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 273	Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day? Players get into their respective HOF's because they had great statistical careers Brooks had such is #2 in the Saints Record books so he should get in because he had a great career. Archie Manning wasnt half as good as the media portrays the guy has more TO's then Brooks if you will bash Brooks then Bash Archie. Archie Manning threw 48 more Ints then TD's Brooks threw 31 More TD's then Ints Archie also had his share of fumbles dont blame his poor preformance on a bad team he was under center. Brooks only had 1 bad season via Katrina.
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06-07-2010, 03:50 PM	#2
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day? Originally Posted by VillainAgain Players get into their respective HOF's because they had great statistical careers Brooks had such is #2 in the Saints Record books so he should get in because he had a great career. Archie Manning wasnt half as good as the media portrays the guy has more TO's then Brooks if you will bash Brooks then Bash Archie. Archie Manning threw 48 more Ints then TD's Brooks threw 31 More TD's then Ints Archie also had his share of fumbles dont blame his poor preformance on a bad team he was under center. Brooks only had 1 bad season via Katrina. There is a STRONG bias against Brooks - fueled in large part by the fact the Jake Delhomme was on the roster at the time. There isn't much in the arguments against Brooks that can't be successfully countered, but there are those that simply hate the guy "because he smiled after a bad play" or whatever. Brooks is smarter than half the guys bashing him and more athletic than the other half. He held his head up through it all though. He was a good QB here, and it's sad there are so many people that can't (or won't) see that.
	C'mon Man...

06-07-2010, 04:33 PM	#3
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day? Originally Posted by saintfan There is a STRONG bias against Brooks - fueled in large part by the fact the Jake Delhomme was on the roster at the time. There isn't much in the arguments against Brooks that can't be successfully countered, but there are those that simply hate the guy "because he smiled after a bad play" or whatever. Brooks is smarter than half the guys bashing him and more athletic than the other half. He held his head up through it all though. He was a good QB here, and it's sad there are so many people that can't (or won't) see that. ^ THIS

06-07-2010, 04:44 PM	#4
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day? Originally Posted by saintfan There is a STRONG bias against Brooks - fueled in large part by the fact the Jake Delhomme was on the roster at the time. There isn't much in the arguments against Brooks that can't be successfully countered, but there are those that simply hate the guy "because he smiled after a bad play" or whatever. Brooks is smarter than half the guys bashing him and more athletic than the other half. He held his head up through it all though. He was a good QB here, and it's sad there are so many people that can't (or won't) see that. You know me SF magnet for controversy..but i can remember a lot of racial hatred for Brooks from some saints fans and it made me sick...

06-07-2010, 05:20 PM	#6
SAINT_MICHAEL 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 446	Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day? Originally Posted by saintfan There is a STRONG bias against Brooks - fueled in large part by the fact the Jake Delhomme was on the roster at the time. There isn't much in the arguments against Brooks that can't be successfully countered, but there are those that simply hate the guy "because he smiled after a bad play" or whatever. Brooks is smarter than half the guys bashing him and more athletic than the other half. He held his head up through it all though. He was a good QB here, and it's sad there are so many people that can't (or won't) see that. I think you are reading too much into this. This thread isn't about weather he was a good QB or weather he should have started over Delhome or not. It's about weather he deserves to be in a Hall of Fame, which is a subjective matter. The all time hit king is not in the baseball hall of fame, so obviously having stats is not enough to ensure you will make your sports/teams HOF. Now I'm not comparing Rose and why he is out vs why I think Brooks is out, so don't go off and blast me on that. I'm just saying that because the guy is our second leading passer in many catagories it a) doesn't mean he deserves it and b) just because I don't think he is HOF worthy doesn't mean I don't appreciate his quality of play for us and/or I have a bias against him. I think far too many players are in their respective sport's HOFs as it is. I just tend to think it should be more of an honor than that. Sure, you can't be in a HOF if you did not put up stats. But, to me, you can't be in there if you did not display the drive/desire/passion/fire/ or whatever you want to call it that makes a HOF caliber player be the best player they can be. In short I can't think of a current HOF player that did not strive as hard as they could on the field (and most of the time off the field as well) to win a game. There is no way you will convince me that Brooks had that quality as an NFL player from his demeanor and actions. To me, the fact that he is our second leading passer simply means that we had a bunce of poor passing QBs in our history.
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06-07-2010, 05:52 PM	#7
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day? Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL It's about weather he deserves to be in a Hall of Fame, which is a subjective matter. The all time hit king is not in the baseball hall of fame, so obviously having stats is not enough to ensure you will make your sports/teams HOF. Well, it's another thread entirely, but Pete Rose should be in Baseball's HOF - there are many worse characters in that hall. Notwithstanding that, when they accuse Brooks of betting on games let me know. Bottom line is the guy won our first ever playoff game and prior to that lit it up in a way we had never seen, and he has the numbers - and he did it with a crappy defense, a questionable O line, average Wr's (with an exception) and questionable coaching. He shouldn't be barred from the Saints HOF because of some over-zealous Delhomme fans didn't like that he smiled instead of whined.
	C'mon Man... Last edited by saintfan; 06-07-2010 at 05:56 PM..

06-07-2010, 06:20 PM	#8
SAINT_MICHAEL 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 446	Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day? Originally Posted by saintfan Well, it's another thread entirely, but Pete Rose should be in Baseball's HOF - there are many worse characters in that hall. Notwithstanding that, when they accuse Brooks of betting on games let me know. Way to ignore the line I wrote right after this statement and miss my point entirely. It was again HIS STATS DON"T GUARENTEE ANYTHING Originally Posted by saintfan Bottom line is the guy won our first ever playoff game and prior to that lit it up in a way we had never seen, and he has the numbers - and he did it with a crappy defense, a questionable O line, average Wr's (with an exception) and questionable coaching. He shouldn't be barred from the Saints HOF because of some over-zealous Delhomme fans didn't like that he smiled instead of whined. No, that's not the bottom line. Every guy that started that playoff game should be in our HOF then because they were part of that win too. Hell Haslet should be in then for coaching us to our first ever playoff victory too. You are way overstating things with your remarks and making it sound like Brooks was the only decent player on our squad. You are also conveniently forgetting the missed passes, bonehead plays, and casual effort he brought to the football field. Why you keep bringing Delhomme into this is as puzzling as the way Hint of Logic brings Bush into everything. Let me ask a simple yes or no question and see if you can give a simple yes or no answer….do you think Brooks gave 100 % effort to win games and be the best football player he could be when he was with the Saints?
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06-07-2010, 06:29 PM	#9
strato Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: "Little Ole Town in Tejas" Posts: 7,586	Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day? Originally Posted by SAINT_MICHAEL Way to ignore the line I wrote right after this statement and miss my point entirely. It was again HIS STATS DON"T GUARENTEE ANYTHING No, that's not the bottom line. Every guy that started that playoff game should be in our HOF then because they were part of that win too. Hell Haslet should be in then for coaching us to our first ever playoff victory too. You are way overstating things with your remarks and making it sound like Brooks was the only decent player on our squad. You are also conveniently forgetting the missed passes, bonehead plays, and casual effort he brought to the football field. Why you keep bringing Delhomme into this is as puzzling as the way Hint of Logic brings Bush into everything. Let me ask a simple yes or no question and see if you can give a simple yes or no answer….do you think Brooks gave 100 % effort to win games and be the best football player he could be when he was with the Saints? Lol..i know that day when we won that playoff game i wasa very happy Saints fan...and Brooks was a part of it..if thats what your referencing..lol

06-07-2010, 06:44 PM	#10
SAINT_MICHAEL 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 446	Re: Should Aaron Brooks make the Saints Hall of Fame one day? Originally Posted by strato Lol..i know that day when we won that playoff game i wasa very happy Saints fan...and Brooks was a part of it..if thats what your referencing..lol It was, up to that point, my happiest time ever as a Saints fan as well. And Brooks was defenitely a part of it. But lots of guys were. We had a 1,000 yard rusher that year. Our defense was ranked in the top 10 in both points and yards. Don't tell me that everyone sucked and Brooks single handedly lead us to that win.
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