Board very Quiet after Win !!

BillytheSaint · 10-14-2003, 12:01 AM

When this team starts playing real football, shows some heart and the coaches start calling plays with some guile and we see some crisp execution, then we can start to get excited. But getting pumped up over beating a loser. Come on. Yes a win is a win but really, do we scare any team in the league. At this point I\'m sorry we\'re losing firs pick in the draft. Right now we are like a Ferrari with 2 flat tires and only one spare.

BTS (still pessimistic) :yltype: :yltype:

saintfan · 10-14-2003, 09:11 AM

Once again, nothin\' against Jake, but some of you people are givin\' Delhomme WAY too much credit. ESPN did a segment on the panthers last night and they NEVER MENTIONED HIS NAME! Why? Because he\'s had very little to do with things in Carolina. C\'mon folks and open your eyes. That team is a running machine with a very good defense. Jake\'s not bad, but Jake\'s not the reason they\'re 5-0 no matter how you slice it.

BillyCarpenter1 · 10-14-2003, 09:20 AM

Jake Delhomme = Trent Dilfer

JudeThaddeus · 10-14-2003, 09:25 AM

Jake Delhomme might not be the second coming. There is NO DENYING that he has LEAD his team to victory. From the very moment he was first placed in charge of their ofense, EVERYTHING turned around. That is what a leader does for you.

Notice that the Panthers just beat Indy. Indy controlled us in every facet, including our high-powered offense. Stats are fine, but the fact is before Delhomme started QBing for the Panthers they were struggling. After he was put there, they appear unstoppable. That\'s a stat, though it shows up in only one column. The wins.

JOESAM2002 · 10-14-2003, 10:28 AM

Panthers-----5-0
Saints--------2-4

Does it really matter who the quarterback is? We\'re supposed to have the best running game in the NFC (see last years stats). As good as Deuce is, he can\'t do it alone.

saintfan · 10-14-2003, 10:36 AM

I LIKE Jake, but Stephen Davis is the man in Carolina. Don\'t take my word for it, ask any Panthers fan.

Tell ya what. Leave Jake in the lineup and take Stephen Davis out of it and ask yourself if they\'re 5-0. Jake Delhomme has attempted the fewest passes in the league by a long shot for a reason people. Wake up and smell the gumbo already.

BillyCarpenter1 · 10-14-2003, 10:39 AM

Panthers-----5-0
Saints--------2-4

Does it really matter who the quarterback is? We\'re supposed to have the best running game in the NFC (see last years stats). As good as Deuce is, he can\'t do it alone.

Having a running game doesn\'t neccessarily mean that you will have a high scoring offense. Points usually come out of the passing game and so far that hasn\'t happened. Deuce should set up the passing game, but I still say that McCarthy isn\'t taking advantage of the receivers we have. I think the reason no one can pin point the problem to this player or that player is because McCarthy isn\'t putting ANYONE in the best position to succeed. And that includes Deuce. How many times have you seen Deuce run for a long run this year? Is this Deuce\'s fault? Nope. It\'s McCarthy\'s fault becuase he is allowing 8-men to stay in the box, because he will not spread the field out. Deuce has earned every yard he\'s gotten the hard way.

JOESAM2002 · 10-14-2003, 10:58 AM

Ok, let me try this again. I\'m not argueing the fact that McCarthy sucks. Frankly, I think the whole coaching staff sucks right now. However, I am saying that even if you had Jesus, himself coaching right now, this bunch of underachievers would make even him look bad. These guys have no will or heart to win or even play like professionals.

BillyCarpenter1 · 10-14-2003, 11:06 AM

Ok, let me try this again. I\'m not argueing the fact that McCarthy sucks. Frankly, I think the whole coaching staff sucks right now. However, I am saying that even if you had Jesus, himself coaching right now, this bunch of underachievers would make even him look bad. These guys have no will or heart to win or even play like professionals.

Joe -- I understood what you were saying. I don\'t think they don\'t have any heart. I think they don\'t have any confidence. These are the same players with the exact same HEARTS that we had on offense last year, that led the NFC in scoring. None of that has changed. What has changed is McCarthy\'s offensive scheme. I just have a hard time beleiving that the same players we had last year all of a sudden don\'t have any heart and that\'s the reason they are struggling!!

JudeThaddeus · 10-14-2003, 11:26 AM

Lest we forget, these are the same players that played the last four games last year. Before everyone has a stroke, I know that AB was injured and probably should not have been playing. However, he DID play and his passing was inaccurate (balls in the dirt-throwing way behind the receivers- sound familiar?) Until this time, we had all assumed that this erratic accuracy was the fault of the injury, as the AB we had seen earlier in the year did not seem to have that problem. Perhaps it would be more honest to say that we were more forgiving early in the year because we were winning.

Fast-foward to today. Passing still inaccurate=team still losing. Is AB still injured? Has his arm not recovered from the surgery? I don\'t think so. I believe that he is fully recovered and is playing just as he always did. The offense HAS changed.

I believe that we adopted a more west-coast style this year, which requires superior route-running and excellent accuracy, neither of which we appear to have. That is most definitely a coaching decision and a bad one. However, considering our repeated late-season collapses I can\'t blame them for wanting to establish something a little more reliable than depending on getting that big play. We led the league in big plays last year, and when they didn\'t come through - we lost.

If I am the coach, I MUST look for a way to make my offense move the ball and SCORE reliably. It seems we are having a lot of trouble getting there with our current coaching and players. We can\'t play ball control and grind it out because other teams don\'t respect our passing ability and our O-line is not up to snuff. We can\'t play west coast, because our receivers are not running perfect routes and our QB is not reliably accurate. That leaves us with the only apparent choice which is to air it out a lot and keep going for the big play. This may win us some games (on the days the ball bounces our way), but will lead to the late season collapses when the big plays dry up because the rust has finally worked itself off of the defenders.

Solution: Replace players.

This requires the coaching staff to decide on a route. Do we go West Coast? If so, AB has to go, probably Horn as well. Maybe Stallworth can be taught but his cutting ability is so poor, I am not sure he can ever run a good route. His strength is speed.

Should we go for the grind? If so, we MUST revamp the O-line. We need to start looking for beligerent, angry men (like Turley and not like Gandy), who want to attack the defense, not merely defend the QB.

Sounds simple? Yes, it does. But it takes a vision of what you want the team to be, and the strength and wisdom to make the vision come true. Can our coaches do that?

Solution: Replace the coaches.

10-14-2003, 12:01 AM	#31
BillytheSaint Rookie Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 19	Board very Quiet after Win !! When this team starts playing real football, shows some heart and the coaches start calling plays with some guile and we see some crisp execution, then we can start to get excited. But getting pumped up over beating a loser. Come on. Yes a win is a win but really, do we scare any team in the league. At this point I\'m sorry we\'re losing firs pick in the draft. Right now we are like a Ferrari with 2 flat tires and only one spare. BTS (still pessimistic) :yltype: :yltype:
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10-14-2003, 09:11 AM	#32
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Board very Quiet after Win !! Once again, nothin\' against Jake, but some of you people are givin\' Delhomme WAY too much credit. ESPN did a segment on the panthers last night and they NEVER MENTIONED HIS NAME! Why? Because he\'s had very little to do with things in Carolina. C\'mon folks and open your eyes. That team is a running machine with a very good defense. Jake\'s not bad, but Jake\'s not the reason they\'re 5-0 no matter how you slice it.

10-14-2003, 09:20 AM	#33
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Board very Quiet after Win !! Jake Delhomme = Trent Dilfer
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10-14-2003, 09:25 AM	#34
JudeThaddeus Registered Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 53	Board very Quiet after Win !! Jake Delhomme might not be the second coming. There is NO DENYING that he has LEAD his team to victory. From the very moment he was first placed in charge of their ofense, EVERYTHING turned around. That is what a leader does for you. Notice that the Panthers just beat Indy. Indy controlled us in every facet, including our high-powered offense. Stats are fine, but the fact is before Delhomme started QBing for the Panthers they were struggling. After he was put there, they appear unstoppable. That\'s a stat, though it shows up in only one column. The wins.
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10-14-2003, 10:28 AM	#35
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Board very Quiet after Win !! Panthers-----5-0 Saints--------2-4 Does it really matter who the quarterback is? We\'re supposed to have the best running game in the NFC (see last years stats). As good as Deuce is, he can\'t do it alone.

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10-14-2003, 10:36 AM	#36
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Board very Quiet after Win !! I LIKE Jake, but Stephen Davis is the man in Carolina. Don\'t take my word for it, ask any Panthers fan. Tell ya what. Leave Jake in the lineup and take Stephen Davis out of it and ask yourself if they\'re 5-0. Jake Delhomme has attempted the fewest passes in the league by a long shot for a reason people. Wake up and smell the gumbo already.

10-14-2003, 10:39 AM	#37
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Board very Quiet after Win !! Panthers-----5-0 Saints--------2-4 Does it really matter who the quarterback is? We\'re supposed to have the best running game in the NFC (see last years stats). As good as Deuce is, he can\'t do it alone. Having a running game doesn\'t neccessarily mean that you will have a high scoring offense. Points usually come out of the passing game and so far that hasn\'t happened. Deuce should set up the passing game, but I still say that McCarthy isn\'t taking advantage of the receivers we have. I think the reason no one can pin point the problem to this player or that player is because McCarthy isn\'t putting ANYONE in the best position to succeed. And that includes Deuce. How many times have you seen Deuce run for a long run this year? Is this Deuce\'s fault? Nope. It\'s McCarthy\'s fault becuase he is allowing 8-men to stay in the box, because he will not spread the field out. Deuce has earned every yard he\'s gotten the hard way.
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10-14-2003, 10:58 AM	#38
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Board very Quiet after Win !! Ok, let me try this again. I\'m not argueing the fact that McCarthy sucks. Frankly, I think the whole coaching staff sucks right now. However, I am saying that even if you had Jesus, himself coaching right now, this bunch of underachievers would make even him look bad. These guys have no will or heart to win or even play like professionals.

10-14-2003, 11:06 AM	#39
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Board very Quiet after Win !! Ok, let me try this again. I\'m not argueing the fact that McCarthy sucks. Frankly, I think the whole coaching staff sucks right now. However, I am saying that even if you had Jesus, himself coaching right now, this bunch of underachievers would make even him look bad. These guys have no will or heart to win or even play like professionals. Joe -- I understood what you were saying. I don\'t think they don\'t have any heart. I think they don\'t have any confidence. These are the same players with the exact same HEARTS that we had on offense last year, that led the NFC in scoring. None of that has changed. What has changed is McCarthy\'s offensive scheme. I just have a hard time beleiving that the same players we had last year all of a sudden don\'t have any heart and that\'s the reason they are struggling!!
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10-14-2003, 11:26 AM	#40
JudeThaddeus Registered Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 53	Board very Quiet after Win !! Lest we forget, these are the same players that played the last four games last year. Before everyone has a stroke, I know that AB was injured and probably should not have been playing. However, he DID play and his passing was inaccurate (balls in the dirt-throwing way behind the receivers- sound familiar?) Until this time, we had all assumed that this erratic accuracy was the fault of the injury, as the AB we had seen earlier in the year did not seem to have that problem. Perhaps it would be more honest to say that we were more forgiving early in the year because we were winning. Fast-foward to today. Passing still inaccurate=team still losing. Is AB still injured? Has his arm not recovered from the surgery? I don\'t think so. I believe that he is fully recovered and is playing just as he always did. The offense HAS changed. I believe that we adopted a more west-coast style this year, which requires superior route-running and excellent accuracy, neither of which we appear to have. That is most definitely a coaching decision and a bad one. However, considering our repeated late-season collapses I can\'t blame them for wanting to establish something a little more reliable than depending on getting that big play. We led the league in big plays last year, and when they didn\'t come through - we lost. If I am the coach, I MUST look for a way to make my offense move the ball and SCORE reliably. It seems we are having a lot of trouble getting there with our current coaching and players. We can\'t play ball control and grind it out because other teams don\'t respect our passing ability and our O-line is not up to snuff. We can\'t play west coast, because our receivers are not running perfect routes and our QB is not reliably accurate. That leaves us with the only apparent choice which is to air it out a lot and keep going for the big play. This may win us some games (on the days the ball bounces our way), but will lead to the late season collapses when the big plays dry up because the rust has finally worked itself off of the defenders. Solution: Replace players. This requires the coaching staff to decide on a route. Do we go West Coast? If so, AB has to go, probably Horn as well. Maybe Stallworth can be taught but his cutting ability is so poor, I am not sure he can ever run a good route. His strength is speed. Should we go for the grind? If so, we MUST revamp the O-line. We need to start looking for beligerent, angry men (like Turley and not like Gandy), who want to attack the defense, not merely defend the QB. Sounds simple? Yes, it does. But it takes a vision of what you want the team to be, and the strength and wisdom to make the vision come true. Can our coaches do that? Solution: Replace the coaches.
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